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@curious2, why do you write such rambling and ciphered essays? Couldn't you just have written

"I think Bob's wife is an MD that that is moving from state to state to avoid malpractice claims. Now explain why you love him so much."

Then maybe I had thought it was worth answering, but probably not.

ADDENDUM: I have no idea why curios2 has this opinion about Bob. It seems very unlikely that there is any truth to it. It was perhaps an unfortunate example to use as to how little information there is in the rambles of curious2.

If people gave a crap about the health of others, or even themselves, they'd bone up on nutrition and realize that the simplest way to improve the health of all, is thru nutrition. I loathe all the shitty apples to oranges comparisons I've read over the ppaca debated years (imagine half of your mechanics customers stiffing him on the bill and you picking up the tab LOL), but if you're an analogy type of person,,,,,,the western diet suggested by the usfedgov insists that people put gasoline mixed with sugar into their diesel fuel tank. And then let's all flail about like idiots when the car is destined to the mechanic for repairs so costly it may as well be totalled

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CaptainShuddup says

Fuck the poor, they can like the floor like the rest of us, when they get a tummy ache.

Call it Crazy says

Rah Rah Rah.... Blue Team, Blue Team, Blue Team....

That's why....

Yes, but then the question becomes, with an awful policy that affects everyone and polls at -10, how does Blue Team continue to win elections, and the answer to that question is because Red Team is even worse. Red Team campaigned on policies that poll around -40. I think probably only 20% think honestly about what's going on, and the remaining 80% repeat whatever their tribal leaders tell them.

Homeboy says

"sugar in the gas tank"?

Subsidized corn and dairy and the resulting subsidized "food" that you buy at McD's and other fast "food" places, fattening you up for your SSRIs. Oh wait, you ignore me, so nevermind, eat up.

errc says

You actually had the gall to suggest that poor people would opt to die of illness for fear of hospital bills?

I have personal experience with this.

My brother has a series of symptoms that are extremely alarming. He is barely scraping by, with some help, has been living in his car some. If I had them, I'd be at a doctor immediately. He has no insurance and would have had to pay out of pocket for what could be quite serious so he just doesn't go and tried to pretend it's not there. He's been living from dayjob to dayjob, and TRYING to get a real job. He won't go to the ER because he's afraid of what he'd find out, and he's paranoid that any employers he has applied to, might get word through his smalltown grapevine that he's got health problems. Because you know in an ER, you have to explain to a whole lot more random staffers what is going on with you.

In case anyone is thinking about starting a thread about "Straw Man cowardly deleting posts", go ahead, but the only stuff I cleaned up was, IMO, useless bickering and personal attacks which added no value to the discussion.

I'm just curious - which part of that, exactly, is "sugar in the gas tank"?

USDA recommendations:

"A healthy eating pattern emphasizes nutrient dense foods such as whole grains"

We all know that they ditched the food pyramid, which suggested the majority of ones diet be comprised of breads,grains, and cereal,,,,for the modern version of pretty much the same thing, choose my plate.gov.

Grains are the sugar in the gas tank, science tells us so

errc says

USDA recommendations:

"A healthy eating pattern emphasizes nutrient dense foods such as whole grains"

That's not recommendations plural it's recommendation singular. You left out the other 14 items they recommend that aren't grains. Are you actually trying to make a point or just spewing your ideology fixation.

The old pyramid suggested that grains should be the majority of what you eat. The scientific consensus changed on that, so they changed the pyramid.

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What was it that "consensus science" found out, that they didn't know before, that led them to suggest eating less grains? Was there something bad about consuming all that bread and grains?

Consensus science lol!

I don't know the first thing about Atkins. I've never read any of those books, nor do I know what they say about nutrition, so don't put words in my mouth

justme says

The question remains, why do the right-wingers only hate healthcare for the poor?

That was never the question. You are either using your own private definitions of those words, or merely lying. A better question would be, why do people who insist on butchering and poisoning the poor, as lucratively as possible, call themselves liberal? Do they think that word sounds better than what they really are, or is it a false flag attack? Here we have data showing once again that increased spending isn't helping, or if any of the poor did coincidentally benefit then that was offset by so much harm that their net benefit was zero, and yet some people insist on even more.

Atkins-bot? I've never heard the term. I know what atkins diet is more or less, I just never read any of dr atkins books.

I've answered it plenty of times.

Whole grains is the "sugar in the gas tank"

I also feel that "fat free or low fat milk products" is horrible advice

Lean meats is bad advice

I feel animal fats are to be enjoyed, not avoided.

So there you have it, I've answered all your questions, and you will likely continue to avoid mine.

"More than a third of health-care spending may be wasteful in Massachusetts, where costs are among the highest in the nation, a state report released on Wednesday said.

Main drivers of excess spending included patients returning to hospitals for preventable reasons and emergency-room visits that better primary care could have warded off, the state’s Health Policy Commission concluded, citing data from 2012."

Implementation of Romneycare began in 2006, and is going national this year. In fairness to Massachusetts though, the National Academies' Institute of Medicine reported 30% waste nationwide based on numbers from 2009. These percentages reflect only what the institutions could prove; the total of waste, fraud, and abuse more likely exceeds 50%.

errc says

The old pyramid suggested that grains should be the majority of what you eat. The scientific consensus changed on that, so they changed the pyramid.

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What was it that "consensus science" found out, that they didn't know before, that led them to suggest eating less grains? Was there something bad about consuming all that bread and grains?

Consensus science lol!

So, the bottom line is: another supposed benefit of of ACA - reduced ER visits by uninsured was a lie. They either didn't have data to support that claim, or deliberately deceived the public. Would it pass if it was known then?

Straw Man says

Would it pass if it was known then?

It was known then. The legislative "debates" were nearly a fact free zone, the public verbiage being irrelevant. Both major parties made up whatever nonsense they thought would fool the base. In the House, one representative after another stood up and read verbatim the same talking points as the one before, to get onto the local news. PhRMA bought the national news (count the ads and see for yourself who's paying those pied pipers), as part of a secret deal the White House initially denied but then admitted, in exchange for hundreds of billions in federal $$$. The federal government spewed propaganda across the airwaves and the web ("healthcare.gov"). Even with all that, the policy polled around negative 10 anyway. All that really mattered was the fix, the vig, who got what kickback and revolving door patronage.

Straw Man says

the only stuff I cleaned up was, IMO, useless bickering and personal attacks which added no value to the discussion.

That's fine, it's your thread, but in my opinion you could have deleted this one also. You deleted my reply, which explained his motive, but left the provocation. (That troll has a long history of drive-by sarcastic strawmen; when he tries to buzz me, I swat him like a fly, but he returns whenever he senses heat from another direction, hoping for a chance to pile on. Some trolls have an adrenaline addiction, they need to fight, and that one needs to boast about driving 80mph sideways, anything for another fix of adrenaline.) You can delete this comment also if you want. Here on this forum we merely exchange anonymous words in the ether; we're not actually legislating over other people's lives.

Put my man Christie in the White House, and emergency rooms will be limited to foot traffic.

HydroCabron is Kochel 271 says

Put my man Christie in the White House, and emergency rooms will be limited to foot traffic.

No need to distract him with executive power, just lay him across the receiving bay, mouth open, so the EMTs can spring the gurneys and pop the patients into his mouth. Think Newman as the cleaner, in Seinfeld.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/qRTBVPgHM3Y

curious2 says

That's fine, it's your thread, but in my opinion you could have deleted this one also.

I agree. I missed it. It's gone now.

HydroCabron is Kochel 271 says

Put my man Christie in the White House, and emergency rooms will be limited to foot traffic.

Walking is good for ya!