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Strategist says

Those who sympathize with ISIS and hate America.

Incomplete. But Joe McCarthy would approve.

Strategist says

Laws that would stop these bastards.

That's not a dispositive statement. Gun control. Immigration control. Killing all American Muslim men under the age of 60. Those are dispositive statements

Strategist says

Remove their human rights.

Dispositive but vague. I doubt it matters to many here, but that's the exact route the Nazi's took.

Strategist says

I don't agree.

Then our nation is properly grateful that you are not a lawmaker. As bad as our current Congress is even they understand that laws which address crime address the criminal act and not accidental attributes of the criminals.

Being a Muslim is hardly accidental.

Americans are going crazy over Islam after 50 gays were killed.

Don't they remember when those Christians refused to bake a cake?

Obama will probably say something about how this is a "gun control" issue. Same old bullshit from the white house is expected. He has too much ego to say that he is failing to keep this nation safe from Muslim extremism as a president, especially after he advertised the gay shit all over the world. Was posturing for Putin, oh look how poorly they treat homos, well lookie here. Dumb ass president.

DOn't impress us with all your great insights at once FortWayne.

Pace yourself.

Quigley says

Being a Muslim is hardly accidental.

Sure it is, just like most religious people's choice of faith, it's an accident of birth (note I didn't say all).

P N Dr Lo R says

Doesn't surprise me a bit. They always seem especially hysterical--well, a lot like Dan in fact.

Translation: Having gotten my ass kicked so many times, I've resorted to pure ad hominem attacks. They are easier than addressing my opponent's arguments.

P N Dr Lo R says

mell says

atheists. communists and cultural marxists have committed as much if not more crimes in recent history.

In all of history.

The opinions of people with no grasp on history should only be laughed at. Anyone with even common sense will know the above statement is bullshit.

thunderlips11 says

If this had been some self-hating closet Gay with a strong Christian or Hassidic upbringing, all we would hear about is dangerous Christianity.

Becaues he's Muslim, we're all exaggerating, nuts, imbeciles, etc.

Only in the left media. I've consistently stated that religion, all religion, is bad regardless of the specific mythology. Islam today is exactly like Christianity was in the Dark Ages before rationalists and atheists neutered it in the western world. Of course then, Islam is even worse than Christianity. Their followers are more faithful. Faith is evil. Faith by its very nature demands the suspension of critical thought, skepticism, and changing one's mind. It is ludicrous that faith in anything is ever considered a good thing.

HydroCabron says

Isn't this disrespectful to the smaller number of people killed by non-atheist non-Marxists? Aren't we minimizing their deaths?

There is nothing wrong with stating facts. However, twisting facts into stating things that they don't is wrong. The few states used as examples of genocidal atheists and Marxists is not at all evidence that atheists and Marxists are genocidal just like mustaches don't cause genocide. Stalin and Mao did not kill people because of atheism, but solely because of political power. Need I remind you that the Christian and capitalistic American colonies and USA committed dozens of genocides. At least human greed and capitalism can rightfully be blamed for those genocides, and Christianity was in the very least used as an excuse for slaughtering Native Americans.

Another day, another failed attempt at keeping Americans safe by the LOSERS that comprise the American Homeland Security network.

In the fifteen years since 9/11, that would make a grand total of ZERO acts of terrorism thwarted by these failed losers, in return for all the freedom we've been forced to give up, and the trillions of taxpayer dollars wasted.

It's beyond time to demilitarize the police state and defund the domestic spying networks.

The biggest morons on the planet are the people saying "how could they have missed this guy? The FBI looked at him three times!"

Yea, well, idiots, the FBI etc wastes so much time spying on everyone all the time, that it is literally impossible to ever catch anyone. Proven by the fact that ZERO acts of domestic terrorism have been thwarted in the fifteen years since 9/11

thunderlips11 says

Kind of odd that the Christian countries have no penalties for being gay, but the Muslim ones do.

It used to before it was neutered. It's not surprising at all that cultures in which the power of religion and faith have diminished greatly are the ones with more liberty and fewer injustices. There are still laws being enforced in the US against homosexuality and gay people being arrested.

Last week, the Advocate reported some troubling news out of Louisiana: Since 2011, at least a dozen men have been arrested on a count of “attempted crimes against nature”—that is, an offer to have sex with another man. Even worse, the arrests were part of a sting operation in which undercover officers propositioned men, lured them into an apartment, then promptly arrested them and brought them to jail. The latest arrest occurred on July 18.

Still it's better than the treatment that occurred not so long ago when gays were castrated and lobotomized.

More than any other mental institution in the United States, Atascadero State Hospital (photograph) was a chamber of horrors for homosexuals. The tag "Homosexual Dachau" was well-earned for its forced lobotomies, castrations and brutal treatments practiced at that facility. Hundreds of gays and lesbians were forcibly sent by their families to be cured of homosexuality which, as recently as the early 1970s, was considered a sexual and psychological disorder.

The 1950's were an especially dark time for homosexuals. Because of the witch hunts by Senator Joseph McCarthy, Americans started passing horrible and oppressive laws against homosexuality. Same-sex behavior was linked to treason and Communism in that period. Ironically, Senator McCarthy had many homosexual aides at the time led by lawyer Roy Cohen. As the witch hunt spread across America, homosexuals with no politics were sent to the worst institutions imaginable.

Even up until 1971, simply being a homosexual could result in a life sentence. Twenty states had laws stating that the mere fact you were a homosexual was reason for imprisonment. In California (of all places) and Pennsylvania, we could be put away for life in a mental hospital. In seven states castration was permitted as a way to stop homosexual 'deviants.'

It's no coincidence that as fewer people attended church and religion lost its grasp on the general population, these atrocities stopped happening.

thunderlips11 says

Americans are going crazy over Islam after 50 gays were killed.

Don't they remember when those Christians refused to bake a cake?

Obviously Islamic terrorism is far worse, but that does not justify accepting lesser evils in our society. No one is proposing arresting people for not baking cakes. What should happen is that they should simply lose their business license. Denying service to people for being gay is no different than doing so because of race. How many restaurants used to refuse to serve negros? What happened when we stopped tolerating that? The problem ended. Today no one is refusing to serve blacks at restaurants and no one is protesting over it.

It's called the broken window theory. You don't ignore minor infractions because they lead to far greater ones. If it applies to crime, it should also apply to business practices and police actions.

The fact is that America is experiencing a culture war and anything to do with that culture war gets lots of press.

Killing unarmed civilians is not, and never has been war. War involves two military groups fighting each other on the same field in order to secure an objective. There's nothing being won in these incidents. It's criminal when they drone civilians in the Middle East, and it's criminal when they shoot unarmed club goers here.

Ironman says

and how does that compare to a little pussy like you who puts people on ignore because you're too much of a child to address your opponent's arguments when you get your ass kicked?

1. You have never made an argument any person with an IQ over 80 would take seriously.
2. The feature may be called "ignore" by Patrick, but it is a feature to prevent trolls like you from posting on my threads and disrupting them. That's how I use it and no amount of whining from you is going to change that fact.
3. Cry all you like, you are still not going to get access to my threads. I realize that my banning you has hurt you since you keep bringing it up, but that's a positive in my book.
4. You are the biggest pussy in the world having begged to meet me several times only to run and hide like a coward when given multiple opportunities to do so. If you aren't a pussy, prove me wrong by posting your real world identify and address. Oh, and don't bother posting the address of fictional character Tony Stark like the pussy you are. Talk about cowardice!

Dan8267 says

Only in the left media. I've consistently stated that religion, all religion, is bad regardless of the specific mythology. Islam today is exactly like Christianity was in the Dark Ages before rationalists and atheists neutered it in the western world. Of course then, Islam is even worse than Christianity. Their followers are more faithful. Faith is evil. Faith by its very nature demands the suspension of critical thought, skepticism, and changing one's mind. It is ludicrous that faith in anything is ever considered a good thing.

Yes, but when it comes to actual damage, it's the Islamists. We gotta remember that Muslims are less than 1% of the population, and Christians (however nominal) are probably 3/4 of the population.

All religion sucks, but Islam is far more dangerous than post-Enlightenment Christianity.

thunderlips11 says

All religion sucks, but Islam is far more dangerous than post-Enlightenment Christianity.

Yes, but the key is to understand why Islam is more dangerous. It's not because of the stories and the rituals. It's because the degree of faith and influence of that faith is greater. That's it. Back when Christianity commanded such vigorous faith, it was just as bad. I guarantee you that if you somehow converted 100% of Muslims into Christians, but they kept their religious fervor, they would be just as dangerous. Jesus, Mohamed, it does not make a difference.

When I say atheists, agnostics, and secularists neutered Christianity, it is because that's exactly what happened. Even with all the ways Christianity screws up our government and society today, it's nothing compared to a mere 100 years ago, nonetheless 400 years ago when they were burning witches, atheists, and heretics. The success of our civilization is only possible because western society largely expunged religion. Every decade gets better as religion continues to die.

The bottom line is that irrational superstition, which is all that faith is, is not good for safety, security, economic prosperity, liberty, cooperation, or peaceful relations. Rationality works. Rational lines of thought can solve any solvable problem. Irrationality prevents problems from being solved and creates new problems.

Ultimately, it's not a choice between accepting Christianity or Islam. The best way to defeat Islam is to defeat Christianity. A religious person is far more likely to convert to another religion than an atheist is to become a religious person. Fighting irrationality at its root is the best and only way to eliminate Islamic terrorism and all the other vices created by every religion.

Additionally, there are forms of irrationality other than religion. The refusal to acknowledge climate change or pass any kind of gun control or to reign in banks are all the result of irrational forces dominating the American political will. Think about all the misdirected outrage of SJWs that could be put into a useful form if they actually focused on real problems and lobbied for real reforms. The bottom line is that for our species to survive in an era where our technology allows us to destroy ourselves through various means including nuclear war and ecological collapse, we have to become more rational.

HydroCabron says

We need simple solutions. Like a ban on Muslims. Like a 1,989-mile wall on the border.

Not complex liberal faggot measures like forbidding mentally-ill fucktards from buying weapons.

This.

FortWayne says

Obama will probably say something about how this is a "gun control" issue.

Hillary's already been spewing this bullshit.

joshuatrio says

HydroCabron says

We need simple solutions. Like a ban on Muslims. Like a 1,989-mile wall on the border.

Not complex liberal faggot measures like forbidding mentally-ill fucktards from buying weapons.

This.

Oh yes, a two-thousand mile wall along Mexico and banning all Muslims from America is much simpler than implementing the gun control laws that Australia did in three months solving its mass shooting crisis.

Oh the other hand, clearly Christians have no problem repealing the religious protections of the First Amendment, so I say let's do that and apply it to all religions including Christianity. Go to church, get deported to the Vatican.

Dan8267 says

Additionally, there are forms of irrationality other than religion. The refusal to acknowledge climate change or pass any kind of gun control or to reign in banks are all the result of irrational forces dominating the American political will. Think about all the misdirected outrage of SJWs that could be put into a useful form if they actually focused on real problems and lobbied for real reforms. The bottom line is that for our species to survive in an era where our technology allows us to destroy ourselves through various means including nuclear war and ecological collapse, we have to become more rational.

No disagreement here.

The irrational forces aren't dumb people, it's the media and the elites. Every democracy ends up in the shitter because the Oligarchs dominate all aspects of society and begin to push for the things that benefit them (no regs, no nationalism except army to expand markets, etc.) and use various smoke screens to distract people with side issues.

As Jared Diamond's "Collapse" shows, the Elites go into extreme directions to benefit themselves, then irreversibly set the society into decline, they ride it down to the bottom or sell out to a nearby civilization to keep most of their power.

We've got to create chaos in the Dem and Rep parties as currently composed. Chaos = Opportunity.

NuttBoxer says

It's criminal when they drone civilians in the Middle East

They don't. We never target civilians.

NuttBoxer says

it's criminal when they shoot unarmed club goers here.

It's the Islamic way.

Strategist says

They don't. We never target civilians.

Then drones are either highly ineffective, or the MIC is targeting them, and you're wrong/in denial/ignorant:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/civilian-deaths-drone-strikes_us_561fafe2e4b028dd7ea6c4ff
http://www.cfr.org/drones/drones-kill-more-civilians-than-pilots-do/p37807
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/sep/11/henry-kissinger/kissinger-drones-have-killed-more-civilians-bombin/
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/24/-sp-us-drone-strikes-kill-1147
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/report-u-s-drones-may-killed-civilians/
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2013/02/drones_war_and_civilian_casualties_how_unmanned_aircraft_reduce_collateral.html

thunderlips11 says

Every democracy

Perhaps, but there hasn't been a democracy on this planet since ancient Rome. A republic is a far cry from a democracy and suffers from all problems of democracy plus many more.

thunderlips11 says

As Jared Diamond's "Collapse" shows, the Elites go into extreme directions to benefit themselves, then irreversibly set the society into decline, they ride it down to the bottom or sell out to a nearby civilization to keep most of their power.

Yes, but that is due to capitalism, private control over industry and the distribution of wealth by those elites, rather than by democracy.

Capitalism is inherently parasitic and unmaintainable.

thunderlips11 says

We've got to create chaos in the Dem and Rep parties as currently composed. Chaos = Opportunity.

Trump will do that to both parties. That's why it's better in the long term if he wins the general election rather than Hillary.

Trump will most likely be a one-term president and his administration will leave the GOP in ruins.

The first order of business against potential radicalization from homegrown threats would be to disallow/disable access to any suspicious websites from overseas where one could become "radicalized."

dublin hillz says

The first order of business against potential radicalization from homegrown threats would be to disallow/disable access to any suspicious websites from overseas where one could become "radicalized."

That's the China policy. Make sure you include "democracy" and "Tiananmen Square" in your list of banned search words. Also, you'll have to replace Google with a search engine that filters out any offensive content. Might I suggest Baidu. It's a search engine with years of proven results solving the exact problem you are trying to solve.

At least now we can all admit that Communism has won and is the better system. After all, we all seem to want to move to it and be exactly like Russia and China.

No, but it's taking over the west:

https://www.facebook.com/OfficialBritainFirst/videos/1054446841367243/

Reagan let in the Orlando shooter's father.

Eric Holder gave him the guns, with Obamas blessing

He was just doing the only thing he knows how to do, drum up business for his corporate "health " "care" masters

Dan8267 says

That's the China policy. Make sure you include "democracy" and "Tiananmen Square" in your list of banned search words. Also, you'll have to replace Google with a search engine that filters out any offensive content. Might I suggest Baidu. It's a search engine with years of proven results solving the exact problem you are trying to solve.

At least now we can all admit that Communism has won and is the better system. After all, we all seem to want to move to it and be exactly like Russia and China.

China and communist thug regimes want to limit access to competing ideas proactively because they are insecure about their worldview and know that it's corrupt. In this case, there has been clear evidence from last couple of years that these weakminded conformist individuals are susceptible to "radicalization" based on exposure to recruiters through the websites and their contents. Then, they proceed to commit attacks. I think U.S and western europe would be more than justified to react and eliminate access to these websites from their territories.

neplusultra57 says

laws which address crime address the criminal act and not accidental attributes of the criminals.

Quigley says

Being a Muslim is hardly accidental.

Actually, in the eyes of justice, it is. Call me old fashioned and conservative, but bear with me. I went to google, selected images and typed in “justice”. The first result of that search has stood our nation in good stead for many years and deserves to be conserved. When justice doesn’t wear the blindfold it resembles our near worthless politicians whose laws don’t benefit the common good but rather benefit the upcoming election.

We end up with Democrats who say the answer to gun violence by Muslims in America is more Muslims. And we end up with Republicans who say the answer to gun violence by Muslims in America is more guns. It’s going to be a long and bloody summer until we realize both guns and immigration must be regulated differently than they currently are.

errc says

Eric Holder gave him the guns, with Obamas blessing

Obama has been trying to get laws changed, were suspected terrorists can't legally buy guns. He had just spoken about this the other day.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/video-of-obama-venting-about-terrorist-sympathizers-still-being-able-to-get-guns-resurfaces/

Of course, they could still get them from friends, or through any of a number of current loop holes. No law will stop a determined terrorist from getting guns on its own obviously, but that isn't an excuse not to pass a few reasonable standards now.

Go ahead, post some more lies and simpleton stuff like "scarlet whore" etc, since my points will go over your mentally limited grasp.

Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says

Obama has been trying to get laws changed, were suspected terrorists can't legally buy guns. He had just spoken about this the other day.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/video-of-obama-venting-about-terrorist-sympathizers-still-being-able-to-get-guns-resurfaces/

Of course, they could still get them from friends, or through any of a number of current loop holes. No law will stop a determined terrorist from getting guns on its own obviously, but that isn't an excuse not to pass a few reasonable standards now.

I don't think preventing this Omar bastard from buying guns would have prevented an attack. However, I agree preventing suspected sympathizers of ISIS or American haters from buying guns would make it much more difficult for them to carry out their virgin seeking deeds.

NuttBoxer says

Strategist says

They don't. We never target civilians.

Then drones are either highly ineffective, or the MIC is targeting them, and you're wrong/in denial/ignorant:

I repeat....WE NEVER TARGET CIVILIANS. Collateral damage is acceptable.

Strategist says

I repeat....WE NEVER TARGET CIVILIANS. Collateral damage is acceptable.

So let's follow that statement to it's logical conclusion. If civilians are never targeted, drones are highly ineffective(see above smidgen of links). Once it's known that drones are highly ineffective, but they continue being used, what is MIC now saying... That they support targeting civilians.

You see, before I knew how easily drones killed innocent people, not on my target list, I had an excuse. Now that I know, and continue aiming at "terrorists", for example in the middle of a Yemenese wedding(oh wait, there weren't any terrorists there), I can pretend like you and say "I'm not targeting civilians", but the reality is I know when I pull that trigger, those innocent people ARE going to die, and it will be MY fault.

Remind me to never go hunting with you Cheney Jr, Don't want to be caught in your "acceptable collateral damage" radius.

NuttBoxer says

I can pretend like you and say "I'm not targeting civilians", but the reality is I know when I pull that trigger, those innocent people ARE going to die, and it will be MY fault.

Of course. It is the same with all weapons. The USG knew that civilians would be killed in the invasion of Iraq. In fact, a study in Lancet estimated that 100,000 mostly women, children and elderly civilians were killed in the lead up bombing to the invasion. And if folks knowingly invaded Iraq under false pretenses, and knew civilians would be killed, and laughed bout it - what would you call that?

Blurtman says

Of course. It is the same with all weapons. The USG knew that civilians would be killed in the invasion of Iraq. In fact, a study in Lancet estimated that 100,000 mostly women, children and elderly civilians were killed in the lead up bombing to the invasion. And if folks knowingly invaded Iraq under false pretenses, and knew civilians would be killed, and laughed bout it - what would you call that?

I only support one war in our nations history, the first one. Now yes, civilians probably died during the Revolution, but that's not the same thing. If I use a pistol to target an enemy combatant, and the bullet ricochets, killing a civilian, that's not the same as using a missile to shoot at someone on a grainy as shit screen, in a place I've never been, and saying "whoops" when civilians are also killed.

dublin hillz says

China and communist thug regimes want to limit access to competing ideas proactively because they are insecure about their worldview and know that it's corrupt.

Why do you vote for people who want to send as much High Tech subcontracting China's way?