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How many non-MC, non-Visa bank cards do you own?
Free Speech is an American principle and courts HAVE identified political contributions as a form of free speech.
Powerful Financial Institutions shouldn't be prohibiting their users from exercising their free speech, it's Un-American.
Do you think Banks should be legally able to refuse to pay checks written to political organizations that pressure groups don't like?
Right, Standard Oil didn't control 90% of the oil market, oil consumers "chose" Standard Oil. ;)
The real hypocrisy is on the side of the Modern Hard Left: Mr. Small Fry, you must Bake the Cake though there are scores of equivalently sized businesses like yours nearby, but I the Massive Conglomerate to whom there is no equivalent alternative, can refuse to process your donation (even though I'm the middle man and neither the source nor destination, the provider or payer, in the transaction).
So if it was Little Debbies, you'd say they should be required to bake the cake then? What's the cutoff to where Big Brother gets to decide how you must run your business?
Do you need a nanny state to tell companies how to run their businesses??
I do have AE.
Banks are required by law to honor checks. They are not required by law to open accounts for everyone. Actually they are required by law to not open accounts for everyone who asks. Political organizations are free to use whatever bank is willing to do business with them. Banks are free to do business with the customers they choose to do business with. Didn't the supreme court just affirm that with the gay cake thing?
Damn right they did. Compared to whale oil and bees wax standard oils kerosene was a godsend.
The real hypocrisy is pretending there are no way to "process your donation". Donations got sent long before any of these institutions existed. You can still write a check and put in an envelope with a stamp the old fashioned way.
If these tech companies want to pick and choose the content - they might as well be honest and classify themselves as Publishers.
They can't have it both ways and pretend to be neutral and not be held to libel laws, but somehow all their algorithms and SJW monkey monitors seem to only block Conservative content.
There is no cut off. The same principal applies for every business. Funny how conservatives are such big believers in free markets, except when the free market does something they don't like.
bob2356 saysI do have AE.
Is AE a bank card?
I have never seen an AE bank card.
This is interesting. So a paper check is one thing, but using a check card to do the same thing is something else?
And yes, like Teddy Roosevelt I believe in regulating Trusts and Monopolies, along with enforcing US Values
If it walks like a duck and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck. So tell me how do you pay for dinner differently with AE card than with Visa card?
My "check card" aka debit card isn't Visa/MC logoed. Every bank has a plain old debit card. Not a requirement to take the visa/mc debit card, it's a choice. So if you CHOOSE to use the Visa/MC network which is a totally different private company from the bank then yes they can have their own rules. It's not the same thing to use a check as to use a visa/mc debit card. Checks don't go through the Visa/MC network. Want to keep on thrashing around trying to make 2+2 equal 5?
lol at "US Values". How ridiculous is it to assume that your values are US values? I can assure you that reciting an idiotic pledge in an act of fake patriotism is most assuredly NOT a US Value. The US was not founded on fake patriotism.
The US is certainly not centered around banks determining which payees they're going to prevent their customers from paying.
I want to hear why MC/VISA should be allowed to decide which legal US political organizations should or shouldn't be allowed to receive donations.
If we need a regulation to protect consumer freedom, so be it. That's the best kind of regulation, and what regulations should be about, to protect freedom and consumer rights to utilize a tool they pay for.
We're talking about normal processes, not finding ways "around" something.
I want to hear why MC/VISA should be allowed to decide which legal US political organizations should or shouldn't be allowed to receive donations.
Why that's an American thing to do, and why that isn't chilling for free speech, which is a national civic value.
We had it, but Trump and his cronies have gutted it and torn it to pieces.
Writing checks is a normal process and has been for 600 years. There are 28 million checks processed every day in the US. That's pretty normal in my world. Being too lazy to write a check and mail it isn't suppression of free speech.
Because they own the processing system and can decide who gets to use it It's not different from owning a bakery and deciding who to serve. The principal is exactly the same.. The post trump supreme court has spoken.
Private business being able to operate without government control beyond safety and fraud issues is an American thing. People are free to speak through their checkbook as easily as their visa card.
"OMG! If we don't have NET NEUTRALITY! The ISPs! Will charge us more money to access our FAVORITE WEBSITES! They may even promote certain providers over others! For example Bank of America might pay to be free and fast but Citigroup would run slower! "
"So? There are alternatives. Most Populated areas have multiple ISPs and where 90% of the population lives, there's a choice of 3G/4G Networks. You can always link your phone to your desktop with a hotspot."
"Not the same we need NET NEUTRALITY. So they don't slow down certain web content"
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"Google, Facebook, Youtube are censoring Conservatives and applying opaque conditions to content providers. They are promoting Snopes and Vox and CNN! And downplaying Washington Times, Breitbart, etc.!"
"HAHA! Private Companies, Suck it up Buttercup! Use the sites that have 1-2% of the user base like Minds.com or DuckDuckGo."
"Not the same! We need regulation so they don't compl...
Guess what--net neutrality is dead. So, again, the only hypocrites are Trump cultists.
Nope! The Net Neutrality people didn't want to hear about Reddit, Youtube, and Facebook bans and throttling WHEN Net Neutrality was being debated.
They want to ban /The Donald from Reddit and Infowars from Youtube. They just don't want ISPs to slow down Reddit or Youtube for them
What are you talking about? The net neutrality people cared about net neutrality--which as you say wasn't about restricting results from search engines. Yes, they were concerned about small businesses getting screwed by ISPs in favor of the big guys who could pay for faster speeds.
But they also used the "no censorship" argument.
They meant it to help Big Tech, but not for the Content Providers.
Net Neutrality was an Astroturf Movement for Big Tech to stop ISPs from charging for huge bandwidth use on a handful of powerful websites.
Okay, Grandpa. My wife makes fun of ME for getting cash at all at the ATM. She pays even for $3 shit with a card, and she's a year older than I am. The kids these days are like her. I think it's weird to pay for anything less than $20 bill with a card.
Hardly. A bakery has an identifiable owner and is limited by location. MC/Visa is not just statewide or nationwide but international.
And banks have no business banning customers from paying certain payees for non-business reasons (ie connected to fraud or too many chargebacks)
I think it's weird to pay for anything less than $20 bill with a card.
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David Horowitz is a NYT Best Selling Author, has been a public figure for decades.