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joeyjojojunior says

You clearly missed Bob's point. Where does it say "free" lawyer? It says they have the right to a lawyer if they wish (and can afford one).

Or if a free one volunteers from a Corporate/Foreign Government Backed ethnic special interest group like La Raza and CAIR. No, non-citizen, non-residents without a Visa or otherwise denied (a Visa does not guarantee entry, ie if you have Buboes all over your body and present your visa at Entry, you ain't getting in), can leave and petition the court back HOME. I have no problem with Skype hearings from Mexico.

WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Senator Kamala D. Harris, a member of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs, introduced her first piece of legislation today, the Access to Counsel Act, to ensure that those held or detained while attempting to enter the United States, whether at a border crossing or a port of entry, be guaranteed access to legal counsel.

There's also funding of immigration training for public defenders, for the Gov. Moonbeam's explicit purpose of helping criminal aliens not be deported if found guilty.

https://www.harris.senate.gov/content/following-muslim-ban-detentions-senator-harris-introduces-first-bill-guarantee-access

Guranteed access doesn't equal free lawyer.

Do you know what access means?

joeyjojojunior says

Guranteed access doesn't equal free lawyer.

Volunteers from The Race, Sieg Heil! or CAIR aren't free?

How about millions in training public defenders in immigration law to help their accused criminals evade deportation if convicted - on the taxpayers dime?

Wow, Sales Taxes go a long long way. Maybe CA can get rid of the state income tax, sales taxes pay for just so much.

I'm sure volunteers are free. That's pretty much the definition of volunteer. But it has nothing to do with a law that guarantees access.

I'll ask again--do you know what access means?

joeyjojojunior says

I'm sure volunteers are free. That's pretty much the definition of volunteer. But it has nothing to do with a law that guarantees access.

I'll ask again--do you know what access means?

Shessh, man, from the bill's own author's Senate website:

WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Senator Kamala D. Harris, a member of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs, introduced her first piece of legislation today, the Access to Counsel Act, to ensure that those held or detained while attempting to enter the United States, whether at a border crossing or a port of entry, be guaranteed access to legal counsel.

https://www.harris.senate.gov/content/following-muslim-ban-detentions-senator-harris-introduces-first-bill-guarantee-access

Why you on the side of multinational corporations looking to crush wages?

"Why you on the side of multinational corporations looking to crush wages?"

I'm not. I'm just trying to teach you what the word "access" means.

joeyjojojunior says

I'm not. I'm just trying to teach you what the word "access" means.

And I'm trying to teach you "Guaranteed".

Great--so what does guaranteed access in this sentence mean then?

(hint--it has nothing to do with the word "free")

joeyjojojunior says

Great--so what does guaranteed access in this sentence mean then?

It means non-citizens will be able to hang out at airports with their deportation delayed until their CAIR/La Raza appointed free volunteer lawyer shows up, guaranteeing them on the spot second-guessing of the executive branch DHS in each and every denied entry by the Judiciary.

Even though they are neither citizens nor residents but total foreigners.

"It means non-citizens will be able to hang out at airports with their deportation delayed until their CAIR/La Raza appointed free volunteer lawyer shows up, guaranteeing them on the spot second-guessing of the executive branch DHS in each and every denied entry by the Judiciary."

Bzzt. I'm sorry, that is incorrect.

Really? They won't be guaranteed access to counsel? Meaning that the judiciary - explicitly empowered by the Legislature - is going to wait to have the hearing until their guaranteed access volunteer lawyer shows up.

"Really? They won't be guaranteed access to counsel? Meaning that the judiciary - explicitly empowered by the Legislature - is going to wait to have the hearing until their guaranteed access volunteer lawyer shows up."

Again you're tripped up by the word access. That means if they have counsel, they have the right to access him/her. If they don't have counsel, they have no rights. If there is no volunteer, then they have nothing.

joeyjojojunior says

Again you're tripped up by the word access. That means if they have counsel, they have the right to access him/her. If they don't have counsel, they have no rights. If there is no volunteer, then they have nothing.

It means they have **guaranteed** access to counsel. If they call CAIR from entry and ask for a lawyer, they have to wait until counsel shows up before they can be deported.

Has no chance of passage, unless Graham and McCain convince a few other neocons to side with the Democrats.

"It means they have *guaranteed* access to counsel. If they call CAIR from entry and ask for a lawyer, they have to wait until counsel shows up before they can be deported."

Only if they have a CAIR lawyer.

joeyjojojunior says

Only if they have a CAIR lawyer.

Okay, so they have to have a CAIR lawyer lined up before they reach entry, before they board the plane in Al-Kuffarkillastan for Kennedy?

Hmmm, I don't see that anywhere.

The way it's explained by the AUTHOR HERSELF suggests any entrant being held for further processing or otherwise detained can access a lawyer.

Does that mean if DHS Finishes fast enough and bundles an entrant off back to Ali Baba Land before the lawyer is called, they're okay?

If so, what does "Guaranteed Access" mean?

"Where is my CAIR appointed lawyer?"

"Fine Ma'am, we are calling him"

"Well, Mr. DHS Supervisor, you can't show anything other than she is a Muslim who went to a certain mosque. Poor newlywed woman and her husband - Everything is in order. Now, are you going to let her in or do you want us to get an injunction and sue your ass off for denying this poor young bride entry?"

T L Lipsovich says

The way it's explained by the AUTHOR HERSELF suggests any entrant being held for further processing or otherwise detained can access a lawyer.

Does that mean if DHS Finishes fast enough and bundles an entrant off back to Ali Baba Land before the lawyer is called, they're okay?

If so, what does "Guaranteed Access" mean?

You rapidly becoming becoming TPB level stupid. Not a good look.

It's really simple and easily understood language. They can call a lawyer if they want to. What ever lawyer they please. There is nothing about free, there is nothing about government provided lawyer. They are guaranteed that they can call a lawyer. It's truly not hard to grasp.

My last contribution at attempting to educate the wilfully ignorant on the meaning of words than any not too bright 4th grader would have no trouble understanding.

"We can solve terrorism by not importing MENA dwellers without extreme vetting and denying them on the least red flag:
* attending Terrorist-Linked Red Mosque in Pakistan
* or that Ultra-Wahabi Girl's School in Saudi Arabia she also attended
* Or coming from a country with recent and ongoing rampant sectarian violence, unless they are a member of a minority group being actively oppressed"

Solve? I highly doubt it.

Working to prevent high-profile terrorist attacks is a necessary component of legitimacy of a democratic government. The the people are being protected by their democratic government.

When the government poo-pooh concerns about foreigners and foreign-influenced terrorism, people begin to think their government is prioritized for somebody else, perhaps people with interests in keeping wide-open borders, or good relations with extremist countries like Saudi Arabia.

This is often done openly as these pooh-poohers actively promote an ideology of open borders at all hazards with no restrictions and extra legal protections for non-citizen, non-resident, even non-immigrant visitors (the later is people who expressly have a "tourist" or "student" visa).

It's the same deal with "Punch Nazis in the face" for being radical right-wingers who want to impose a totalitarian regime.

If that's okay, then it's okay for me to punch women in Burkas, since by definition only radical right-wingers who want to impose a totalitarian theocratic regime wear Burkas.

Nevermind that the Nazi Punchers have such great "Nazidar" they burned a Muslim Immigrant's limo in DC, and knocked out a Syrian Shi'a at Berkeley

joeyjojojunior says

Solve? I highly doubt it.

But we sure can help prevent it. It's like the Wall. It won't be 100% effective - absolutely nothing in the world is 100% effective except your eventual death for some reason - but it will greatly impede illegal immigration and drug smuggling.

T L Lipsovich says

confusing accident with intent.

However many people may have died in a bathtub last year, it is very unlikely that bathtubs are conspiring to kill us all next year. Many Muslims are, in fact, conspiring to kill as many of us as possible ASAP. Islam hates us. The more people spread Islam, the more likely it becomes that believers will have an opportunity to teach their children to kill your children. Islam makes everyone worse off. Spreading Islam makes everyone worse off. I lose patience with the phony compassion and pretentious "courage" of people who try to signal bravery and virtue by importing Islam. They're putting other people in harm's way, and for the sole purpose of spreading a hateful fraud. If they gave a damn about the Muslim refugees they pretend to be helping, they'd stop bombing and invading their home countries and maybe provide shelter near their home countries and education to free them from the hateful fraud of Islam. The virtue signalers don't really care about the Muslims, they care only about the cherished fantasy of signaling virtue by pretending to help. A Petrodollar-driven combination of media channels, politicians, and trusted think tanks and universities have hypnotized them, creating a mass illusion. As at the recent Berkeley riots, the virtue signalers seem bonkers to everyone else, but they love shouting their outrage and pretentious, phony moral superiority.

Ironman says

It's only 7% that hates us:

In most countries that have Muslim majorities, most Muslims damand Sharia, as Islam commands. Even in Britain, which has only 5% Muslims, 40% of British Muslims want Sharia and a majority of British Muslims believe gay couples should be incarcerated or killed, as per Sharia. So, it's a lot more than 7%. BTW, Sharia says to kill atheists, Buddhists, Hindus, blasphemers, basically everyone who does not submit to whichever mullah has the most weaponry. It is Mohamed's hateful fraud, and it served him during his life, but it should have died with him.