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If you were a terrorist...


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2017 Feb 10, 5:47am   7,457 views  49 comments

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Here's where we are:

Trump signs executive order on travel ban.

Federal courts block it, at least temporarily.

Trump can take it to the Supreme Court where he'll have 5 republican seats to 4 democratic seats. Or he can rewrite the executive order to soften it up.

Are the terrorists more or less motivated to commit an act of terror on American soil amid this controversy here in the USA?

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1   lostand confused   2017 Feb 10, 6:06am  

If you were a terorist, take heed-newly elected senator from-wherelese- CA Kamala Harris's first bill is to provide lawyers to all immigrant detainees-no not citizens, but foreign national wishing to come in. Oh paid by tax payers of ocurse-they should change their moniker from Golden state to land of fruit and nuts.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/02/10/harriss-first-bill-lawyers-immigration-detainees/

2   bob2356   2017 Feb 10, 6:35am  

lostand confused says

If you were a terorist, take heed-newly elected senator from-wherelese- CA Kamala Harris's first bill is to provide lawyers to all immigrant detainees-no not citizens, but foreign national wishing to come in.

Perfect thinking. I can see where you are lost and confused. If I were a terrorist I'm sure the first thing I would do is go to the government and ask for a lawyer.

Citizens already have public defenders. Sorry you didn't know that.

Also sorry you didn't read beyond breitbart first paragraph which totally fucked the story up. I mean everyone knows breitbart is not one of those fake news MSM outlets. I'm sure they wouldn't just print shit that isn't true for political reasons. Never happened. Not once. Never ever.

The bill says immigrant detainees would have the right to access a lawyer on request. It also says they have to be be given water, food, and access to a bathroom. That's it. There is nothing about the government providing lawyers. Immigration proceedings are civil not criminal so people can be held without being able to see a lawyer. Maybe you should actually learn how the legal system works. Na why do that? Knowing what you are talking about would just take all the fun out of it.

3   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2017 Feb 10, 7:32am  

bob2356 says

lostand confused says

If you were a terorist, take heed-newly elected senator from-wherelese- CA Kamala Harris's first bill is to provide lawyers to all immigrant detainees-no not citizens, but foreign national wishing to come in.

Perfect thinking. I can see where you are lost and confused. If I were a terrorist I'm sure the first thing I would do is go to the government and ask for a lawyer.

Citizens already have public defenders. Sorry you didn't know that.

Also sorry you didn't read beyond breitbart first paragraph which totally fucked the story up. I mean everyone knows breitbart is not one of those fake news MSM outlets. I'm sure they wouldn't just print shit that isn't true for political reasons. Never happened. Not once. Never ever.

The bill says immigrant detainees would have the right to access a lawyer on request. It also says they have to be be give...

Right bob, cause the putrid cunt in this video wouldn't demand a lawyer, would she?

www.youtube.com/embed/8fSvyv0urTE

4   lostand confused   2017 Feb 10, 7:32am  

bob2356 says

itizens already have public defenders. Sorry you didn't know that.

Are you just waking up from a coma or just spew garbage non stop?? These lawyers are for non citizens entering the country. No, we can't decide that we won't grant access-now we have to provide a lawyer for them and take it to the appeals court.

Here it is from the horse's mouth-where do you see the word citizen??

Refugees, immigrants, students, and tourists all deserve to be able to access their lawyer in legal proceedings that could change the course of their lives, whether they enter the country at an airport or come across the border,” said Harris upon announcing the bill.

5   Rew   2017 Feb 10, 8:24am  

The answer is: terrorists dont give a shit, but they love that we just got kicked out of Yemen, and they love that our relationships with Muslim countries is embroiled in policy conflicts. Uncertainty, fear, and distrust are things they will be sure to exploit. When Iraq is saying it wants our cluster F diplomacy out, well, what more can you say?

Want to take the stance that "they" were already all terrorists? Turn it to glass?

The real problem here is not whether Trumpian agenda or Dem Kale identity politics won or lost. The country lost this week.

6   NDrLoR   2017 Feb 10, 8:30am  

I hope everyone realizes that if there is an attack while the travel ban is lifted who the blame is going to fall on and it's not going to be Trump.

7   NDrLoR   2017 Feb 10, 8:35am  

Fucking White Male says

putrid cunt

I've seen this before but never get tired of it! Horowitz put her in her place and called her out with her terrorist neckerchief.

8   lostand confused   2017 Feb 10, 8:40am  

Rew says

The country lost this week.

It did, because now we don't have the right to limit foreigners coming in for security reasons. The country lost-because citizens do not have the right to be safe anymore. The country lost, because elected officials cannot keep us safe anymore. The country lost because some stupid judge wearing his robe and never having to face an election-while having a lifetime role and pension -decides for all of us who can come in, when and we can't limit anybody-basically destroying the idea of a nation and borders.

9   bob2356   2017 Feb 10, 8:56am  

lostand confused says

Are you just waking up from a coma or just spew garbage non stop?? These lawyers are for non citizens entering the country. No, we can't decide that we won't grant access-now we have to provide a lawyer for them and take it to the appeals court.

It's true because I believe it should be true. You are certainly a perfect trumpbot. Do you want post the section where the bill says provide lawyers? there is a link to the bill itself on the bottom of the page. https://jayapal.house.gov/media/press-releases/representative-jayapal-and-senator-harris-introduce-access-counsel-act

I'll wait, and wait, and wait while listening to crickets chirp and chirp.

10   bob2356   2017 Feb 10, 8:58am  

lostand confused says

The country lost because some stupid judge wearing his robe and never having to face an election-while having a lifetime role and pension -decides for all of us who can come in, when and we can't limit anybody-basically destroying the idea of a nation and borders.

You are having a lot of trouble with the concept of TEMPORARY, as in temporary restraining order aren't you?

11   lostand confused   2017 Feb 10, 8:58am  

bob2356 says

It's true because I believe it should be true. You are certainly a perfect trumpbot. Do you want post the section where the bill says provide lawyers?

Again -I quote to you what Kamal Harris herself said-this is she saying it.

lostand confused says

Refugees, immigrants, students, and tourists all deserve to be able to access their lawyer in legal proceedings that could change the course of their lives, whether they enter the country at an airport or come across the border,” said Harris upon announcing the bill.

12   bob2356   2017 Feb 10, 9:00am  

P N Dr Lo R says

I've seen this before but never get tired of it! Horowitz put her in her place and called her out with her terrorist neckerchief.

and answered her question, well maybe not at all. why dodge the question of you are having an honest debate?

13   Rew   2017 Feb 10, 9:00am  

You cannot infringe on others legal freedoms just because you are scared.

If the courts believed the government had credible evidence that these countries were newly an immediate threat, that the government had proof of new plots, new dangers, then they would have upheld the order. The government just had to have a strong pretense for it, actually. Instead, they had Trump tweets and language to the counter.

The executive provided nothing further, and argued the court itself didn't have a right to rule or see anything. (Seems this is your argument now.)

I don't blame gun makers for gun violence. Why now am I going to blame a government check on executive overreach for terrorisim.

You guys have gone fear driven bat shit crazy.

---

What's the magnitude of the threat?

They ARE COMING TO KILL US!

Are our current immigration checks enough?

WE WILL BECOME EUROPE! THEY ARE GONNA BOMB US!

Wait? Aren't we still taking small amounts under the toughest immigration vetting in the world?

MUSLIMS ARE GOING TO KILL US! THEY HATE US! WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?

So, a whole ocean separating us, careful controls on who gets in, and to date no attacks? Seems like we have this well in hand, right?

EXTREME VETTING! BAN THE OUTSIDERS! IF YOU EVEN LOOK AT A MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRY ON A MAP YOU NEED TO BE ON A WATCH LIST!

----

That's kind of what the dialogue sounds like. Totally hyperbolic.

14   lostand confused   2017 Feb 10, 9:00am  

bob2356 says

ou are having a lot of trouble with the concept of TEMPORARY, as in temporary restraining order aren't you?

You have a lot of concept with reality don't you. When you put a temp restraining order-how many terrorists, jihdis and unwanted slip in while the robed imams go about their luxury lives waiting to debate and decide??? If this fight drags on-how many more slip in??

15   bob2356   2017 Feb 10, 9:05am  

lostand confused says

Again -I quote to you what Kamal Harris herself said-this is she saying it.

lostand confused says

Refugees, immigrants, students, and tourists all deserve to be able to access their lawyer in legal proceedings that could change the course of their lives, whether they enter the country at an airport or come across the border,” said Harris upon announcing the bill.

I'm still missing where the word provide is in there. Want to try again? The words access and provide aren't synonyms. It's really not that hard to understand the different concepts. Try looking them up in Merriam-Webster or Macmilllion dictionary to clear this up in your mind.

16   lostand confused   2017 Feb 10, 9:05am  

Rew says

You guys have gone fear driven bat shit crazy.

Nah that is your kind due to the insane PC culture. The question is not about citizens-but does the uS have the right to limit non US citizens from coming in for any reason. Do we or not as a nation have the right to limit any non citizen.

If you are a US citizen-I am all in for due process and giving that person every avenue possible. Non citizens-especially those who haven't even come in-NAH-that is the issue-your kind might try and twist it any which way-but not working anymore.

Nothing to do with fear-he should not have even put security concerns-the central question is as a nation do we have the right to limit non citizens from entering our nation. These rulings test the very thesis of our nation, our very country and the idea of the borders-which lefties have been pushing for a while to move into a borderless world.

17   bob2356   2017 Feb 10, 9:08am  

lostand confused says

. When you put a temp restraining order-how many terrorists, jihdis and unwanted slip in while the robed imams go about their luxury lives waiting to debate and decide??? If this fight drags on-how many more slip in??

I don't know. Since you are so knowledgeable on the subject please feel free to document how many have slipped in between 9/11 and trump issuing his order and how many will slip in before the supreme court decides to let the TRO stand or not? I'd be fascinated to find that information out.

18   lostand confused   2017 Feb 10, 9:11am  

bob2356 says

'm still missing where the word provide is in there. Want to try again? The words access and provide aren't synonyms

Are you brain dead -seriously??? In your own link the very first paragraph, it says this" he Access to Counsel Act, to make certain that those held or detained while attempting to enter the United States are guaranteed access to legal counsel."

What exactly does guranteed mean?? It means anybody who enters the uS -airports, border down south and detained by ICE is GUARANTEED access to a lawyer. Now if that is law and they don't have money-what do you think will happen-we have to provide one-to satisfy the guarantee. So any illegal, any terrorist with a bomb will be guaranteed access to a lawyer- paid for by yours truly-taxpayers.

19   lostand confused   2017 Feb 10, 9:14am  

bob2356 says

I don't know. Since you are so knowledgeable on the subject please feel free to document how many have slipped in between 9/11 and trump issuing his order and how many will slip in before the supreme court decides to let the TRO stand or not? I'd be fascinated to find that information ou

Why should I care. These are not citizens and as a country there is no need to let them in-no reason, no stats. This is a battle line between the borderless globalist crowd and the borders and nations are real crowd.

Now if Trump put a rule saying citizens-I would be up in arms-visitors do not have a right to come in and we as a country should ahve the right to bar people coming-not robed imams deciding what is acceptable or not for 300 million plus people.

20   NuttBoxer   2017 Feb 10, 9:16am  

BayArea says

Are the terrorists more or less motivated to commit an act of terror on American soil amid this controversy here in the USA?

So you believe terrorists, who come from countries where we have been waging war for the past 15+ years, give a shit about our travel policies? I think they're a little more concerned with the daily dronings.

21   bob2356   2017 Feb 10, 9:21am  

lostand confused says

Are you brain dead -seriously??? In your own link the very first paragraph, it says this" he Access to Counsel Act, to make certain that those held or detained while attempting to enter the United States are guaranteed access to legal counsel."

What exactly does guranteed mean?? It means anybody who enters the uS -airports, border down south and detained by ICE is GUARANTEED access to a lawyer. Now if that is law and they don't have money-what do you think will happen-we have to provide one-to satisfy the guarantee. So any illegal, any terrorist with a bomb will be guaranteed access to a lawyer- paid for by yours truly-taxpayers.

Guaranteed means just what it says. They are guaranteed the right to get in touch with a lawyer if they ask for it. They can't be held for hours or be coerced into signing anything without being able to talk to a lawyer. It's not all that hard to understand. Give it a try.

You want to provide the statute that spells this out how we have to provide one? Hint there isn't any any such law. I realize that you are really fuzzy on this laws of the land stuff, but there actually has to be a law for something to be enforceable. Just because you believe it's true doesn't make it true.

Still hearing those crickets. Chirp, chirp, chirp.

22   Rew   2017 Feb 10, 9:33am  

The problem with the order was it DID apply to citizens. Many people with dual citizenship got stopped.

The administration said ... Well, it doesn't apply to citizens, trust me.

The judiciary said ... That's cute, but as written here it makes no stipulations. Ruling on the order itself it looks illegal to me.

23   HEY YOU   2017 Feb 10, 9:55am  

The SCOTUS has no power over the most important FREEDOM.
THE RIGHT TO SPEND MONEY WHERE ONE CHOOSES.

One MUSLIM that is banned makes the E.O. a MUSLIM BAN!
It's not a MUSLIM BAN? Then why does it ban a MUSLIM.
But they are TERRORIST? Why do Republicans allow them to live?

Wait! I got it! Muslims are religious followers of ISLAM,IT"S A RELIGIOUS BAN!

24   curious2   2017 Feb 10, 11:34am  

Rew says

So, a whole ocean separating us, careful controls on who gets in, and to date no attacks?

@Rew, serious question, why do you say "no attacks"? Did you forget, maybe carried away on your own false rhetoric? Were you hoping to fool people?

25   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Feb 10, 11:46am  

bob2356 says

The bill says immigrant detainees would have the right to access a lawyer on request

Does Mexico (or Qatar, or Syria) provide free attorneys to incarcerated Americans (or Guatemalans) awaiting deportation hearings at the Federales' (or Sheik's) expense?

Fuck no.

26   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Feb 10, 11:48am  

Rew says

The administration said ... Well, it doesn't apply to citizens, trust me.

The language was unclear as to whether that meant Green Card Holders (residents are NOT full citizens, but do have more standing in fighting deportation courts have ruled). Has been revised.

At NO point did the EO mention Citizens.

27   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Feb 10, 11:50am  

Rew says

The executive provided nothing further, and argued the court itself didn't have a right to rule or see anything. (Seems this is your argument now.)

All the Court did was allow the TRO to stand, declare Washington State's business interest in using foreign PhDs as wage cutting 101 class teachers and TAs, and RICH foreigner's full tuition grasping at State Universities, and affirm (like they do all the fucking time, a million times with Clinton, Bush, Obama executive actions that were contested) the right of judicial review.

Oh, and thereby making some suggestions on how a new EO could proceed.

28   joeyjojojunior   2017 Feb 10, 11:51am  

"Does Mexico (or Qatar, or Syria) provide free attorneys to incarcerated Americans (or Guatemalans) awaiting deportation hearings at the Federales' (or Sheik's) expense? Fuck no."

You clearly missed Bob's point. Where does it say "free" lawyer? It says they have the right to a lawyer if they wish (and can afford one).

29   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Feb 10, 11:59am  

joeyjojojunior says

You clearly missed Bob's point. Where does it say "free" lawyer? It says they have the right to a lawyer if they wish (and can afford one).

Or if a free one volunteers from a Corporate/Foreign Government Backed ethnic special interest group like La Raza and CAIR. No, non-citizen, non-residents without a Visa or otherwise denied (a Visa does not guarantee entry, ie if you have Buboes all over your body and present your visa at Entry, you ain't getting in), can leave and petition the court back HOME. I have no problem with Skype hearings from Mexico.

WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Senator Kamala D. Harris, a member of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs, introduced her first piece of legislation today, the Access to Counsel Act, to ensure that those held or detained while attempting to enter the United States, whether at a border crossing or a port of entry, be guaranteed access to legal counsel.


https://www.harris.senate.gov/content/following-muslim-ban-detentions-senator-harris-introduces-first-bill-guarantee-access

There's also funding of immigration training for public defenders, for the Gov. Moonbeam's explicit purpose of helping criminal aliens not be deported if found guilty.

https://www.harris.senate.gov/content/following-muslim-ban-detentions-senator-harris-introduces-first-bill-guarantee-access

30   joeyjojojunior   2017 Feb 10, 12:01pm  

Guranteed access doesn't equal free lawyer.

Do you know what access means?

31   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Feb 10, 12:02pm  

joeyjojojunior says

Guranteed access doesn't equal free lawyer.

Volunteers from The Race, Sieg Heil! or CAIR aren't free?

How about millions in training public defenders in immigration law to help their accused criminals evade deportation if convicted - on the taxpayers dime?

Wow, Sales Taxes go a long long way. Maybe CA can get rid of the state income tax, sales taxes pay for just so much.

32   joeyjojojunior   2017 Feb 10, 12:05pm  

I'm sure volunteers are free. That's pretty much the definition of volunteer. But it has nothing to do with a law that guarantees access.

I'll ask again--do you know what access means?

33   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Feb 10, 12:15pm  

joeyjojojunior says

I'm sure volunteers are free. That's pretty much the definition of volunteer. But it has nothing to do with a law that guarantees access.

I'll ask again--do you know what access means?

Shessh, man, from the bill's own author's Senate website:

WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Senator Kamala D. Harris, a member of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs, introduced her first piece of legislation today, the Access to Counsel Act, to ensure that those held or detained while attempting to enter the United States, whether at a border crossing or a port of entry, be guaranteed access to legal counsel.

https://www.harris.senate.gov/content/following-muslim-ban-detentions-senator-harris-introduces-first-bill-guarantee-access

Why you on the side of multinational corporations looking to crush wages?

34   joeyjojojunior   2017 Feb 10, 12:16pm  

"Why you on the side of multinational corporations looking to crush wages?"

I'm not. I'm just trying to teach you what the word "access" means.

35   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Feb 10, 12:43pm  

joeyjojojunior says

I'm not. I'm just trying to teach you what the word "access" means.

And I'm trying to teach you "Guaranteed".

36   joeyjojojunior   2017 Feb 10, 12:45pm  

Great--so what does guaranteed access in this sentence mean then?

(hint--it has nothing to do with the word "free")

37   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Feb 10, 12:48pm  

joeyjojojunior says

Great--so what does guaranteed access in this sentence mean then?

It means non-citizens will be able to hang out at airports with their deportation delayed until their CAIR/La Raza appointed free volunteer lawyer shows up, guaranteeing them on the spot second-guessing of the executive branch DHS in each and every denied entry by the Judiciary.

Even though they are neither citizens nor residents but total foreigners.

38   joeyjojojunior   2017 Feb 10, 12:53pm  

"It means non-citizens will be able to hang out at airports with their deportation delayed until their CAIR/La Raza appointed free volunteer lawyer shows up, guaranteeing them on the spot second-guessing of the executive branch DHS in each and every denied entry by the Judiciary."

Bzzt. I'm sorry, that is incorrect.

39   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Feb 10, 1:09pm  

Really? They won't be guaranteed access to counsel? Meaning that the judiciary - explicitly empowered by the Legislature - is going to wait to have the hearing until their guaranteed access volunteer lawyer shows up.

40   joeyjojojunior   2017 Feb 10, 1:23pm  

"Really? They won't be guaranteed access to counsel? Meaning that the judiciary - explicitly empowered by the Legislature - is going to wait to have the hearing until their guaranteed access volunteer lawyer shows up."

Again you're tripped up by the word access. That means if they have counsel, they have the right to access him/her. If they don't have counsel, they have no rights. If there is no volunteer, then they have nothing.

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