patrick.net

Need a quick course in demographic economics and here is BLS table for 1. Median usual weekly earnings of full-time wage and salary workers by sex, quarterly averages, seasonally adjusted

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/wkyeng.t01.htm

Logan Mohtashami says

You're Deflationary Spiral thesis is just as bad as the Gold Bugs, Don't you dare leave this site come 2020 when post Recession cycle looks nothing like you're claiming it be

You're mistaking YoY % over a long term extended run

Not the correct way

And another Logan cop-out. Can't answer the question?

Jesus Holy $)(_#0-

Wow...

You can't believe this non sense, you're just talking for the sake of debating this is bordello madness

I refuse to believe what you said

tatupu70 says

And another Logan cop-out. Can't answer the question?

No cop outs you're both off the Grid... I even gave you the data, You're not even versed in... Seriously

No... No.... No...

I refuse do believe this, you can't be this far off the Grid, no way

You can't be this off the grid of reality

Logan Mohtashami says

And you can't keep posting this chart that is average of all earnings. The 1% is doing great and will skew that chart.

Seriously for the sake of not totally being embarrassed post the next recession

Older economies have limited capacity growth, that's given.

However, you're running right into a young work force bigger than the Boomers with a median college 2015 Grad pay of 48K-54K

This isn't going to end well for you Deflationary Depression Spiral thesis

Logan Mohtashami says

This isn't going to end well for you Deflationary Depression Spiral thesis

I'm afraid it's not going to end well for 99% of the US population.

Another point that could create a crink in Logan's thesis is that if the interest rates go up to just 4% the debt service will be 1.5 Trillion. Plus it will be twofer in that the value of the treasuries the Fed holds will go down in value.

This I'm paraphrasing from David Stockman.

Anyway add this to the pile of un-refuted points I have made.

Logan Mohtashami says

Older economies have limited capacity growth, that's given.

And that's another ridiculous statement. What is limiting US capacity of anything?

tatupu70 says

What is limiting US capacity of anything?

When you're a young country... infrastructure build is massive, because you're building out for a growing labor force.

When you're older country, you start doing things like repair because a lot your infrastructure build out is limited

This is why countries always grow really fast when they're young and when they get older their growth models fall because they're big.

Here in America we were awesome because we had a mass immigration for decades which lead to massive booms in prime age labor force in 1980's and 1990's and now you see that growth peaked in 2007

My next article will explain why we haven't been able to to get to the 50 year average in housing starts up to 1.5 million that everyone thought would be so easy in this cycle

Demographics matter and as you can see below so does labor force growth

Logan Mohtashami says

When you're a young country... infrastructure build is massive, because you're building out for a growing labor force.

When you're older country, you start doing things like repair because a lot your infrastructure build out is limited

This is why countries always grow really fast when they're young and when they get older their growth models fall because they're big.

Here in America we were awesome because we had a mass immigration for decades which lead to massive booms in prime age labor force in 1980's and 1990's and now you see that growth peaked in 2007

Yes, thanks for that lesson. My question was what is limiting our capacity of anything? Labor, capital?

Because what you forgot to mention in your lesson was that older countries are much, much more efficient than younger ones. All those productivity gains every year mean that US capacity is actually growing every year. It takes much less labor to produce today vs. 100 years ago.

We grew our economy from 2 trillion to near 19 trillion in 1980's and 1990's no it wasn't Reagan or Clinton it was awesome prime age labor force growth

tatupu70 says

Labor, capital?

Every question you have just think of these 2 charts

Both of you two aren't versed in demographic economics and that's fine not a lot people but that's my thing.. prime age labor force growth matters

I hate to tell you this but we are never going to agree on American economics ever not for second

Logan Mohtashami says

Both of you two aren't versed in demographic economics and that's fine not a lot people but that's my thing.. prime age labor force growth matters

You think it's just magic, don't you? If there are people aged 25-54 than the economy magically grows.

Others, like me, understand why it has worked this way in the past and why it may NOT work that way in the future.

Gold Bugs have their thing and you Liberals have your thing

But Jesus if you think America sucks you must hate the entire world then

tatupu70 says

If there are people aged 25-54 than the economy magically grows.

You have to ask your hubby to let me take you out to dinner and I can explain it over a nice meal :-)

Logan Mohtashami says

You have to ask your hubby to let me take you out to dinner and I can explain it over a nice meal :-)

Actually I know and I will be happy to explain it to you. I'm not sure you'll get it, but I'd be happy to try.

tatupu70 says

Actually I know and I will be happy to explain it to you. I'm not sure you'll get it, but I'd be happy to try.

Is that a Yes!!! awesome

Logan Mohtashami says

Is that a Yes!!! awesome

Next conference you have in the Chicago area, let me know.

tatupu70 says

Next conference you have in the Chicago area, let me know

Deal!