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Ceffer says

It's a problem that can only be diminished, not eliminated. Selective executions would certainly help curtail, but would also glamorize the 'rebel' attractions of drug use. There wouldn't be as many Billys and Janes kids croaking in the suburbs.

Does this apply to chronic alcohol abuse as well ? Binge drinking, family abuse, effects on work, etc. etc. - if you want to talks costs and $$$ on a detrimental effect on the country, alcohol would be a nice place to look but then tax revenues would take a hit

richwicks says

The US government and intelligence agencies are the biggest drug traffickers. Until you realize this, they will remain in this position.

They give the seal of approval to the Distilled Spirits Industry now don't they ?

FYI - alcohol is classified as a drug, a depressant

AmericanKulak says

Addicts get one or two rehab chances, then swing

Same for alcoholics ? What about those supplying alcohol to underage consumers ? This would include well meaning parents who want to supervise the little tykes at home with safe drinking

AmericanKulak says

Frankly, we could have Methhead hunting permits, with .22LR permitted for added fun

How about alcoholic and problem drinker hunting with anything that will do the job ?

Probably a good opportunity to rid yourself of some pesky in-laws and other family members not to mention an ex spouse or two or three and those bothersome co-workers.

The number of young offenders in Singapore fell by 43 per cent over the past decade, though more of them are now involved in drug abuse and sexual offences.

A new report on youth delinquency has found that the number of young drug abusers rose by 10 per cent between 2016 and 2020, while sexual offences, such as outrage of modesty and rape, committed by youth rose by 49 per cent in the same period.

First-time drug abusers accounted for 75 per cent of young drug abuse arrests, while the number of repeat young drug abusers more than doubled between 2016 and 2020.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/more-youth-involved-in-drug-abuse-and-sexual-offences-even-as-juvenile-crime-rate-falls-43

RWSGFY says

False equivalense. Drug addicts are the zombies which libby fucks call "homeless" and spend shitload of public money on. They also commit outsized number of petty crimes to get money for their habit, turning wast areas uninhabitable for normal folks.

You know I'm from California, and I can tell you for a fact, we spend shit-tons of money on stupid stuff besides drug addicts. At the national level more money goes to proxy wars in Ukra... err money laundering. I mean you're talking about fucking government. Their job is to steal and waste your money. None of that has shit to do with health, or people's choice to use drugs, Anderton.

Government would still waste your money without drug addicts, and you'd still have petty criminals and petty crimes. Deal with the root cause instead of picking on people struggling with addiction. Or slap a DEA vest on and throw some flash bang grenades through a toddlers window, up to you..

By substance, about one in three abusers of narcotics will become addicts. One in five alcohol users will be on the road to alcoholism (about sixty percent of the population drink on a regular basis, about forty percent either don't like it or are teetotalers for various reasons). One in two crack smokers will become addicts, with meth not far behind. One in two regular consumers of cigarettes will become addicts. About one in three coke snorters (not smokers) will become addicts. Coke use, however, can accelerate tendencies towards alcoholism, because they can drink more without feeling the effects. Chronic marijuana use can addict as well, but the withdrawals tend to lengthy and mild, so there is dysfunction but the politics of use are more benign, as with cigarettes and nicotine.

Cigarette smokers can function fine until the various pathologies catch up with them. However, nicotine causes personality disturbances due to the effect of the drug and the rapidly cycling withdrawals. Nicotine users have short fuses and lowered pain thresholds.

Most of the other addictions (or poly addictions) create a lengthy, sloppy, dysfunctional and increasingly chaotic death walk. Those are the homeless and addicts we see on the streets. Narcotics addicts with pure supplies and clean needles can live a long time with the addiction, as long as they don't shoot the street crap or overdose.

95 to 98 percent of the addicted will continue to use until they die, either as the consequence of the addiction or some lifestyle issue related to the addiction. 85 percent of prison populations are in there due to drug and alcohol related crimes.

Addiction will never be eliminated without a darwinian genetics breeding program and interference in human rights. Also, there are too many things that humans use to change their consciousness to eliminate addiction across the board. The best that can be done is to engage a more or less continuous war to keep the damage somewhat constrained.

Plus, substance abuse is just plain too fucking profitable for the evil segments of society. The Russian government would likely collapse without vodka tax revenues, or finding tax alternatives. Alcohol and cigarettes do much of their advertising now through mainstream programs. You can barely watch a program in which the actors aren't sloshing down drinks, beer or wine as soon as they step across a threshold, or lighting up a ciggy and making it look like a glamorous, optional enjoyment. They are never 'addicted' to cigarettes, and when portrayed as having alcoholic binges, they often spontaneously 'self cure' and 'come to their senses', unlike real life alcoholics, or their alcoholism is portrayed as part of their hero schtick.

Alcoholics buy over fifty percent of all alcohol, and, of course, virtually all cigarettes are purchased by nicotine addicts. 90 percent of alcoholics also smoke.

The pushers and vendors know that with the addicted, you don't have to talk them into consuming. You only have to talk them into the first dose, drink or toke, and the addiction runs them back into rampant consumption. That is why so much effort is put into making the first dose, drink or toke appear glamorous, sophisticated or funny. The first dose is always the portal to uncontrolled consumption in their main customer base. Without alcoholics, the beer, wine and spirits industries would mostly collapse.

NuttBoxer says

Deal with the root cause instead of picking on people struggling with addiction.

What is the root cause?

NuttBoxer says

Government would still waste your money without drug addicts, and you'd still have petty criminals and petty crimes.

The amount of petty crimes is in direct proportion with the number of "homeless" in the area. It's just an easily observable fact. So if gubmint would waste my money on something that doesn't produce so much blight and petty crime I'd be all for that. Meaning that executing drug possessors is a move in the right direction.

NuttBoxer says

You want to get rid of the addicts, it's easy. Love your friends and family, and be there for them, so they never become addicted. And leave the rest of those cunts alone. In a society with completely legalized drugs, the addicts can go hole hog, and kill themselves off much more effectively than any government hypocritical bullshit ever will.

Just because you leave addictions alone, doesn't mean addicts leave you alone. The vast majority of crime, including violent crime, is a result of addiction.

Fatties just kill themselves; but addicts rob, steal, operate heavy machinery under the influence causing maiming and manslaughter, and outright murder.

DD214 says

AmericanKulak says

Frankly, we could have Methhead hunting permits, with .22LR permitted for added fun

How about alcoholic and problem drinker hunting with anything that will do the job ?

Probably a good opportunity to rid yourself of some pesky in-laws and other family members not to mention an ex spouse or two or three and those bothersome co-workers.

I've previously supported 20 year driving bans, an insurance and 50-state and all territories registration blacklist for Drunk Drivers.

Death on the 2nd DUI.

"But how can I get to work"
"Shoulda thought about that before you drove drunk. Move to a city and take a bus"

DD214 says

the prevalence of DSU among lifetime users was found to be 5.5%

That includes alcohol use. What are the numbers without it?

Also, 5.5% is less than the US number, according to the study you're quoting.

RWSGFY says

Lardasses do not do any of that.

Yes, and very few lardasses steal or kill or are impared driving. Many don't litter, nor do they start fires or shit in the street much more than "normies". I've seen some ghetto fat asses flip out at a Popeye's, but chances are they're on more than just Trans Fats.

But Drug Addicts do.

It's naive to think you can solve the drug problem without any regulations. There's a reason you cannot sell deathly poison to somebody as an edible/injectable even if you declare its contents. I am all for legalizing all drugs as long as they can't even remotely kill you in the quantities sold, but only with tough quality regulations. You cannot handle hazardous substances without any regulation. And if you knowingly lace or mislabel/misdeclare the substance you are selling or make the dosage more potent/lethal than regulated/advertised, then you should be severely punished, lengthy prison time at least.

And for drug possession we should bring back forced treatment. This whole "the nazis declared people insane so they can lock then into concentration camps" spiel is tired and old, you can easily prove whether a person is high as a kite, and if they are while committing violent crimes or cannot even remotely function in society without fucking things up majorly. then they need to be locked away and forcefully treated, for their own good. If you do it in your own privacy or wherever else without harming society, keep doing whatever makes you happy.

I think offering addicts either prison with withdrawal and no drugs etc. except what they could cadge in prison, or an alternative, voluntary restriction to areas and living quarters where they are given all the drugs, alcohol and cigarettes they want for free, and as much as they want. They would have to agree to voluntary sterilization and limited medical interventions, and could not travel outside the areas designated. They would be allowed to work to the extent that they are able on campus, and would have recreational opportunities, food and shelter. Overdoses would not have extraordinary intervention. Relatives would have to visit.

Leaving would result in prison with withdrawal. Interpersonal crimes would be punished, but with all the drugs they want for free, they wouldn't have that much motive to commit interpersonal crimes. They pursue the course of their addiction to self euthanasia without involving their destructive paths with non-addicted society.

If you wanted to try to salvage the five to two percent who might 'recover' with sobriety, than they could have a designated number of rounds at rehab and recovery, with recovery facilities on campus if desired.

The basic thing is this sham of reintegrating into society, and all of the feeder crimes associated with abuse, would be radically reduced for the productive, non addicted segments of society. The profit motive for dealers would be severely curtailed when addicts know they can go into the camps and get their drugs for free, and as much as they want.

This will never happen, because the government, banks, intels, Globalists, politicians and their criminal compatriots are all involved with the profits from drug sales and use. They would never institute policies that would reduce their cash flows.

Death penalty for drugs trafficking in Singapore:

Under Schedule 2 of the Misuse of Drugs Act,[106][107] any person importing or exporting more than the following quantities of drugs receives a mandatory death sentence:

1200 grams of opium and containing more than 30 grams of morphine (§5 and §7, (2)(b));
30 grams of morphine (§5 and §7, (3)(b));
15 grams of diamorphine (heroin) (diamo (§5 and §7, (4)(b));
30 grams of cocaine (§5 and §7, (5)(b));
500 grams of cannabis (§5 and §7, (6)(b));
1000 grams of cannabis mixture (§5 and §7, (7)(b));
200 grams of cannabis resin (§5 and §7, (8)(b));
250 grams of methamphetamine (§5 and §7, (9)(b)).
Death sentences are also mandatory for any person caught manufacturing:

Morphine, or any salt of morphine, ester of morphine or salt of ester of morphine (§6, (2));
Diamorphine (heroin) or any salt of diamorphine (§6, (3));
Cocaine or any salt of cocaine (§6, (4));
Methamphetamine (§6, (5)).
Under the Act:

any person who is proved to have had in his possession or custody or under his control —

anything containing a controlled drug;
the keys of anything containing a controlled drug;
the keys of any place or premises or any part thereof in which a controlled drug is found; or
a document of title relating to a controlled drug or any other document intended for the delivery of a controlled drug,
shall, until the contrary is proved, be presumed to have had that drug in his possession.
Furthermore, any person who has a controlled drug in his possession shall be presumed to have known the nature of that drug.[citation needed]

The majority of executions in Singapore are for drug offences. Since 2010, 23 prisoners have been executed for drug offences, while only five have been executed for other offences, such as murder. Death penalty supporters, such as blogger Benjamin Chang, claim that Singapore has one of the lowest prevalence of drug abuse worldwide. Chang claims, for instance, that over two decades, the number of drug abusers arrested each year has declined by two-thirds, from over 6,000 in the early 1990s to about 2,000 in 2011.[108] The validity of these figures is disputed by other Singaporeans, such as drugs counsellor Tony Tan.[109] The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime notes that Singapore remains a transit destination for drug traffickers in Asia, drug seizures continue to increase, and heroin drug use within Singapore is continuing to rise.[110]

One major problem with such laws is the real possibility of somebody putting their drugs into your jacket or suitcase.

One thing about the extremely draconian drug laws is the reluctance to enforce them, and the highly selective enforcement of them. It also invites police bribery and corruption to look the other way. The profit motive behind illicit drug use is just too high to eliminate it. China proved years ago that extremely punitive measures did not stop addicts or sales to the extent they wished, and authorities were often involved in the trades (as usual). Often times, they just use the threat of the penalties to force a cut of the action. Drugs corrupt everything and everybody.

Also, the elites themselves are major consumers and abusers of drugs for their Caligulan lifestyles. The 'little people' see the elites getting off scot free.

I knew a prep school kid whose father worked for the oil companies. He smuggled hash and opium out of Iran in band equipment at a time when getting caught meant extremely harsh punishments and executions. He said the punishments were severe, but the catch and conviction rates were low, so there was little risk. An Iranian exchange student who was, of course, child of elite in my dorm said the same thing. There would be rare punishments, but mostly, everybody who used felt little risk.

Hugh_Mongous says

NuttBoxer says

Deal with the root cause instead of picking on people struggling with addiction.

What is the root cause?

Federal government. Federal government is the largest drug dealer in the United States. Get rid of that, and most problems disappear, because they create the problems.

mell says

One major problem with such laws is the real possibility of somebody putting their drugs into your jacket or suitcase.

This was going through my mind during my last business trip as I was walking through the Singapore airport…

They minimize some of these types of situations by putting cameras EVERYWHERE