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Brittany Vasseur, anyother White Chick.
www.youtube.com/embed/mDlYy_8bVjM

First of all, her mom probably fucked an Italian Guy and her dad's a cuck, since she had "no idea" she was Italian but it came back 48% Italian.
Second, one test said she was 8% Ashkenazi, the other test said she was 0.3% Ashkenazi.

She was also, guess what? 1% Native American/Northeast Asian

HeadSet says

Warren's Native American ancestor between six and 10 generations ago, with the report estimating eight generations." is sufficient. After all, she claimed "high cheek bones," her mother being discriminated against, and preferential admittance to Harvard based on being NatAm.

I think nothing could convince right wingers at this point.
Any proof will be rationalized out.
Just like they didn't believe Obama's birth certificate.

zzyzzx says

The DNA findings, regardless of their legitimacy, do not make her eligible for Cherokee Nation citizenship. Nor does the DNA test make Warren eligible to join the Eastern Band of the Cherokee or the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee.

She never asked for Cherokee citizenship or to join the Eastern Band of the Cherokee or the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee, did she?

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

People realize that almost everybody who takes these tests comes back at like 1-3% African American/Native American/New Guinean/Aborigine/Smurf/Nubian/Lilliputian Blood, yes?

Hummm, I never took a test but 100% sure I don't have a drop of natAm blood in me. It would find more neanderthal than natAm.

And some Latinos. Pretty much every single one has 1-3% Black and Ashkenazi ancestry, about the same as Warren is Native American.
www.youtube.com/embed/LCc1N52zSLg

MockingbirdKiller says

Obama has never released his birth certificate...just the BS 'short one' the State of Hawaii let's people use.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/27/obama.birth.certificate/index.html

Just like I said. You can prove whatever you want, right wingers will dismiss it as a lie and forget it.

Heraclitusstudent says

Hummm, I never took a test but 100% sure I don't have a drop of natAm blood in me. It would find more neanderthal than natAm.

You'd be surprised. It's very hard to differentiate some North American Native Americans from Siberians.

I would think millions of Americans whose ancestors arrived before the Civil War probably show ~3% Native American ancestry.

If we counted people who were 3% Ashkenazi or Native America as biracial or accept their claims of Judaism or American Indian, they'd probably make up 15% of the population easily.

MockingbirdKiller says

And who cares about Trump's tax returns?

I do.
Tax evasion schemes used, percent paid, fairness to other Americans...

Heraclitusstudent says

She never asked for Cherokee citizenship or to join the Eastern Band of the Cherokee or the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee, did she?

But she did select the Native American box and she was advertised as the first Native American faculty member, yes?

That no ancestor of her appears on any tribal role or census form going back well into the 19th Century?

Heraclitusstudent says

I do.
Tax evasion schemes used, percent paid, fairness to other Americans...

He's been audited by the IRS and found to be clean.

Why do YOU care? You think the IRS would lie? Have you ever heard of the IRS "not" taking their share?

Legally you need to be at least:
6.25 Percent / One-Sixteenth Blood Quantum (One Great-Great-Grandparent)
https://www.powwows.com/much-percentage-native-american-enrol-tribe/

She is 10 generations behind, which equals to nothing.

Also

The Bureau of Indian Affairs issues the certificate after the individual has forwarded a finalized genealogy. The genealogy must be submitted with legal documents that include birth certificates, documents showing the applicant’s descents both from the maternal and the paternal sides.

Tribes do this to prevent bullshit like Elizabeth Warren from stealing benefits.

I'm sure when Trump was complaining about Obama's birth certificate, that the Obama IRS was totally not giving special attention to Trump businesses and personal tax returns all those years.

Here is an Armenian dressing up as a Native American.
www.youtube.com/embed/Z6E98ZRaU1s

Of the Sarkisian Tribe. (Yes, same family as Anita Sarkesian, variant spelling)

Goran_K says

He's been audited by the IRS and found to be clean.

Why do YOU care? You think the IRS would lie? Have you ever heard of the IRS "not" taking their share?

Tax evasion schemes involving offshore bank accounts or shell companies are not necessarily illegal.
Just not the same as paying your fair share.

Heraclitusstudent says

Tax evasion schemes involving offshore bank accounts are not necessarily illegal.
Just not the same as paying your fair share.

So you purposefully avoid deductions when you pay taxes? You rather give more of your money to the government than keep it in your pocket?

Tell me more about statism and it's benefits.

I can’t prove it, but I’m pretty sure it was my 1/32nd Delaware Indian heritage that made me get the hots for my wife who looks like a hot Pocahontas. If she claimed she was full Indian nobody would bat an eye.

Goran_K says

So you purposefully avoid deductions when you pay taxes? You rather give more of your money to the government than keep it in your pocket?

No, I take my deductions. I just don't jump complicated hoops with offshore companies to make sure I pay a fraction of the effective tax rates middle-class families pay.

Heraclitusstudent says

I think nothing could convince right wingers at this point.
Any proof will be rationalized out.

Try finding actual evidence first. This is seriously weak man. 8 generations ago we have a solid maybe?

That makes her claims about racism a flat lie.

The irony is her critics accuse her of taking advantage of fake hardship claims. Now, here she is, further taking advantage of something any European would have in their 23andme report, while claiming 8 generations ago (less than the white american average) somehow proves her claim. Then the ad ends w her lily white family standing proud of their 99.99% white heritage.

Suck it 100% white supremacists, you arent racially speckled like E Warren.

1/256th Indian. Gee, at least she didn't have to go all the way back to the primordial ape to find ancestry.

"White Woman fuck ancestry with forked clitoris!"

Heraclitusstudent says

Hummm, I never took a test but 100% sure I don't have a drop of natAm blood in me. It would find more neanderthal than natAm.

People, it is more complicated that what it looks on surface. I did analysis and it came back as <1% Native American/1% North Asian. I understand N Asian - likely came via Saami from Scandinavia. But all my ancestors are from N. Europe, no one has set foot in Americas before myself, and everyone in last 7-8 generations is documented with respect to birth place etc. Explanation I was able to dig out is that N. Asian/Native American DNA is difficult to distinguish if they are present in trace amounts, so people who have some Asian ancestry are likely to have false positives on Native American DNA.

Seems that Warren case is a wash, we can't really tell, which is most convenient for both sides of debate.

Edit: I think now I can also declare that I am Native American for employment purposes...

Warren and Obama demonstrate that whoring your way into Harvard on dimbulb PC premises is perfectly acceptable for libbies. After all, it IS a gold star.

Ppl, there are NO professors at Harvard Law School (HLS), with pedigree from no name schools like Rutgers Law!

To make HLS's recruiting fair but now retroactive, since Liz's original app was inaccurate due to faulty communications, between her and her parents, Liz needs to attend an LLM program at places like Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Univ of Chicago, Univ of London, Univ of Cambridge, Univ of Oxford, Georgetown, Univ of Penn, and get solid A's or "first class honors", to be re-instated as a Harvard professor.

I suspect that she would not be able to pull it off and thus, needs to be fired from HLS.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

And some Latinos.

These ignorant fools have been brainwashed into thinking they are "Latino" or "Hispanic." If they had any pride in their ancestry at all, they might claim they were Indians. Fucking morons! No wonder a handful of Spaniards was able to take them.

What's the point of awarding some "protections from discrimination" to some alleged member of a minority when in order to show that person belonging to said "minority" an extensive DNA test is required? I mean, if nobody fucking can tell you're a fucking X or Y, why the fuck do you insist on being treated difffently from your average "majority" member?

dr6B says

People, it is more complicated that what it looks on surface. I did analysis and it came back as <1% Native American/1% North Asian. I understand N Asian - likely came via Saami from Scandinavia. But all my ancestors are from N. Europe, no one has set foot in Americas before myself, and everyone in last 7-8 generations is documented with respect to birth place etc. Explanation I was able to dig out is that N. Asian/Native American DNA is difficult to distinguish if they are present in trace amounts, so people who have some Asian ancestry are likely to have false positives on Native American DNA.

There are certainly enough DNA differences to tell, but commercial services like 23andme only look at a tiny fraction of DNA, and are notoriously imprecise. Which is probably why she didn't use one.

Bottom line, she believed her parents or grand-parents and this is such a huge deal in reps minds.

But Trump can lie in obvious ways, accumulate immoral behaviors and conflict of interests the size of Texas, and republicans just don't give a shit.

MockingbirdKiller says

Yeah? So? We learned to do that from the Left.

I'll repeat: she believed her parents or grand-parents. Huge deal!

Objectively: if Warren is "full of crap", Trump is buried under 2 miles of his own crap.

Heraclitusstudent says

There are certainly enough DNA differences to tell, but commercial services like 23andme only look at a tiny fraction of DNA, and are notoriously imprecise. Which is probably why she didn't use one.

Bottom line, she believed her parents or grand-parents and this is such a huge deal in reps minds.

I do not know if she got analysis which is more precise than commercial ones. Also, commercial analyses are apparently quite important for getting a reasonable database of ancestry vs. DNA sequences as many people participate (that is, sequences that show ancestry are actually obtained from commercial databases). May be some more biologically oriented person can explain here.
A conspiracy theorist may ask why she did not use a commercial service?
YUUGE deal is that she might have used xer beliefs to get into affirmative action benefits. Other than that, her beliefs of being Native American or Martian are not really important, at least in my mind.

1/1024 of people saw this test and believed her.

1023/1024 of us saw this test and laughed.

Warren also submitted recipes as "Elizabeth Warren, Cherokee" to a cookbook called "Pow Wow Chow", and apparently copied those recipes verbatim from a wire service.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/dec/01/facts-behind-elizabeth-warren-and-her-native-ameri/

Notice Polifact excluded the big fat "PANTS ON FIRE" from the header.

She also made the bullshit claim her mother suffered prejudice because of her Indian Ancestry. The lady on the right with the clear blue eyes look Indian to you? Or looks like any White Person?

I cant imagine the thought process of .15% native (possibly) equals she is vindicated in claiming familial knowledge of american indian oppression.

So the question is: is her mom both insane and her paternal grandparents racist? Or did she make it all up? I'm gonna guess it's the latter.

FYI: my grandmother's parents made my grandfather prove he was part Indian before they would let grandma marry him. Even today Jewish, indian, and chinese parents HATE it when their kids date generic whities. Why does noone talk about anti-white racism?

dr6B says

Heraclitusstudent says

Bottom line, she believed her parents or grand-parents and this is such a huge deal in reps minds.

YUUGE deal is that she might have used xer beliefs to get into affirmative action benefits. Other than that, her beliefs of ...

People, let's get real for one minute ... applying for professor jobs at places like Univ of Penn or Harvard Law, is not like applying for a job at the Outback steakhouse, IBM tech support, or any other place where one's experiences, going back a few years, determines one's candidacy.

These law schools, esp Harvard, want ALL of their faculty members to have some elite pedigree, regardless of the symposiums, papers published, and public clinical projects. You see, elite Law School recruiting is about brand name to brand name transference.

So sure, if Lizzie went to Univ of Houston BA but later, attended Columbia Law ... sure, she's in the queue for HLS faculty, even if she had listed herself as a white person. In other words, she used a family tale, to advance herself as one of the only faculty members at Harvard Law, with a Native American background because in reality, Rutgers Law namesake wouldn't have even garnered her an interview, nevermind an appointment.

In fact, a Rutgers JD would have forced her to attend a post-graduate law program at Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Columbia. Chicago, London, Oxford, or Cambridge, graduating with First Class Honours plus thesis distinction, to bring her pedigree profile, in line with others opting for a similar tier of jobs.

And yes, this even includes the Trump family where Ivanka would need to pay someone to take her Oxford finals, so that she's get enough A's or "Firsts" on her transcripts, to be a High Honours graduate from Oxford Law. So sure, corruption does exist as Ivanka could donate a $100M, get her Oxford paid off 'First' and be a law professor at Harvard but that's another story for another time.

Heraclitusstudent says

Bottom line, she believed her parents or grand-parents and this is such a huge deal in reps minds.

But Trump can lie in obvious ways, accumulate immoral behaviors and conflict of interests the size of Texas, and republicans just don't give a shit.

Classic whataboutism. ;)

DASKAA says

Classic whataboutism. ;)

Be careful. Saying "whataboutism" is what got many of my posts censored.

This is beginning to blow up big. Actual REAL natives are denouncing Warren as a fake and calling her claims insulting.

CBOEtrader says

Lol, so they are estimating that one of her relatives 8 generations ago was american indian, Haha Haha. What is that, .3%?

I myself came up as 0.3% "East Asian or Native American" on 23andme.

Damn, could have gotten into Harvard with that.

tatupu70 says

Be careful. Saying "whataboutism" is what got many of my posts censored.

Just for the record, I don't ever recall flagging endless incorrect accusations of "whataboutism" just for the "whataboutism."