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Turnout is the real story here


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2016 Nov 9, 6:17am   14,112 views  66 comments

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Trump got 1.1 million fewer votes than McCain,

2 Million fewer votes than Romney.

Clinton got 7 Million fewer votes than Obama 2012.

#Politics

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17   _   2016 Nov 9, 7:36am  

18   junkmail   2016 Nov 9, 7:39am  

Lol Logan. You have to be the most stupid mofo on here.

Let me get this straight... your takeaway from this election is...

Hillary lost because the turnout was low?

The legacy of this election is a low turnout?

Seriously?

That's your best assessment of this entire 2 year event?

19   missing   2016 Nov 9, 7:40am  

Logan Mohtashami says

I have seen the hard left on the net, they hated her as much as they would hate a Republican.

Because she is a Republicanlite. All the blame goes to the Democratic establishment who ensured that Clinton wins the primaries at all costs. They can't screw us and then expect us to get in line forever. Eventually it had to be put a stop to.

20   _   2016 Nov 9, 7:40am  

Ironman says

Stop listening to Logan..

This might be too complicated for some

2012

Obama 65,915,795

Romney 60,933,504

2016

Clinton

59,344,081 votes (47.7%)

Trump

59,178,831 votes (47.5%)

Trump won even with less votes than what Romney got

21   _   2016 Nov 9, 7:41am  

junkmail says

Hillary lost because the turnout was low?

Logan Mohtashami says

This might be too complicated for some

2012

Obama 65,915,795

Romney 60,933,504

2016

Clinton

59,344,081 votes (47.7%)

Trump

59,178,831 votes (47.5%)

Trump won even with less votes than what Romney got

22   _   2016 Nov 9, 7:42am  

FP says

Because she is a Republicanlite.

This is what all my real left wing friends have been saying and why they can't vote for her

23   Tenpoundbass   2016 Nov 9, 7:44am  

Logan Mohtashami says

Clinton looks like she will win popular vote barely

She wins Popular vote just about the amount of felons that Virgina gave the vote. Just imagine the blow out Trump would have delivered had Obama not made every Immigrant from the last 15 years legal citizens with the right to vote, and a voting booth at the swear in ceremony.

I think it's fitting and wouldn't have this outcome any other way. And to anyone that bitches about the outcome I ask them to look at the electoral map down to the vote by county. The whole country was red except for the select counties in the big Blue states where the deck was stacked with immigrant votegees. Even in those big blue states the rest of the state is solid red.

This election has given me an appreciation of the electoral college. Otherwise LaLa Land California would win every election by giving every American hating freak on the planet the right to vote.

24   _   2016 Nov 9, 7:47am  

Tenpoundbass says

She wins Popular vote just about the amount of felons that Virgina gave the vote

Top 10 population states

California 39,144,818
Texas 27,469,114
Florida 20,271,272
New York 19,795,791
Illinois 12,859,995
Pennsylvania 12,802,503
Ohio 11,613,423
Georgia 10,214,860
North Carolina 10,042,802
Michigan 9,922,576

25   junkmail   2016 Nov 9, 7:47am  

Why you still here?
Weren't you supposed to leave over a month ago?

Why don't you get it over with and drop a link to your latest blog post and take off?

Here's a question Logan... If America is great and the graphs all point up...

Why did America just vote in a guy who intends to change most of it?
hmmmmmm?

26   freespeechforever   2016 Nov 9, 7:47am  

Logan pulled the charts out.

He'll next somehow tie this in to how he's speaking to a 7-member audience about Home Equity Lines of Credit, and stretch this thread out to 288 responses, mostly by replying to himself with those charts and idiotic statements.

27   _   2016 Nov 9, 7:48am  

junkmail says

. If America is great and the graphs all point up...

America is great, always was and will be, sitting Presidents have little power to change something this great...

We are going to be fine...

People are too worked up about Trump.

28   Tenpoundbass   2016 Nov 9, 7:49am  

Logan Mohtashami says

Tenpoundbass says

She wins Popular vote just about the amount of felons that Virgina gave the vote

Top 10 population states

I wasn't talking about the most populated states I was making a factual statement.

29   _   2016 Nov 9, 7:50am  

freespeechforever says

He'll next somehow tie this in to how he's speaking to a 7-member audience about Home Equity Lines of Credit

Well, at least I am not hiding behind a fake name

I mean who does that anymore?

:-)

30   junkmail   2016 Nov 9, 7:51am  

Don't have kids Logan.
Promise me.

31   _   2016 Nov 9, 7:53am  

junkmail says

Don't have kids Logan.
Promise me.

That I can promise you... I will be in The St. Regis Maldives Vommuli Resort on New years eve... I will think about you all when the new year comes and calling out the Recession callers of 2017

32   junkmail   2016 Nov 9, 7:54am  

Also, Logan.
Notice how that guy doesn't have his arm around you in that picture?
Ever wonder why?

33   _   2016 Nov 9, 7:55am  

junkmail says

Ever wonder why?

I know why men like you don't like men like me... I respect that...

34   OneTwo   2016 Nov 9, 7:57am  

junkmail says

Also, Logan.
Notice how that guys doesn't have his arm around you in that picture?
Ever wonder why?

Not sure the purpose of all these digs. He made a perfectly reasonable point. That is a very clear drop in voter participation, and the last election wasn't exactly a humdinger driving people to the voting booths.

35   _   2016 Nov 9, 7:59am  

As a Republican, my party now has 3 branches of the government.

So, maybe we actually do get a infrastructure package done

The question is will there be infighting of the debt, which really shouldn't be an issue our economy plus financial assets are over 125 Trillion

36   junkmail   2016 Nov 9, 8:01am  

Lol. Logan you're in a pissing contest of one.

My kid graduated NYU Stern School of Business in May, now works for CitiBank in the M and A Dept. Just got headhunted to work in his dream hedge fund job, starting in 2 years. I paid for all of that with money I earned, my parents are dirt poor and so was I at the beginning.

Something you can only dream about.

37   _   2016 Nov 9, 8:02am  

junkmail says

My kid graduated NYU Stern School of Business in May, now works for CitiBank in the M and A Dept. Just got headhunted to work in his dream hedge fund job, starting in 2 years. I paid for all of that with money I earned, my parents are dirt poor and so was I at the beginning.

Congratulation on your child's success

38   Tenpoundbass   2016 Nov 9, 8:07am  

The Indpendent Third pary candidates are the real heros in this election. May they gain steam in future elections. I've been sick and tired of 51%-49% bipartisan election results.
I would like to see the day a candidate wins on 31% of the vote.

39   _   2016 Nov 9, 8:10am  

Tenpoundbass says

I would like to see the day a candidate wins on 31% of the vote

3rd party candidates at before

Stein got 1.2 Million

Gary got roughly 4 million

2012: 1.7%
2008: 1.4%
2004: 1%
2000: 3.7%
1996: 10.1%
1992: 19.6%

40   _   2016 Nov 9, 8:13am  

Ironman says

It's nice what a guaranteed paycheck from mommy and daddy can buy!

I have always been curious about this thesis. Something Roberto used to do

Take the stock market out of the equation, it's a commission business not a W2 industry

My net worth is double of my parents now and I am 41 ...

Tsk Tsk

Old man... ( who eats) well

41   junkmail   2016 Nov 9, 8:13am  

Rashomon says

junkmail says

Also, Logan.
Notice how that guys doesn't have his arm around you in that picture?
Ever wonder why?

Not sure the purpose of all these digs. He made a perfectly reasonable point. That is a very clear drop in voter participation, and the last election wasn't exactly a humdinger driving people to the voting booths.

I dig him because he's a self promotion schill and has hide as thick as an elephant. Try it, it's fun.
My attack on him is that of all the takeaways of the last 24 hours only Logan would come up with...
"The real story here is the low turnout..."
That might be worth talking about in week or 2, but no... this is his first salvo.

Logan likes this point because it has big numbers and graphs, and, and did I say numbers already?

Then he can sit here and pontificate on why the election went the way it did...

THE DAY AFTER IT HAPPENED

42   _   2016 Nov 9, 8:14am  

junkmail says

"The real story here is the low turnout..."

Logan Mohtashami says

Clinton got 7 Million fewer votes than Obama 2012.

43   _   2016 Nov 9, 8:16am  

junkmail says

hide as thick as an elephant.

I assure you my ass isn't that big... In December you guys get to see me live...

Are you coming for Pizza :-)

44   MisdemeanorRebel   2016 Nov 9, 8:16am  

The Democrats' lost because they rigged the vote against Bernie and have superdelegates that have as much or more voting power as entire counties full of Democrat Voters. Hillary was up delegates in states that hadn't even voted yet. At least make the undemocratic superdelegates cast the votes at the same time as everybody else.

I can't possibly imagine that surpressing the Progressive Vote had anything to do with tonight.

"Take this Warmongering Wall Street Cow and Like It!"

45   junkmail   2016 Nov 9, 8:19am  

Logan, it doesn't matter what the turnout was... really it doesn't.
I know you're puzzled about how this happened, but that's because you're shallow and think numbers are your best friend.

It's a shame really.

46   _   2016 Nov 9, 8:21am  

junkmail says

Logan, it doesn't matter what the turnout was... really it doesn't.

6-7 million gap in voting in 4 years means the Dems didn't get out to vote.

This is how the Republicans win congressional seats

McCain got more votes than Trump ....

Hard left Dems never really loved Clinton because the progressives don't think she is a true Democrat

47   freespeechforever   2016 Nov 9, 8:23am  

Here we go with this fuckin' Logan-diarrhea-of-the-mouth, run-on-talk-to-himself-thread bullshit again...

...sigh.

48   junkmail   2016 Nov 9, 8:23am  

Logan you're an answer to a question no one asked.

49   _   2016 Nov 9, 8:24am  

freespeechforever says

Here we go with this fuckin' Logan-diarrhea-of-the-mouth, run-on-talk-to-himself-thread bullshit again...

...sigh.

junkmail says

Logan you're an answer to a question no one asked.

Then why are you talking to me ... :-)

50   junkmail   2016 Nov 9, 8:30am  

Because I like kicking you in the crotch hoping to nail even one tiny morsel of a testicle.

51   _   2016 Nov 9, 8:31am  

junkmail says

Because I like kicking you in the crotch hoping to nail even one tiny morsel of a testicle.

fair enough.

Have a wonderful day :-)

52   indigenous   2016 Nov 9, 9:23am  

Pat I'm seeing the delete button again at post #47. The delete button seems to show up on Lip's posts.

53   indigenous   2016 Nov 9, 9:24am  

This election was NOT about voter turnout.

This election was about the government overreach and 16 years of economic decline ensuing from the overreach.

The voters are pissed.

Hat Tip to TPB

54   MisdemeanorRebel   2016 Nov 9, 9:27am  

The #Flakopolypse is the Big Story Here.

My god the #MSM sucks. And it's apparent to everybody. Forgotten is the YUGE Surprise Victory in the face of all Pundits and Elite Wisdom.

55   Tenpoundbass   2016 Nov 9, 9:46am  

Logan Mohtashami says

3rd party candidates at before

Stein got 1.2 Million

Gary got roughly 4 million

2012: 1.7%

2008: 1.4%

2004: 1%

2000: 3.7%

1996: 10.1%

1992: 19.6%

The Liberals started meddling and the media was the DNC attack Dog to keep third party candidates marginalized starting in the 2000 election. It's how Democrats lost me as Democrat leaning Independent, to the stark raving mad Conservative Patriot.
Liberals didn't care who they distanced themselves from. They didn't exhibit any actions to make you want to embrace their policies nor did they alter them accordingly to retrofit their previous demographic. They were morphing into what ever and if you disagreed with that, you were scum. That's hardly a way to win hearts, souls and minds. You can't keep inventing votes out of thin Air. When even the NSA and the FBI were on top of the network traffic to and from the voting centers, to make sure there was no vote flipping. It's a different world today, somethings, many things are going to change. Every American will benefit, but many Americans are going to go though a transitioning stage as they have to readjust to being self sufficient and can create industry for them selves, or work for one of the millions of self starters that will be booming this economy.

56   _   2016 Nov 9, 12:44pm  

Tim Aurora says

Good analysis. Do not listen to the haters

Wisconsin numbers ... which no one thought could go red, even Trump.

Bush 2004 - 1,478,120;
Romney 2012 - 1,410,966;
Trump 2016 - 1,407,401

Dems didn't come out ... Clinton not progressive enough

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