patrick.net

My take:

The number of true Free Markeeters is declining among working class white males. Randroids are more common in the upper middle class tech workers and financial types.

Working class and increasingly middle class guys want an end to mass immigration, H1-Bs, and more and better paying jobs, and have no problem dumping the "Free" trade deals. It's the Randroids and the Big Business Republicans and the Mainstream Democrats who are diehards about unlimited movement of people and capital and goods.

Less and less people give two shits about abortion. The Religious Right is a spent force, declining in numbers and power year after year, it was a Boomer Jesus Freak Phenomenon that peaked around 2000. Mainstream churches are taking back ex-evangelicals left and right.

While some older working class whites don't like teh Gays, they're more worried about job security and immigration.

Hillary's unfavorable rating is just as high as Trump, but with one important difference: She's already lead a failed Obamneycare plan in the 90s, was a Senator, and was Sec. of State - voters know what they're going to get. Trump has never held office.

In terms of perceived honesty, they're about the same.
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2307

Obama in 2008 was a likable, affable, AND respectable sort of fellow (after Bush the Goofy) who said all the right things about banks, America, etc. plus he would be the FIRST BLACK PRES!! He ran against McCain-Palin, both of whom are the butt of jokes.

In 2012 Obama ran against a corporate suit when the financial crisis was on everybody's radar screen. Even Republicans wiped off the slime every time he got near.

Iowa doesn't matter much because it has too many "Back to the Land" ex-Jesus Freaks. This is the state where Santorum came in second by a hair behind Romney and got double digit percentages, which he did not come close to doing in any other primary in 2012. New Hampshire is more of a bellweather.

I would propose that Trump is already seen as an Independent Surge Candidate more than a Republican. He certainly isn't the GOP Establishment choice, or the choice of the Religious Right, or the choice of Big Business.

Read your Machiavelli folks. It's better to be loved than feared, but better to be feared than be perceived as a fool.

TL;DR:

Trump is the unlooked for result of the Republican Bene-Geserit Breeding Program.

The Propaganda was just supposed to get the nasty unwashed white working class out to vote, now it's backfired on them royally.

"Silence! Remember my Trump-Jabbar, Ailes-Limbaugh. I can kill with a word!"

I guess when the rubber hits the road all Liberals have is their Lies about what their Man Flint did for them.

Ironman says

She DIDN'T accomplish anything in her last two gigs as a government employee

She did delete all those emails.

thunderlips11 says

Hillary's unfavorable rating is just as high as Trump, but with one important difference: She's already lead a failed Obamneycare plan in the 90s, was a Senator, and was Sec. of State - voters know what they're going to get. Trump has never held office.

Her foreign policy credentials are a disaster. Gaddafi/Libya, the Iraq war, ISIS.

A lot of women will vote for her. A lot of Democrat knuckle draggers. The Free Shit Army. All of the gender identity disorder crowd and sympathizers. Bankers will rejoice. Arms suppliers will rejoice.

OR were you just trolling? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Blurtman says

Why do moron Democrats never admit that their candidates and party are wrong and not competent?

Obama is wrong and even worse than incompetent. He's evil. I'll take incompetent over evil any day.

Now, show yourself not to be an utter hypocrite and say the same about Bush, Cheney, and Trump. Otherwise, my next statement stands unchallenged. As bad as Democrats are, they are orders of magnitude better than Republicans because whereas Democrats do bad things due to incompetence and pettiness, Republicans are actively trying to destroy the world for profit.

Unless you can meet the challenge of admitting the evils of your party, your opinion does not mean shit. It's like a person who cannot criticize the Nazis for anything major expressing an opinion of Israel.

I want somebody who will start switching us away from the MENA and towards Russia as an ally. The distance between Long Beach and Vladivostok, or Newark and Archangel, is shorter and safer than the trip from Long Beach to Ras Tanurah. And you only have to deal with one nation instead of a dozen. AND you will have a a block of Allies that runs the entire World Circumference in the Northern Hemisphere: a massive amount of the World's Land Mass and Developed Nations. It will ensure Western dominance for at least another century. And because all of these countries are middling to high income, we could have fairly free trade between them all with a minimum of fuss, especially if we nationalized the cost of health care.

Somebody who will bring back some protectionism, change corporate taxation to territorial, and get our ass to Mars. And preserve the Western Culture, and allow a soft population drop to ensure widespread employment, lower rents, and a better standard of living.

That definitely isn't Hillary, or Lindsey Graham.

Dan8267 says

Now, show yourself not to be an utter hypocrite and say the same about Bush,

Shrub!? He was the worst president the USA ever elected, and incomprehensibly, twice! Cheney is an evil man, and he, Shrub, Wolfowitz, Rice, and many more should be doing time for war crimes. Look , we killed civilians which (we knew would happen) for a lie. And then there was Abu Ghraib, and the killing of news people, and the shredding of innocent civilians mistaken to be armed combatants, use of white phosphorous as a weapon, military assassin squads, etc.

My party is the Democrat party, BTW. I have never voted Republican in my life. I was duped into voting for Obama the first time, but realized the betrayal after the appointments of Geithner and Summers, and the continual lies about the banks committing no crimes. I wrote-in William K. Black the second time, and if Hillary is the candidate, will write-in Bernie or Warren.

I believe the entire system needs to be torn down, but will be happy with a trust buster president as a start.

thunderlips11 says

I want somebody who will start switching us away from the MENA and towards Russia as an ally.

Hard to do considering the history, and entrenched interests whose money and fame are tied to being anti-Russia. The USA and Russia were allies in WW2, as well as the USA and China. I believe Russia lost the most people during WW2, but of course, the USA won the war.

Blurtman says

Dan8267 says

Now, show yourself not to be an utter hypocrite and say the same about Bush,

Shrub!? He was the worst president the USA ever elected, and incomprehensibly, twice!

Actually, he was only elected the second time, but thanks for at least admitting how terrible those Republicans were. There's hope for you yet.

That said, until all the evil done by the Bush administration is undone and those who profited from that evil have their assets seized, no sane person would tolerate another Republican. There is a price to pay for overturning an election, starting a false war, torturing people, and disregarding basic human and civil rights. The price is that the Republican Party can no longer be tolerated.

Quigley says

If somebody Dares post or say that black lives don't matter more than any other lives

that's dishonestly misstating what they BLM protest movement is about!

or that inviting more Muslims into the country might not be the best idea

alienating the entire muslim world seems like a good idea to dumbass conservatives, but since you guys are wrong about everything, guess what, you're obviously, and blindingly wrong about that, too.

ISIS shitheads want to cut off the islamic world from us. If you think that's a good idea, you're as backwards and morally empty as they are.

the media jumps all over them and calls them racist, as if that is the worst thing that one could be.

So much of the human stupidity of the past 100-odd years is due to racism -- in its flavors of bigotry, chauvinism, and prejudice. It really fucked up the Germans and
Japanese when these proud nations wrote racist checks their "Race" couldn't cash.

Intolerance of other ideas

I have a high intolerance of bullshit, which is what conservativism is these days, couple of steps below Amway on the scam scale.

and dogmatic adherence to fantasy is the hallmark of liberal ideology. Anything that comes close to reality is castigated, attacked, and banned.

Bullshit. Conservatives are the ones living in a closed epistemology, not "liberals".

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/14/how-the-party-of-stupid-birthed-trump-and-carson.html

FortWayne says

Democrats always want to spend more, and Republicans want to lower taxes. Democrats need to spend less, and the problem is solved. It's how every household budgets, you don't spend what you don't have. Deficits skyrocketing? Stop spending, it's simple! Blaming Republicans on this is silly, they aren't the once spending the money.

I know that's the lie that your puppet masters want you to believe, but it's 100% incorrect. It absolutely IS Republicans spending the money. Reagan and Bush II increased the budget more than any Dem. President could dream of doing. You really need to wake up and realize what's going on.

Dan,
That's an insult. I'm a dumb ass but I'll not vote for Trumpeter.

Everything is so FUBAR that I've gone by the point of caring.

Ironman says

Isn't time for you to post one of your disingenuous charts showing 8 years of spending for a Repub president versus 3 or 4 years of Obamas?

Only if you don't know what disingenuous means. Using the most up to date charts I could find isn't disingenuous.

If you have more up to date charts, please post them. They will agree with me.

Ironman says

Right, when you know the chart only covers half of his term so far, but you'll still use it as a comparison to 8 years of a previous administration, hoping no one will notice....

Why are you liberals such liars?

I expect people to notice. Doesn't change the fact that Reagan and Bush II increased spending far, far, far more than Obama on a YOY basis.

Feel free to post any data showing that Obama has increased spending more than Bush II or Reagan.

Ironman says

That's not what your buddy said, go back and read it again, this time for comprehension!

And why do I care what "my buddy" (whoever that is) wrote? You said I'm a liar and I'm saying feel free to post something, anything that backs that assertion.

thunderlips11 says

The Propaganda was just supposed to get the nasty unwashed white working class out to vote, now it's backfired on them royally.

THIS.

lol--I should have expected as much from someone as ill-versed in math as you.

Here's how you should do the analysis:

Reagan-- 50% increase in spending
Bush II-- 50% increase in spending
Obama-- 24% increase in spending

Ironman says

LOL, how did I know you were going to play the percentage game... OK, I'll play too!!

Because it's the proper way to do the analysis.

Notwithstanding that you don't know how to calculate a percentage change (hint--you don't subtract), you've now completely changed the subject. We were talking about spending increases. Now, if you agree that Bush II and Reagan were much bigger spenders than Obama or Clinton were, then we can move on and discuss
the debt/GDP and Federal debt charts you posted. So, you agree?