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I can’t prove it, but I’m pretty sure it was my 1/32nd Delaware Indian heritage that made me get the hots for my wife who looks like a hot Pocahontas. If she claimed she was full Indian nobody would bat an eye.

Goran_K says

So you purposefully avoid deductions when you pay taxes? You rather give more of your money to the government than keep it in your pocket?

No, I take my deductions. I just don't jump complicated hoops with offshore companies to make sure I pay a fraction of the effective tax rates middle-class families pay.

Heraclitusstudent says

I think nothing could convince right wingers at this point.
Any proof will be rationalized out.

Try finding actual evidence first. This is seriously weak man. 8 generations ago we have a solid maybe?

That makes her claims about racism a flat lie.

The irony is her critics accuse her of taking advantage of fake hardship claims. Now, here she is, further taking advantage of something any European would have in their 23andme report, while claiming 8 generations ago (less than the white american average) somehow proves her claim. Then the ad ends w her lily white family standing proud of their 99.99% white heritage.

Suck it 100% white supremacists, you arent racially speckled like E Warren.

1/256th Indian. Gee, at least she didn't have to go all the way back to the primordial ape to find ancestry.

"White Woman fuck ancestry with forked clitoris!"

Heraclitusstudent says

Hummm, I never took a test but 100% sure I don't have a drop of natAm blood in me. It would find more neanderthal than natAm.

People, it is more complicated that what it looks on surface. I did analysis and it came back as <1% Native American/1% North Asian. I understand N Asian - likely came via Saami from Scandinavia. But all my ancestors are from N. Europe, no one has set foot in Americas before myself, and everyone in last 7-8 generations is documented with respect to birth place etc. Explanation I was able to dig out is that N. Asian/Native American DNA is difficult to distinguish if they are present in trace amounts, so people who have some Asian ancestry are likely to have false positives on Native American DNA.

Seems that Warren case is a wash, we can't really tell, which is most convenient for both sides of debate.

Edit: I think now I can also declare that I am Native American for employment purposes...

Warren and Obama demonstrate that whoring your way into Harvard on dimbulb PC premises is perfectly acceptable for libbies. After all, it IS a gold star.

Ppl, there are NO professors at Harvard Law School (HLS), with pedigree from no name schools like Rutgers Law!

To make HLS's recruiting fair but now retroactive, since Liz's original app was inaccurate due to faulty communications, between her and her parents, Liz needs to attend an LLM program at places like Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Univ of Chicago, Univ of London, Univ of Cambridge, Univ of Oxford, Georgetown, Univ of Penn, and get solid A's or "first class honors", to be re-instated as a Harvard professor.

I suspect that she would not be able to pull it off and thus, needs to be fired from HLS.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

And some Latinos.

These ignorant fools have been brainwashed into thinking they are "Latino" or "Hispanic." If they had any pride in their ancestry at all, they might claim they were Indians. Fucking morons! No wonder a handful of Spaniards was able to take them.

What's the point of awarding some "protections from discrimination" to some alleged member of a minority when in order to show that person belonging to said "minority" an extensive DNA test is required? I mean, if nobody fucking can tell you're a fucking X or Y, why the fuck do you insist on being treated difffently from your average "majority" member?

dr6B says

People, it is more complicated that what it looks on surface. I did analysis and it came back as <1% Native American/1% North Asian. I understand N Asian - likely came via Saami from Scandinavia. But all my ancestors are from N. Europe, no one has set foot in Americas before myself, and everyone in last 7-8 generations is documented with respect to birth place etc. Explanation I was able to dig out is that N. Asian/Native American DNA is difficult to distinguish if they are present in trace amounts, so people who have some Asian ancestry are likely to have false positives on Native American DNA.

There are certainly enough DNA differences to tell, but commercial services like 23andme only look at a tiny fraction of DNA, and are notoriously imprecise. Which is probably why she didn't use one.

Bottom line, she believed her parents or grand-parents and this is such a huge deal in reps minds.

But Trump can lie in obvious ways, accumulate immoral behaviors and conflict of interests the size of Texas, and republicans just don't give a shit.

MockingbirdKiller says

Yeah? So? We learned to do that from the Left.

I'll repeat: she believed her parents or grand-parents. Huge deal!

Objectively: if Warren is "full of crap", Trump is buried under 2 miles of his own crap.

Heraclitusstudent says

There are certainly enough DNA differences to tell, but commercial services like 23andme only look at a tiny fraction of DNA, and are notoriously imprecise. Which is probably why she didn't use one.

Bottom line, she believed her parents or grand-parents and this is such a huge deal in reps minds.

I do not know if she got analysis which is more precise than commercial ones. Also, commercial analyses are apparently quite important for getting a reasonable database of ancestry vs. DNA sequences as many people participate (that is, sequences that show ancestry are actually obtained from commercial databases). May be some more biologically oriented person can explain here.
A conspiracy theorist may ask why she did not use a commercial service?
YUUGE deal is that she might have used xer beliefs to get into affirmative action benefits. Other than that, her beliefs of being Native American or Martian are not really important, at least in my mind.

1/1024 of people saw this test and believed her.

1023/1024 of us saw this test and laughed.

Warren also submitted recipes as "Elizabeth Warren, Cherokee" to a cookbook called "Pow Wow Chow", and apparently copied those recipes verbatim from a wire service.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/dec/01/facts-behind-elizabeth-warren-and-her-native-ameri/

Notice Polifact excluded the big fat "PANTS ON FIRE" from the header.

She also made the bullshit claim her mother suffered prejudice because of her Indian Ancestry. The lady on the right with the clear blue eyes look Indian to you? Or looks like any White Person?

I cant imagine the thought process of .15% native (possibly) equals she is vindicated in claiming familial knowledge of american indian oppression.

So the question is: is her mom both insane and her paternal grandparents racist? Or did she make it all up? I'm gonna guess it's the latter.

FYI: my grandmother's parents made my grandfather prove he was part Indian before they would let grandma marry him. Even today Jewish, indian, and chinese parents HATE it when their kids date generic whities. Why does noone talk about anti-white racism?

dr6B says

Heraclitusstudent says

Bottom line, she believed her parents or grand-parents and this is such a huge deal in reps minds.

YUUGE deal is that she might have used xer beliefs to get into affirmative action benefits. Other than that, her beliefs of ...

People, let's get real for one minute ... applying for professor jobs at places like Univ of Penn or Harvard Law, is not like applying for a job at the Outback steakhouse, IBM tech support, or any other place where one's experiences, going back a few years, determines one's candidacy.

These law schools, esp Harvard, want ALL of their faculty members to have some elite pedigree, regardless of the symposiums, papers published, and public clinical projects. You see, elite Law School recruiting is about brand name to brand name transference.

So sure, if Lizzie went to Univ of Houston BA but later, attended Columbia Law ... sure, she's in the queue for HLS faculty, even if she had listed herself as a white person. In other words, she used a family tale, to advance herself as one of the only faculty members at Harvard Law, with a Native American background because in reality, Rutgers Law namesake wouldn't have even garnered her an interview, nevermind an appointment.

In fact, a Rutgers JD would have forced her to attend a post-graduate law program at Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Columbia. Chicago, London, Oxford, or Cambridge, graduating with First Class Honours plus thesis distinction, to bring her pedigree profile, in line with others opting for a similar tier of jobs.

And yes, this even includes the Trump family where Ivanka would need to pay someone to take her Oxford finals, so that she's get enough A's or "Firsts" on her transcripts, to be a High Honours graduate from Oxford Law. So sure, corruption does exist as Ivanka could donate a $100M, get her Oxford paid off 'First' and be a law professor at Harvard but that's another story for another time.

Heraclitusstudent says

Bottom line, she believed her parents or grand-parents and this is such a huge deal in reps minds.

But Trump can lie in obvious ways, accumulate immoral behaviors and conflict of interests the size of Texas, and republicans just don't give a shit.

Classic whataboutism. ;)

DASKAA says

Classic whataboutism. ;)

Be careful. Saying "whataboutism" is what got many of my posts censored.

This is beginning to blow up big. Actual REAL natives are denouncing Warren as a fake and calling her claims insulting.

CBOEtrader says

Lol, so they are estimating that one of her relatives 8 generations ago was american indian, Haha Haha. What is that, .3%?

I myself came up as 0.3% "East Asian or Native American" on 23andme.

Damn, could have gotten into Harvard with that.

tatupu70 says

Be careful. Saying "whataboutism" is what got many of my posts censored.

Just for the record, I don't ever recall flagging endless incorrect accusations of "whataboutism" just for the "whataboutism."

tatupu70 says

DASKAA says

Classic whataboutism. ;)

Be careful. Saying "whataboutism" is what got many of my posts censored.

Bullshit.

Patrick says

I myself came up as 0.3% "East Asian or Native American" on 23andme.

Damn, could have gotten into Harvard with that.

I'll cut Lizzie a deal, if she can attend one of these LLM programs: Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Columbia. Chicago, London, Oxford, or Cambridge and graduate with a First Class Honours plus thesis distinction.

My senior partner, who was Dean's List at both Columbia and Penn, only got a 2:2 (lower half Second Class Honours) at London's LLM program. And thus, even if he donated all of his earnings to Harvard, he wouldn't be a professor at the Law School, he'd be a visiting scholar or an adjunct faculty member at best.

Sure, if he kept donating millions per year, they might make him a true professor but that's now here or there.

The Cherokee deny Warren is any part of their tribe. She may have 1/1000 indigenous something, which they point out may be north or south american origin, who knows?

I myself find that I am 1/4000 descended from King George; this week I am going to England to claim my throne.

I'm 1/45000th jesus himself.

A blonde Aryan nation type pretending to be native American -I guess that is progress!

Patrick says

I myself came up as 0.3% "East Asian or Native American" on 23andme.

Damn, could have gotten into Harvard with that.

Wait, lol, now that I think about it, it could have either helped or hurt my chances with Harvard:

1. East Asian = bad, too many of those already
2. Native American = good, because some reason

My parents migrated from Europe and I'm too in fact 1% Indian, we all actually are because of how DNA tests work. Anything under 1% is equivalent to 0%

The dems are devoid of human talent.

Trump is making this look easy.

clambo says

The Cherokee deny Warren is any part of their tribe. She may have 1/1000 indigenous something, which they point out may be north or south american origin, who knows?

I myself find that I am 1/4000 descended from King George; this week I am going to England to claim my throne.

Bye bye fauxcahontas.

FortWayneIndiana says

My parents migrated from Europe and I'm too in fact 1% Indian, we all actually are because of how DNA tests work. Anything under 1% is equivalent to 0%

I can't find it right now, but an article I read earlier today says that surprisingly large numbers of Britons have 1-3% Amerindian Ancestry, mostly the result of 19th Century Sailors and 20th Century North American soldiers taking British wives.

The tribal hypocrisy on patnet once again reveals its ugly head. For years the right bitched and moan that Warren lied about her ancestry. Now we know with absolutely certainty that she never lied. How much of her ancestry is Native American is irrelevant. She did not lie 50 years ago when she checked a box on a job application.

Now the adult thing to do would be for all the patnetters who lambasted her for "lying" to apologize and admit they were wrong. But, of course, they aren't going to do that. They are going to grasp at any straw to still demonize her. It's all identity politics here, so they must hate Warren. The cause of that hate is irrelevant. Find anything, just hate her. The alternative would be to discuss issues, and that's dangerous ground to attempt to take.

Meanwhile, Kavanaugh committed perjury, but that's ok because he plays for the right's team. And yes, it was perjury. A devil's triangle is not a drinking game, it's a three-way with two dudes. Gross, but that doesn't disqualify him as a supreme court justice -- sexual assault does. So when someone on the right perjures, no big deal, but if a moderate -- and that's what Warren is (she could easily have even been a Republican back in Reagan's day) -- tells the truth but isn't pure enough Native American, she's a filthy liar. What hypocrisy.

A Devil's Triangle

www.youtube.com/embed/Pi7gwX7rjOw

doik says

she could easily have even been a Republican back in Reagan's day

Turns out she was a Republican before it became an extremist party. No surprise. She's a fiscal conservative and believes in meritocracy. She wants an even playing field so that everyone can succeed based on their own accomplishments. Republicans used to believe in this.

https://mic.com/articles/121553/elizabeth-warren-republican-past-gop

It's not widely known that in the early 1990s, while she was still an academic, Warren was a registered voter with the GOP.

"I was with the GOP for a while because I really thought that it was a party that was principled in its conservative approach to economics and to markets, and I feel like the GOP party just left that," Warren said in 2014.

"They moved to a party that said, 'No, it's not about a level-playing field, it's now about a field that has gotten tilted,' and they really stood up for the big financial institutions when the big financial institutions are just hammering middle-class American families. You know, I just feel like that's a party that moved way, way away."

It's the old saying, "I didn't leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left me." Now the extremists left in the party have to attack every moderate that left the party when it became extreme.

doik says

Now we know with absolutely certainty that she never lied. How much of her ancestry is Native American is irrelevant. She did not lie 50 years ago when she checked a box on a job application.

Wrong. Warren is actually LESS NATIVE AMERICAN than the average American of European ancestry.

"Bustamante, however, didn't compare Warren's DNA against Native Americans who live in the continental U.S., citing cultural reluctance to submit to DNA tests. Instead, he used recent samples from other countries whose populations presumably share a lineage during human settlement of the Americas about 15,000-25,000 years ago."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/elizabeth-warrens-dna-match-is-to-latin-americans-not-native-americans

"“A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship. Current DNA tests do not even distinguish whether a person’s ancestors were indigenous to North or South America. Sovereign tribal nations set their own legal requirements for citizenship, and while DNA tests can be used to determine lineage, such as paternity to an individual, it is not evidence for tribal affiliation. Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong. It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is proven. Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/10/16/why-cherokee-nations-rebuke-elizabeth-warren-matters/?noredirect=on