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Quigley says

The president that every democrat looks back on as the greatest ever, FDR, banned immigrants from Japan, Germany, and Italy during WWII.

Amazing. And during WWII as well. I wonder why he did that.

But it takes someone from a village like Chicago to make the entire USA look like Chicago!

Bigsby says

Amazing. And during WWII as well. I wonder why he did that.

Ever heard of the "War on Terror?" Seems to most of us that the exact wrong way to go about it is to import more terrorists to our homeland.

Quigley says

Ever heard of the "War on Terror?" Seems to most of us that the exact wrong way to go about it is to import more terrorists to our homeland.

Yeah, because the 'War on Terror' is exactly the same as WWII. And I don't think the plan is to import more terrorists, is it? It is to let a very small number of Syrian refugees (a whopping 10,000) enter the country - a tiny fraction of the total refugee crisis that your country played a quite substantial role in creating in the first place. And that is without even touching on the utterly moronic blatherings of Trump in regard to banning the entry of all Muslims, including US citizens, something that you seem happy to support despite the fact it violates international law and openly discriminates against one religion. As I recall, you hold up the US constitution any time it serves your own purposes. What about the equal protection clause and the First Amendment’s doctrine of freedom of religion? I take it you don't care about those because they don't serve your own prejudices.

Dan8267 says

Obama is black Bush. You only hate him because of his political party and skin color. Besides those two things, he's exactly like fucking Bush.

He's continued the policy of ass kissing the KSA while engaging in "Drug War-esque" useless bombings of terrorist leaders, who are quickly replaced by other terrorist leaders.

lostand confused says

Obozo is the most dangerous man in our country-being a constitutional scholar, he wants to disqualify someone for exercising his free speech-he ought to be impeached-lying piece of scum.

We get it that you hate Obama. I'm not even questioning whether you have good reason to hate him or not.

But can't you articulate a criticism without sounding totally retarded ?

The White House isn't saying it's unconstitutional or illegal. They're saying it should be denounced by republicans. Even if you dissagree, you should be capable of understanding what they mean. Who knows, you might even be capable of understanding why they think that. IF you don't understand it, you're only reflecting on yourself with this, but hey, i guess maybe you're trying to impress CIC, or TPDB.

lostand confused says

disqualify someone for exercising his free speech-he ought to be impeached-lying piece of scum

I've got news for you. We have free speech in this country, but there are plenty of things that a candidate for high office could say that would disqualify them (only meaning they lose credibility and are not seen as qualified - and they don't stand a chance - and should therefore drop out of the race).

But hey, I do understand that this is the clown show that we call the 2016 republican primary process.

I guarantee that there are plenty of very respectable republicans that are terrified and disgusted by what Trump is doing.

Ironman says

Bigsby says

claiming that Trump doesn't pander or lie?

Why don't you post the list of lies instead of your normal keyboard diarrhea.

Why don't I just put you on ignore so I can avoid your tiresome trolling?

But anyway, you could start with his 9/11 comments. Or that refugees are being sent to Republican states and not Democrat ones. Or his claim that 81% of whites who are murdered are killed by blacks. Or contrasting his comment in his 1999 book that he has 'little appetite for those who hate or preach intolerance' with all his intolerant pronouncements in this campaign. Or his claim that Obama wants to take in 250,000 Syrian refugees. And on and on you can go.

Dan8267 says

[W]hite House spokesman Josh Earnest said Trump's plan to refuse even American-born Muslims entry to the United States were patently unconstitutional.

So's Gitmo, but that has stopped it. The Constitution is only as good as it's enforced.

actually, the white house is wrong about that one:

https://patrick.net/Trump+proposal+to+exclude+Muslims+is+consitutional

actually, the white house is wrong about that one:

https://patrick.net/Trump+proposal+to+exclude+Muslims+is+consitutional

I just find this odd coming from a constitutional scholar. if Bush said this-he is an imbecile-but this man is supposed to be the expert. The same for TPP, where the whole deal was negotiated in secret and a congress critter would be put in jail for revealing what is in it. It is a trade deal-the biggest probably and for him to do this is shameful. This man is very dangerous-very , very dangerous.

actually, the white house is wrong about that one:

https://patrick.net/Trump+proposal+to+exclude+Muslims+is+consitutional

American born, U.S. citizens ?

Patrick-question -if someone is ignoring you-shouldn't they not be able to see you and not able to post in your threads?
marcus says Patrick says actually, the white house is wrong about that one: https://patrick.net/Trump+prop American born, U.S. citizens ?

For example in the general view page I see marcus posting something in this thread, but when I click the thread, can't see the comment-what gives?

marcus says

American born, U.S. citizens ?

read the article, it's about aliens.

Dan8267 says

So's Gitmo, but that has stopped it. The Constitution is only as good as it's enforced. If we can torture people and assassinate children with drones, what's to stop us from violating other Constitutional rights?

What good is constitution that cannot protect it's citizens from 7th century barbarians. The only change we need is a constitutional change.

Dan8267 says

dodgerfanjohn says

Obamas deal with Iran makes him a dangerous person, along with being a disingenuous lying sack of feces.

Obama is black Bush. You only hate him because of his political party and skin color. Besides those two things, he's exactly like fucking Bush.

We hate Obama's policies with regards to terrorism. He screwed up.

Bigsby says

Yeah, because the 'War on Terror' is exactly the same as WWII.

World War 2 was against countries. This war, WW3 is against Islam. When the Japanese attacked us, they woke up a "Sleeping Giant" When Islam attacked us, they woke up the "Giant" again. Islam is the most dangerous religion that exists today, which must be destroyed and converted into a democracy just like Germany and Japan.

Strategist says

What good is constitution that cannot protect it's citizens from 7th century barbarians. The only change we need is a constitutional change.

We don't need a constitutional change, Strategist. We need a strategy change.

Let willing hands with "skin in the game" (thousands of their own national Chechens in Syria and Iraq fighting with ISIS) bomb.

Meanwhile, we moderate our ridiculous "Come one, come all, especially if we bombed you recently" immigration policy.

marcus says

American born, U.S. citizens ?

read the article, it's about aliens.

Read the quote you responded to.

Dan8267 says

[W]hite House spokesman Josh Earnest said Trump's plan to refuse even American-born Muslims entry to the United States were patently unconstitutional.

So's Gitmo, but that has stopped it. The Constitution is only as good as it's enforced.

actually, the white house is wrong about that one:

Strategist says

What good is constitution that cannot protect it's citizens from 7th century barbarians.

You are hundreds of thousands of times more likely to die from a disease caused by or worsen by pollution than you are likely to die from terrorism. What good is a constitution that cannot protect it's citizens from pollution generated by greedy corporations?

Strategist says

We hate Obama's policies with regards to terrorism. He screwed up.

You mean by killing Osama bin Laden, the guy George Bush let go? Or do you mean by invading the correct countries instead of Iraq, a country led by a brutal dictator who kept terrorism down? The entire Republican Party screwed up and made America less safe from terrorism. Oh, and 9/11 happened entirely on their watch. Oh, and 9/11 would not have happened if Gore, who won the 2000 election, actually served as president and Clinton, who was in the process of making the Middle East more stable, wasn't distracted by bullshit politically motivated charges from Republicans for getting a blow job.

A lot of Americans would be alive today if the Republican Party simply did not exist in the 1990s.

Dan8267 says

You mean by killing Osama bin Laden, the guy George Bush let go?

Leon Panetta had to agree to let Obama do him anally to get the ok to kill Bin Laden.

dodgerfanjohn says

Leon Panetta had to agree to let Obama do him anally to get the ok to kill Bin Laden.

And that remarks demonstrates the height of conservative intellectualism.

Ironman says

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

We hate Obama's policies with regards to terrorism. He screwed up.

You mean by killing Osama bin Laden,

You got some official proof or a Youtube video to prove it?

You actually fucking need "official proof" that bin Laden was killed by Seal Team Six under Obama's orders? Once again, you demonstrate how batshit crazy you are. I'll be sure to quote you on this every time you open your mouth and say something stupid. Oh shit, that's every time you open your mouth. I can't type that much.

Seriously.

Panetta: We got Bin Laden. All we need is the green light Chief!

Obama: Is there a request somewhere there?

Panetta: Yes. Bin Laden. Dude who orchestrated the attack on the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, and the attempt on the White House. America's public enemy number one. We know exactly where he is, just like you demanded when we let him go multiple times before. But we got him this time. Can we take him out?

Obama: Hmmmmm....I dunno.

Panetta: Look...you'll be a hero...remembered forever as the President that got Bin Laden. Please lets take him out.

Obama: Drop your drawers. I wanna stick it to you like I did the American people. Then well get Bin Laden I suppose.

True story.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

What good is constitution that cannot protect it's citizens from 7th century barbarians.

You are hundreds of thousands of times more likely to die from a disease caused by or increased by pollution than you are likely to die from terrorism. What good is a constitution that cannot protect it's citizens from pollution generated by greedy corporations?

LOL. You are so funny, Dan.
The constitution was not designed to protect you from pollution. Solar panels and electric cars, which you don't drive, was invented to combat pollution. The constitution was designed to protect our freedoms, like freedom of speech, which is now under the control of Islam.

Honey buns, pollution is far more dangerous than terrorism and kills far more Americans. It does it indirectly through things like cancer and other diseases, but it's far more effective at murdering Americans than terrorism ever could be. It also aborts babies. More babies are aborted through miscarriages caused directly or indirectly by pollution than by mothers choosing to have abortions.

And as for the rights the Constitution was designed to protect, they include property rights. Much of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights is about protecting property rights, and property rights includes our right to our public property like clean air and water. You know, shit we actually cannot live without.

Ironman says

Dan8267 says

You actually fucking need "official proof" that bin Laden was killed by Seal Team Six under Obama's orders?

Absolutely, because I don't drink the kool-aid like you do. I definitely don't trust a habitual liar like Obama (and you).

Well, there you have it. Idiots who deny climate change and support Donald Trump also think that bin Laden's death was faked.

I have to correct a mistake I made. I had previously said that bgamall4 was the most batshit carzy person on PatNet. CIC has finally proven me wrong on something.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

We hate Obama's policies with regards to terrorism. He screwed up.

You mean by killing Osama bin Laden, the guy George Bush let go?

Nope. Try again.

Dan8267 says

Or do you mean by invading the correct countries instead of Iraq, a country led by a brutal dictator who kept terrorism down?

LOL. You are even funnier then I thought. He screwed up when it cam to controlling ISIS. Screwed up with the Iranian nuclear agreement. Screwed up with thinking Islam was a peaceful religion. There is nothing more he could have screwed up with.

Dan8267 says

The entire Republican Party screwed up and made America less safe from terrorism. Oh, and 9/11 happened entirely on their watch. Oh, and 9/11 would not have happened if Gore, who won the 2000 election, actually served as president and Clinton, who was in the process of making the Middle East more stable, wasn't distracted by bullshit politically motivated charges from Republicans for getting a blow job.

A lot of Americans would be alive today if the Republican Party simply did not exist in the 1990s.

Huh? Are you saying Obama did not screw up because Bush screwed up? Hello? They both screwed up.

Strategist says

Nope. Try again.

Bush let Osama go. That was weakness. Are you denying this?

Strategist says

He screwed up when it cam to controlling ISIS.

ISIS rose to power after Bush had Saddam killed, and largely because of Bush's fuckups in the Middle East. Bush took down a secularist allowing religious nutjobs to rise to power. Bush wasted America's resources and weakened our military spreading it out where it wasn't needed so it couldn't stop the real threats. Bush's policies and evidence of his torture program is still a recruiting tool for terrorists.

Bush the single person most responsible for ISIS's success with the possible exception of Dick Cheney.

Strategist says

Huh? Are you saying Obama did not screw up because Bush screwed up? Hello? They both screwed up.

I said no such thing. However, if Gore, who had been elected, actually served his presidency, ISIS would not have risen to power.

Terrorism is caused primarily by the colossal fuckups of the Republican Party, the party incapable of making competent foreign policy.

Dan8267 says

Honey buns, pollution is far more dangerous than terrorism and kills far more Americans.

meh, pollution is declining:

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/air-pollution-improve-life-expectancy-us/

terrorism is increasing.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

He screwed up when it cam to controlling ISIS.

ISIS rose to power after Bush had Saddam killed, and largely because of Bush's fuckups in the Middle East. Bush took down a secularist allowing religious nutjobs to rise to power. Bush wasted America's resources and weakened our military spreading it out where it wasn't needed so it couldn't stop the real threats. Bush's policies and evidence of his torture program is still a recruiting tool for terrorists.

Bush the single person most responsible for ISIS's success with the possible exception of Dick Cheney.

Obama has been our President for 7 years, did nothing, and you blame Bush for the rise of ISIS.

Dan8267 says

Honey buns, pollution is far more dangerous than terrorism and kills far more Americans. It does it indirectly through things like cancer and other diseases, but it's far more effective at murdering Americans than terrorism ever could be. It also aborts babies. More babies are aborted through miscarriages caused directly or indirectly by pollution than by mothers choosing to have abortions.

He he he. I like your red, non polluting, convertible, electric car, Dan. Where did you get it from?

btw, might there be some connection between the paris talks on global warming and the terrorist attacks happening just before the talks?

the saudis stand to lose many billions of dollars if we all stop buying so much of their oil. maybe the attack was intended to distract people from paying too much attention to the paris talks.

it's starting to seem like the saudis have many more terrorists ready and willing to go and kill random civilians starting out from all the saudi-funded mosques around the world. the saudis can just basically push a button to cause more killing and distract everyone from whatever topic of the day they want to distract us from. though maybe they don't have the killers under such good control.

islam is more of a weapon than a religion:

“Islam is a monster, is a beast,” Jaser is heard saying on one intercepted conversation. “Islam is a very powerful weapon, OK, and if it’s in the right hands...then you can bulldoze the whole world.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/terror-suspect-called-islam-powerful-weapon-trial-hears/article22803996/

If hating Obama is wrong then i don't want to be right.

meh, pollution is declining:

Not CO2 emissions.

terrorism is increasing.

From the Department of Defense's 2014 report on climate change,

In our defense strategy, we refer to climate change as a ‘threat multiplier’ because it has the potential to exacerbate many of the challenges we are dealing with today — from infectious disease to terrorism. We are already beginning to see some of these impacts.

Climate change will threaten food supplies and water supplies. Any society is only three meals away from revolt. The instability caused by climate change will increase terrorism. That's why the DOD calls it a "threat multiplier".

Think about it. A nation of poor and hungry men are more likely to join terrorist groups. Climate change most certainly will increase poverty and hunger as fertile land ceases to be.

Strategist says

Obama has been our President for 7 years, did nothing, and you blame Bush for the rise of ISIS.

Yes. The full impact of a presidency is only realized years, even decades, after it has ended. It takes time for the effects of policies to be realized. If you think every effect immediately follows its cause with no delay, then you are truly foolish.

Strategist says

He he he. I like your red, non polluting, convertible, electric car, Dan. Where did you get it from?

You are attempting to make the argument that if a person causes any pollution whatsoever, he cannot support policy design to wisely manage the environment and minimize the environmental, financial, and military risks of climate change. This argument is fucking retarded.

It is impossible to eliminate all pollution. That does not mean we should not wisely manage pollution levels and try to minimize the impact. Nor does it mean we shouldn't implement measures that will improve the long-term prospects of the world like a carbon tax or gasoline taxes, which I would gladly pay to ensure a better world for future generations, you selfish prick.

You argument is nothing more than a false dichotomy. It is logically equivalent to stating that a person who commits a minor crime like jaywalking or shoplifting should have no objections to the laws prohibiting rape and murder from being revoked. And your argument is equally stupid and is only persuasive to fools.

Ironman says

Speaking of evidence, you got that Bin Laden being killed video yet?

Thanks for proving my point from this post

Strategist says

Anyone who thinks executing Osama Bin Laden was wrong, is a fucking idiot

Osama bin Laden is now a martyr to hundreds of millions of Muslims rather than being locked up and pathetic in a supermax prison. Instead of being a reminder that no terrorist escapes the law, he'll now be a legend, a hero, a martyr, and even a survivor to many as there is no proof of his death and many will use that to their advantage.

You are simply wrong. Keeping Osama in prison would have been a deterrent to terrorism. Instead, Obama granted Osama immortality. Idiots often think the rest of the world is idiotic because they fail to realize their own stupidity. You have just illustrated that principle.

Even your butt buddy strategist thinks you're an idiot on this one. He was praising Obama's killing of bin Laden without trial.

I don't need to present any proof to you, and you would accept nothing as proof anyway. All that matters is that to the 99% of people in America who believe bin Laden was killed by Seal Team Six, you sound like a fucking idiot. So I'll keep reminding the world that you think he's still alive. Please keep elaborating on the conspiracy theory you have. You don't sound crazy at all.

No really, I'm talking to the invisible black man in the chair.

dodgerfanjohn says

Leon Panetta had to agree to let Obama do him anally to get the ok to kill Bin Laden.

mystery solved.

Dan8267 says

Yes. The full impact of a presidency is only realized years, even decades, after it has ended. It takes time for the effects of policies to be realized. If you think every effect immediately follows its cause with no delay, then you are truly foolish.

Obamas last 7 years is already starting to realize. A mismanaged foreign policy is showing up it's results. It'll take many years to fix that now.