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The best case against Trump


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2018 Oct 7, 9:58am   20,034 views  210 comments

by CBOEtrader   ➕follow (4)   💰tip   ignore  

I want to hear why a clear thinking adult would be anti-Trump.

What is your most well-reasoned anti-Trump argument? If you think he's a liar, please post the video. Or if you disagree with legislation he pioneered or executive orders, please post a link and reasoning.

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99   CBOEtrader   2018 Oct 7, 7:38pm  

LeonDurham says
Why isn't he doing so??


Wait until the investigation into the leaking is over. He may still sue.
100   LeonDurham   2018 Oct 7, 7:39pm  

CBOEtrader says

Wait until the investigation into the leaking is over. He may still sue.


I'm sure. Just like all the people Trump was going to sue...
101   CBOEtrader   2018 Oct 7, 7:42pm  

LeonDurham says
In any event--if a businessman was looking to hire an office manager and 3 people came forward to tell him that the candidate had assaulted them, I guarantee 99% of owners would not hire the candidate,


Yeah you don't get $1million cash control over the SCOTUS for faking an allegation against a $50k/yr office manager.

The democrats havent sworn $billions of capital against #resist of the $50k/yr office manager.

With the facts coming out, only a biased fool can still pretend this entire story wasnt fabricated for political control.

Anyone still pretending Ford's accusation is "credible"? Haha
102   LeonDurham   2018 Oct 7, 7:43pm  

CBOEtrader says

Anyone still pretending Ford's accusation is "credible"? Haha


Is anyone pretending it's not credible? Trump said credible. Pretty much the entire US Senate said credible.

Can you point out someone who said not credible?
103   CBOEtrader   2018 Oct 7, 7:45pm  

rdm says
I have seen no real evidence that Kim is dismantling his nukes, or intends to do so, which is the base demand.


Have you seen any evidence ok Kim threatening to blow up Hawaii? Compare this winter this last year and tell me Kim isnt compliant. GTFO if you cant appreciate how much safer Trump has made the world
104   LeonDurham   2018 Oct 7, 7:46pm  

CBOEtrader says
Have you seen any evidence ok Kim threatening to blow up Hawaii? Compare this winter this last year and tell me Kim isnt compliant. GTFO if you cant appreciate how much safer Trump has made the world


lol--so Trump's accomplishment is giving up wargames in Korea in return for Kim not making blowhard statements about blowing up Hawaii?

Art of the Deal, indeed.
105   Shaman   2018 Oct 7, 7:48pm  

“If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong; Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the Lord, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days; And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother; Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you. And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil among you.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭19:16-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Falsely accusing people is a crime that used to be punished with the same sentence that would have been imposed on the accused.
It still should be.
We’d see a lot fewer malicious acts of allegation.
106   CBOEtrader   2018 Oct 7, 7:48pm  

LeonDurham says
Can you point out someone who said not credible?


Everyone who has seen the most recent evidence, including the sex investigators professional analysis and the FBI report. Not to mention the results of the pending investigation of Fords DNC handlers.

How many times do you have to be wrong before realizing your reality is a lie?
107   LeonDurham   2018 Oct 7, 7:49pm  

CBOEtrader says

Everyone who has seen the most recent evidence, including the sex investigators professional analysis and the FBI report


OK can you show me a quote then?

CBOEtrader says
How many times do you have to be wrong before realizing your reality is a lie?


If you can get to 1, then I'll evaluate.
108   LeonDurham   2018 Oct 7, 7:52pm  

https://ktla.com/2018/09/28/trump-stands-by-kavanaugh-nomination-but-says-he-found-ford-very-credible-as-fbi-probe-is-ordered/

"The president told reporters that Christine Blasey Ford "was a very credible witness" but also that Kavanaugh's own testimony on Thursday before the Senate Judiciary Committee was "an incredible moment."

Even Fox News called her credible FFS

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6216025/Fox-News-says-Dr-Christine-Blasey-Ford-credible-testimony-disaster-Republicans.html
109   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2018 Oct 7, 7:53pm  

The only thing left has against Trump is that he "says mean things". He's a straight shooter, I'll give him that, not a PC type. Left needs someone to tell them they are special every day in every way.

On flip side, he gets everything done. Economy booming, taxes lowered, man knows how to get it going.
111   LeonDurham   2018 Oct 7, 7:55pm  

FortWayneIndiana says
The only thing left has against Trump is that he "says mean things". He's a straight shooter, I'll give him that, not a PC type. Left needs someone to tell them they are special every day in every way.


Bullshit. Did you read this thread? I've listed many things that he's made worse and none of them are him being mean. I don't give a crap about him being mean.
112   LeonDurham   2018 Oct 7, 7:56pm  

FortWayneIndiana says
Enjoy the whole thing, report is right on the page too.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/judiciary-committee-releases-executive-summary-of-supplemental-fbi-report-on-kavanaugh


Thanks--pretty much proves my point. Nowhere does it claim that Ford is not credible.
113   anonymous   2018 Oct 7, 7:58pm  

LeonDurham - you should read the book entitled "The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas are Setting up a Generation for Failure". This could really change your life if you keep an open mind.

In fact, I highly recommend this book to everyone. This is the reason the Left is so triggered by someone like Trump.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/
114   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2018 Oct 7, 8:04pm  

LeonDurham says
FortWayneIndiana says
Enjoy the whole thing, report is right on the page too.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/judiciary-committee-releases-executive-summary-of-supplemental-fbi-report-on-kavanaugh


Thanks--pretty much proves my point. Nowhere does it claim that Ford is not credible.


I hope I didn't give you a false impression that I care what you think. You've said long ago that you hate Republicans and made your mind up, you are not a man of reason, you don't care for reason. Just another liberal drone.

I know you didn't read it, because you replied faster than it would have taken you to read the executive summary.
115   RWSGFY   2018 Oct 7, 8:04pm  

His pubic hair is orange (allegedly)!
116   RC2006   2018 Oct 7, 8:14pm  

Trump is bad because it was a woman's turn, its almost as bad as the new Dr Who. Why couldn't somebody like Trump save Dr Who :(.
117   CBOEtrader   2018 Oct 7, 8:23pm  

PrivilegedtobeWhite says
LeonDurham - you should read the book entitled "The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas are Setting up a Generation for Failure". This could really change your life if you keep an open mind.

In fact, I highly recommend this book to everyone. This is the reason the Left is so triggered by someone like Trump.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/


Oh nice, Jonathan Haidt, a man who went from righteous leftist to libertarian after evaluating his righteous worldview. Perfect recommendation for Leon.

LeonDurham says
Nowhere does it claim that Ford is not credible.


LOL this guy is hilarious. Dude the article points out first hand sworn accounts of people previously intimate with Ford who contradict her story. Grassley all but states he expects more contradictions when Ford's lawyers finally share all the evidence he is demanding. He also directly accuses the lawyers of not believing Ford's story and purely using the situation as a political weapon.

^^ is this how you define credible? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
118   rdm   2018 Oct 7, 8:45pm  

CBOEtrader says
GTFO if you cant appreciate how much safer Trump has made the world


He first helps create the tension, you know "fire and fury, rocket man" rhetoric and then, "falls in love" sucks Kims dick in Hong Kong and in subsequent love letters, and the hostile rhetoric lessens, yes that is a good thing (not the dick sucking) but the bottom line, so to speak, is the strategic situation regarding the NK nukes is unchanged, Isnt it?

So NK as complaint no, as temporarily satiated with the appeasement of Trump giving Kim, a murderous dictator, a place of respect on the world's stage with China and Russia now more blatantly ignoring sanctions against NK, I will give you that.
119   MAGA   2018 Oct 7, 8:54pm  

Quigley says
Falsely accusing people is a crime that used to be punished with the same sentence that would have been imposed on the accused.
It still should be.
We’d see a lot fewer malicious acts of allegation.



Great idea.
120   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Oct 7, 10:27pm  

rdm says
I have seen no real evidence that Kim is dismantling his nukes, or intends to do so, which is the base demand


On the denuclearization committed to at the leaders' first summit in Singapore, Kim told Pompeo that inspectors were invited to visit the Punggye-ri nuclear test site "to confirm that it has been irreversibly dismantled," according to a statement from spokeswoman Heather Nauert.



https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/N-Korea-at-crossroads/US-and-North-Korea-agree-to-second-summit-as-soon-as-possible2
121   CBOEtrader   2018 Oct 8, 8:25am  

That's a wrap. Trump is weaker on environmental regulations in favor of economic expansion.

^^ other than that I didn't see a legit criticism of our favorite POTUS.

Keep America great in 2020 all but guaranteed
122   rdm   2018 Oct 8, 8:59am  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Kim told Pompeo that inspectors were invited to visit the Punggye-ri nuclear test site "to confirm that it has been irreversibly dismantled,"


Has that happened? I have not heard that it has been followed through. But let's say it will be, you do realize that that particular site had been so degraded by multiple nuke tests that it was collapsing, had killed many people and had to abandoned? So allowing verification of a site you are already abandoning for safety reasons is almost meaningless, I certainly wouldn't want to be one of the inspectors on that gig. When they start allowing (and it really happens) unannounced inspection of active facilities to verify the dismantlement of their nukes then I will kiss the ring on Trump's tiny finger.
123   CBOEtrader   2018 Oct 8, 12:29pm  

Did you write this sentence with an anti-trump mad lib?

Pure rhetoric without a cohesive thought, or any actual meaning whatsoever.
124   Strategist   2018 Oct 8, 12:54pm  

LeonDurham says
CBOEtrader says
Have you seen any evidence ok Kim threatening to blow up Hawaii? Compare this winter this last year and tell me Kim isnt compliant. GTFO if you cant appreciate how much safer Trump has made the world


lol--so Trump's accomplishment is giving up wargames in Korea in return for Kim not making blowhard statements about blowing up Hawaii?


To anti Trump people,
Do you feel we were safer at the end of Obama's Presidency as opposed to the start of his Presidency?
125   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Oct 8, 1:08pm  

rdm says
Has that happened?


Was this even discussed under Bush or Obama? NOPE.

Progress.
126   CBOEtrader   2018 Oct 8, 3:09pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
rdm says
Has that happened?


Was this even discussed under Bush or Obama? NOPE.

Progress.


https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1049149205254737922

Something is happening.
127   Strategist   2018 Oct 8, 3:42pm  

CBOEtrader says
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1049149205254737922

Something is happening.


It's called progress towards a 100% dismantling of nukes.
You can come out from under the bed Obama. It's getting safer.
128   rdm   2018 Oct 8, 4:18pm  

Strategist says
It's called progress towards a 100% dismantling of nukes.


So dismantling a testing facility that was crumbling to the point it had killed some of NK's scientists and had to be abandoned regardless of any agreement; this is progress that Trump has brought by elevating a fat murderous dictator to the level of a world leader and ham stringing the sanctions regime? Yes, being in love is a many splendored thing. But without love, this requires suspension of disbelief, but if it makes you "feel" safe and happy; good night, sweet dreams, it will all be over soon enough; Uncle Donnie will be by to kiss you goodnight and you know he loves all his sycophants almost as much as Kim.
129   Strategist   2018 Oct 8, 4:26pm  

rdm says
Strategist says
It's called progress towards a 100% dismantling of nukes.


So dismantling a testing facility that was crumbling to the point it had killed some of NK's scientists and had to be abandoned regardless of any agreement; this is progress that Trump has brought by elevating a fat murderous dictator to the level of a world leader and ham stringing the sanctions regime?


Allowing any inspection is progress.
If Donald and Kim really fall in love, it will be the greatest love story ever told.
130   LastMan   2018 Oct 8, 4:50pm  

CBOEtrader says
I want to hear why a clear thinking adult would be anti-Trump.


He cut taxes without cutting spending first. In fact, he's on a spending binge.

https://www.downsizinggovernment.org/dems-take-gop-and-future-generations-cleaners

"The 2,232-page omnibus spending deal signed into law last week threw fiscal sanity out the window. While entitlement spending has continued to grow, the relative restraint in discretionary spending had provided hope that federal budget control was possible.

But that hope is now dashed under this president and Congress. The omnibus hiked discretionary spending 13 percent in a single year, while scraping the budget caps that were the singular achievement of reformers after the landmark 2010 election.

President Trump included substantial cuts in his recent budget, but signing the omnibus made a joke of his own proposals for fiscal restraint.

The GOP’s discretionary budget actions and the relentless rise of health care and retirement spending have put the budget on a catastrophic course.

Projections by the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget show that, without reforms, deficits will top $1 trillion next year and $2.4 trillion by 2028, and continue growing after that."
131   LeonDurham   2018 Oct 8, 5:10pm  

TrumpingTits says
Yes but what we all saw on TV was a trial and not a job interview.


Nope--he wasn't going to jail no matter what happened. Worst case was he didn't become a Supreme Court Justice.

That's a job interview.
132   LeonDurham   2018 Oct 8, 5:12pm  

PrivilegedtobeWhite says
LeonDurham - you should read the book entitled "The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas are Setting up a Generation for Failure". This could really change your life if you keep an open mind.


Interesting, but fail to see how it will change my life.
133   LeonDurham   2018 Oct 8, 5:16pm  

CBOEtrader says
LOL this guy is hilarious. Dude the article points out first hand sworn accounts of people previously intimate with Ford who contradict her story. Grassley all but states he expects more contradictions when Ford's lawyers finally share all the evidence he is demanding. He also directly accuses the lawyers of not believing Ford's story and purely using the situation as a political weapon.

^^ is this how you define credible? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.


Nope. That's a lie. It points out first hand sworn accounts that don't corroborate Ford. That's a BIG difference from contradicting.

The fact that you have to exaggerate and outright lie about it says everything that needs to be said.
134   LeonDurham   2018 Oct 8, 5:18pm  

CBOEtrader says
That's a wrap. Trump is weaker on environmental regulations in favor of economic expansion.


Did you miss the part about his shitty tax plan? Or did you purposely ignore it?
135   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Oct 8, 5:53pm  

I love the SNAP Food Box, what a great idea. This way we make sure kids get good food and not just Chips and Mac n' Cheese from Shanaynay and Luanne

Libbies love Farm Boxes too, they are always signing up for them at the Farmer's Market.
136   LeonDurham   2018 Oct 8, 5:57pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
This way we make sure kids get good food and not just Chips and Mac n' Cheese from Shanaynay and Luanne


How could anyone think Trump supporters are racist?
137   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Oct 8, 6:39pm  

LeonDurham says
How could anyone think Trump supporters are racist?



You ever meet a black chick named Luanne?
138   LeonDurham   2018 Oct 8, 6:41pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

You ever meet a black chick named Luanne?


I've never met anyone named luanne

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