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Feux Follets says

mell says

MAGA!

Agree - Morons Are Governing America.

Why don't you give DT some credit?! If this had happened under Obummer the media would lap it up and celebrate black history month for the rest of the year. Bu they the rayscyst orange cheeto in the office accomplished this so let's pretend it never happened.

Feux Follets says

Given our past honesty in this arena would you trust us ?

Shit, look what Hillary and Obama did to Ghaddafyi and Libya. That guy was grovelling before us since 9/11 and did anything we wanted, and nothing had changed.

Obama-Hillary got rid of him and now the place is a Jihadi battleground, in total chaos, and for the first time in decades, slavery is making an appearance.

http://time.com/5042560/libya-slave-trade/

North and South Korea didn't have a Summit in the past decade, also known as during much (if not all) of Obama's Presidency.

They just agreed to one.

The Independent , which is Neoliberal NeverTrump To The Max, is giving grudging acknowledgement of Trump's successes
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-resolve-north-korea-nuclear-crisis-where-barack-obama-failed-win-nobel-peace-prize-a8242731.html

Yes.
My reference to "starving" has nothing to do with food.
It has everything to do with increasing sanctions and matching kims rhetoric word for word.
Nobody ever said the sanctions crippled anything about nukes. Fake argument.
What they did do is force kim to change strategy and say shit to get everyone to the table.
Once there, Kim expects to extract handouts as always...problem for kim is, we actually have someone that wants to win at these talks and not push the shit down the road for another decade.

Feux Follets says

BlueSardine says

Still ya gotta give trump credit for starving the FatFucker

Nope - both of them look to be the same degree of chubby to me but ours may be gaining hence the new diet.

The sanctions didn't cripple anything about the Nuke program.

I expected nothing less from Kim Nutjob Ung.
This was his Dad's standard for getting scraps for his failed regime to stay in power. He would rattle a saber and make a lot of noise until the International Community gave him a pile of cash to shut him up.
There was no upside to Kim shooting off a Nuke.
In the meantime he was used by China or Russia as a proxy to test their latest Nukes, since they are part of treaties that said they wouldn't test them.
NK didn't have enough money to make a decent sandwich, of course those Nukes aren't theirs.

Feux Follets says

Look what Dubya did for the region

I didn't vote for Dubya.

Feux Follets says

. Only to be outdone by going to Afghanistan

Thank Goodness Obama corrected that mistake and... oh...

Feux Follets says

Gaddafi and Hussein were both useful to the moneyed interests of this country until they weren't willing to play along anymore so under the bus they went.

Gaddafi was groveling before us, Gaddafi was gotten rid of in the Neolib-con liberation theology tradition that said when you get rid of Secular Dictators, there's nothing worse that might arise.

Obama didn't learn shit from Iraq.

Feux Follets says

Our national interest ?

Well we kinda DO get a shitton of Oil from Saudi Arabia, so that is a valid excuse.

We do not, however, from Libya. That's Europe.

Have you come up with a reason why Obama-Hillary wanted Gaddafyi so badly? The destabilization of Assad didn't come a great time, either.

Feux Follets says

Go back in time - we meddled in Iran - didn't work out well.

Go back in time some more - who agreed to put U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia in the first place ? And the protection was for ?

Our national interest ?

Your point is well taken. Keep in mind we do not live in a world of bows and arrows anymore, but a world of very dangerous weapons and bad people who can go to any part of the world in mere hours, and slaughter us like insects. There are instances where we MUST meddle in other countries or face destruction.
Examples:
We did not meddle in Germany during the rise of Hitler, and 60 million people died.
We did not meddle in Afghanistan during the rise of Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban, and we ended up with 911.
We did not meddle in Pakistan when they were acquiring nukes, and we ended up with the "Islamic bomb" Lots of them.

Good thing we meddled in preventing other countries from getting the bomb from Pakistan.
Good thing we meddle in Iran to prevent them from getting nuclear weapons.
Good thing we meddle in North Korea to prevent them from getting nukes.

Nothing good can come from any country that wants nukes, getting them. We want a world without dangerous weapons, and for all countries to eventually give up their nukes. For that to happen we must first stop it's spread. Stopping the spread of nuclear weapons requires meddling.

Feux Follets says

TwoScoopsPlissken says

I didn't vote for Dubya.

Me either !

Was in a hotel room on a business trip and watched him bragging about his "political capital" on the night of his second win and how he was going to use it to do great things.

Good thing I had eaten dinner earlier in the evening or I would have lost it.

Neither did I. Trump's policies so far are far superior to W's, likely everybody can agree on that.

Strategist says

We did not meddle in Germany during the rise of Hitler, and 60 million people died.

We did Meddle in WW1, which allowed the French and British to demand of Germany total reparations which they would not have gotten otherwise (given there were mass mutinies by 1917), which resulted in the rise of Hitler in revenge.

Strategist says

Good thing we meddled in preventing other countries from getting the bomb from Pakistan.

Because we meddled to use our influence to stop India from wiping Pakistan from the face of the earth in the 1970s, and replacing that shitty country with some powerless statelets, Pakistan now has the bomb.

It's not about meddling or not meddling, it's about judging when the good outweighs the bad.

Strategist says

Obama strategy.....Please please please, cherry on top. Don't develop nukes. We are sorry. We will give you anything you want.
Trump strategy.......Fuck you asshole. Either you destroy those nukes, or we will destroy them for you, along with your regime.

And the winning strategy is............

South Korea.

No.
The sanctions were meant to stop or slow down nk nuclear development.
Nothing at this point will cripple it other than total capitulation by kFuck...

Feux Follets says

Fake argument ? What constitutes a genuine or real argument. Weren't the sanctions supposed to cripple the nuke program development

Considering all previous administrations pushed the can down the road....yes.

Feux Follets says

BlueSardine says

Kim expects to extract handouts as always...problem for kim is, we actually have someone that wants to win at these talks and not push the shit down the road for another decade.

Does this mean previous administration were not serious ?

HEYYOU says

More talky talk!
If they actually start talks it will take 20 years to come to a signed agreement?

Which is exactly what NK wants, and which is exactly what previous administrations gave them.
But now they are not dealing with nice guy Obama, who can easily be suckered. They are dealing with an asshole who has the Trump card. :)

bob2356 says

Strategist says

Obama strategy.....Please please please, cherry on top. Don't develop nukes. We are sorry. We will give you anything you want.
Trump strategy.......Fuck you asshole. Either you destroy those nukes, or we will destroy them for you, along with your regime.

And the winning strategy is............

South Korea.

They don't have a strategy. If it wasn't for the US, there would be no South Korea.

Feux Follets says

BlueSardine says

Kim expects to extract handouts as always...problem for kim is, we actually have someone that wants to win at these talks and not push the shit down the road for another decade.

Does this mean previous administration were not serious ? Political affiliation not a factor.

It means previous administrations had no balls, which is why they kicked the can down the street. Trump has the balls, which is why NK is bending over.

Previous administrations did not have to be serious considering Kim's limited capabilities.
Given Kim's imminent intercontinental capabilities we've run out of road to kick.
BlueSardine says

Does this mean previous administration were not serious ?

Strategist says

It means previous administrations had no balls, which is why they kicked the can down the street. Trump has the balls, which is why NK is bending over.

Oh, and Obama will jealously watch and learn, while Trump enjoys himself fucking Kim.

Nah, this is how this kind of regimes - NK, Russia, Iran, Saddam's Iraq etc. - play the West: they imitate willingness to talk and compromise, get some concessions out of it and then switch back to their usual behavior. Rinse, repeat.

Nothing will come out of it.

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

Nothing will come out of it.

You hope.

P N Dr Lo R says

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

Nothing will come out of it.

You hope.

Nope. Just being realistic.

McArthur should've been allowed to nuke the shit out of Commie fucks in '51. Talking to that scum is fucking pointless.

Strategist says

EYYOU says

More talky talk!
If they actually start talks it will take 20 years to come to a signed agreement?

Which is exactly what NK wants, and which is exactly what previous administrations gave them.
But now they are not dealing with nice guy Obama, who can easily be suckered. They are dealing with an asshole who has the Trump card. :)

ROFLOL. That would be our 5 time draft dodger?

Feux Follets says

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

Talking to that scum is fucking pointless

Perhaps that scum feels the same way but he is still playing with all 52 cards, not a few short of a full shuffle like someone else in the spotlight.

If you're talking about the Korean people - their is a clear and gross underestimation of their hatred and resolve not to quit especially where this country is concerned.

Spare me the Commie bullshit about "people" and their "resolve". It's well-known how this "resolve" is achieved: from treating the families of the soldiers as de-facto hostages to anti-retreat squads behind troops sent to attack enemy lines.

@Booger - next time try a picture of North Koreans instead of South Koreans gathering near city hall in Seoul and by the way those in the picture are in the minority.

The majority want the Dotard to stay the hell out of their country, their affairs - everything. They would also much prefer refueling stops in Japan instead of Incheon if at all possible.

That includes Pence, Pompeo anyone in the administration - the U.S. military they can deal with, but even that welcome is wearing thin.

The Dotard will cave - bigly - like you have never seen him cave before. It's going to be the mother of all caves and make the border wall cave look like a walk in the park.

http://patrick.net/post/1322447/2019-02-17-dearest-kim-please-just-don-t-test-your-nukes-missiles-everything-is-great-then-xxoo-the-dotard

Not to worry - Abe gave a recommendation for the Dotard to get a Nobel Piece Prize. No - I did not spell anything wrong. The letter of recommendation will prove to be just as bogus as the first two. See the next comment.

Japan's Abe nominated Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize — reportedly after the US asked him to

•After receiving a request from the U.S. government, Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe nominated U.S. President Donald Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize last autumn, the Asahi newspaper reported on Sunday.

•This report follows Trump's claim on Friday that Abe had nominated him for the Nobel Peace Prize for opening talks and easing tensions with North Korea.

•The Japanese leader had given him "the most beautiful copy" of a five-page nomination letter, Trump said at a White House news conference.

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe nominated U.S. President Donald Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize last autumn after receiving a request from the U.S. government to do so, the Asahi newspaper reported on Sunday.

The report follows Trump's claim on Friday that Abe had nominated him for the Nobel Peace Prize for opening talks and easing tensions with North Korea.

The Japanese leader had given him "the most beautiful copy" of a five-page nomination letter, Trump said at a White House news conference.

The U.S. government had sounded Abe out over the Nobel Peace Prize nomination after Trump's summit in June last year with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, the first meeting between a North Korean leader and a sitting U.S. president, the Asahi said, citing an unnamed Japanese government source.

A spokesman for Japan's Foreign Ministry in Tokyo said the ministry was aware of Trump's remarks, but "would refrain from commenting on the interaction between the two leaders."

The White House had no immediate comment when contacted by Reuters.

The Nobel Foundation's website says a nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize may be submitted by any person who meets the nomination criteria, which includes current heads of states. Under the foundation's rules, names and other information about unsuccessful nominations cannot be disclosed for 50 years.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/18/japans-abe-nominated-trump-for-nobel-peace-prize-on-us-request-asahi.html

Memes are not going to change the outcome.

A big beautiful photo op, probable signing of a "peace treaty" or "official end to the hostilities" and another round of photos followed by meaningless rhetoric but at the end of it all Kim walks away with even more stature on the world stage as a nuclear power recognized by the United States and he gets to keep his nukes as well.

However if my memory is correct - the over the top screaming on here was we would bomb them out of existence, they will give up the nukes asap because Kim is afraid of Trump etc. etc. not to mention that spiffy 4 and 5D chess Trump is playing with Kim and Xi Jinping that was going to outmaneuver both Kim and Xi.

Not seeing Kim and Xi outmaneuvered at all but the U.S. sure has.

Memes won the last election.

Kakistocracy says

Not seeing Kim and Xi outmaneuvered at all but the U.S. sure has.

Sure, that's why China offered the huge Soybean buy.

US Tariffs are an existential threat to China.

MisterLearnToCode says

Memes won the last election.

Not going to win with Kim and Xi

Xi is in the long game, so is Kim - Trump is in the short game.

These guys can afford to play around and with Trump - he will not be president forever

Already posted that what they are buying is part of last years crop that is in storage

Kakistocracy says

Already posted that what they are buying is part of last years crop that is in storage

It got sold or not?

MisterLearnToCode says

It got sold or not?

Not all of it - key words - "part" of last years crop which really does nothing for planning for the upcoming season

Kakistocracy says

Not all of it

So more soybeans got sold thanks to the concession won by Trump, yes?

I don't recall Obama negotiating jack shit with China. He thought their slave labor dumping was great, and that 'magic wands' didn't exist, just like his corporate overlords wanted.

Some soybeans got sold - other countries have taken advantage of what used to be our market share

but but but but Obama - Barry isn't Potus anymore

And what pray tell do Trump's corporate overlords want besides that nifty tax package that got passed ?

Still not grasping this - Xi and Kim can afford to fuck around and play with Trump - Trump needs to get re-elected and show he has accomplished something even if it is all a smoke and mirrors victory and then embellish the details for the base.

Then move on to the next activity (distraction) and hope no one pays too much attention to what did not happen

We think short - they think long and they are "playing" Trump just like they did Obama and everyone else

The game is going to continue until we get some people in some administration (it won't happen with this one) that goes into all of this with a better understanding of how the other side thinks and operates especially from a historical perspective

Kakistocracy says

Still not grasping this - Xi and Kim can afford to fuck around and play with Trump - Trump needs to get re-elected and show he has accomplished something even if it is all a smoke and mirrors victory.

No they can't. Kim's economy is a basketcase, and without US exports (because Europeans, unlike the US, demand fair, not free trade with China) neither can China.

I also don't recall Obama doing much about Chinese currency manipulation either.

And yes, since that was the former President of the opposite Party, one needs to compare and contrast.

Isn't it interesting that China's exports to it's neighbors Japan and South Korea, are 1/3 to 1/4 that of the USA.

MisterLearnToCode says

one needs to compare and cont

Only when there is nothing else to offer

This may come as a surprise but the world does not revolve entirely around the U.S. and it's demands and whims

Kakistocracy says

Only when there is nothing else to offer

You can't say X is better or worse than Y without discussing Y.

One reason not to discuss Y is that X is provably superior.