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The key is whether the post or comment has good will or not.
No personal insults rule seems to be sufficient.
they can just block the user
The next level is to unify against our owners.
I suspect that if this new rule is implemented, the site will turn into a complete echo-chamber.
People just divided into sides and the vitriol kept growing.
eople who disagree with the MSM narrative of !RACISM! are definitely being censored and I was happy to make a place for those people to go, but that's only one level of resistance to being trapped and exploited by our owners.
The next level is to unify against our owners. We are deliberately being divided by the media so that we cannot possibly threaten the unethical business and lobbying practices of oligarchs.
Anyhow, you can only really learn when somebody points out you're wrong and then takes the time to explain how you're wrong.
Inflammatory
Personal insult
False information
Vulgar
richwicks saysFalse information
that is a slippery slope.
Does this mean I cannot mock anyone for spelling and factual errors?
I agree. It's hard to admit you're wrong, kind of humiliating. But one should actually thank anyone who took the time to prove them wrong in a civil way.
Well it turns out that girl is lying. She was the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador. Her testimony is false and she was given acting lessons by Hill and Knowlton, a "PR" firm (read propaganda).
There's very little possibility that nobody in the intelligence agencies knew who she was, and unlikely that most of congress didn't quickly become aware of her true identity. That was propaganda not produced for congress, but for us. It's my favorite example of how the government lies to the population and it underscores just how long blatant dishonesty is used to trick the American population into supporting a war.
Part of the problem is the trollish behavior. The repetitiveness without context or content of meaningful value. "Well I'm X party, but cops are bad and racist."
The affect would be to promote reading that both sides like. Think about it. Although, I'm pretty sure right wingers outnumber lefties, and also probably more alt accounts of right wingers, so the downside is it could make the site more of a Trump Cult hangout.
what if every time someone posted a link to an article (or editorial ) they liked, in a "new post" it went to a list somewhere, and people could upvote or down vote the artcle (one vote per person), on that list. Maybe some other way members could get an article moved up, if they really thought it was good and important.
Trump Cult
How can you simultaneously have civility with freedom to offend ? I thought both would be incompatible or mutually exclusive.
Some view the freedom to offend as being uncivil if not racist or "pro-Fascist". It just seems like you will have an arbitrary label as what is civil and uncivil.
Everybody is on board for promoting a war - even "liberal" NY Times..
And you're right, these are the very ideas that will instantly be labelled racist or pro-fascist. The MSM labels all opposition to illegal immigration as "racist" every day, no matter how carefully reasoned or politely expressed.
This level of America seems to all be tied into war profiteering at some level.
So pro-war is not so surprising.
Lacks good will
Oligarchy keeps winning by keeping us from activism, divided.
marcus saysTrump Cult
That's the kind of phrase I'm hoping to remove from the site. Lacks good will, stops all debate dead in its tracks. "Libtard" is about the same from the other side.
Freedom is not always civil. Don’t know if it’ll work.
I don't think those are equivalent
If we start color coding everything, hiding posts under warnings
Oligarchy keeps winning by keeping us from activism, divided.
Allow downvotes in two modes:
So Freedom has been removed from the theme.
hiding posts under warnings, or deleting posts because of nebulous "good will", then site will change for worse, I think.
the problem when about half of people are for civil discourse and the other half is win by any means, it doesn't end well for the civil discourse folks.
covid_shmovid sayswhat kind of "activism" you propose we do together, united?Whatever it takes.
2) the downvotes only count if there's a response from the person who downvoted it.
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So no more pictures of Trump as an insane clown or talk of his being raped by Putin. That does not address his policies specifically and helps nothing. It just divides us.
And no more phrases like "liberals". That immediately eliminates the possibility of a liberal wanting to have a polite discussion of his point of view here. Again, it just divides us.
We need unity, not more division. E pluribus unum.
I'm just going to flag posts and comments I find to be stirring up hate and division. Don't worry, you'll know what that means, and the author will be able to click the "edit" button to see just what it was that got the post or comment flagged. It will be clear and fair.
Yes, it's a kind of censorship, but my hope is that it will make this site more useful to people of good will who really want to understand their fellow citizens and improve life. While the MSM routinely censors "offensive" ideas like the Red Pill theory, or our innate differences by sex and race, I'm not going to do that. All ideas are still open for discussion in a civil manner. The tag-line "Freedom to Offend" was not being understood as I intended. It seemed to be generating posts that were deliberately and angrily offensive.
Sorry if it seems like the food-fight is over. Everyone is still very welcome to have their say, just treat others as you would wish to be treated, including other political parties and public figures, and you'll still be able to make any point you want.