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if the majority feel the system isn't serving them, they will vote for a new social contract. The only theft is the use of finacial advantage to coerce most folks to accept a system where the revenue they create is skimmed off by those who own the capital, and if we are paid enough to raise our children we should bow and scrape and revere our generous benefactors because of all their virtuous investment and nation building

"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." Benjamin Franklin

Very interesting Nomograph. I only recently heard about this program. Where did you find the numbers?

Nomograph says

MILLIONS

Nomograph says

Total $2,824,256

Wow! Like really really Wow!! Almost $3 MILLION (not counting the 11 cents)! MILLIONS!! Duh, what we need is TRILLIONS. Come on Libtoids .... losen up your dainty little purse strings and GIVE until it HURTS!

I think that amount might just about cover the bailout money that maybe just one of the republican governors has taken after saying they never would do such a thing...

According to all unverifiable sources available to me, the Official Give Meter for the Liberals of Patrick.net officially stands at ZERO. Why am I not surprised?

elvis says

The difference is simply this: Most Americans love the freedom of donating to any worthy cause they choose. Whereas liberals want to FORCE others to donate to causes THEY deem worthy.

pretty much how I see it too

Honest Abe says

Liberals however, want to FORCE others to donate to the cause THEY deem worthy…and its not a option.

I don't recall being asked if it was optional for me, to pay for various wars we've engaged in recently. Were those leaders commies? Were those "worthy causes" so worthy? I lose track.

Bap33 says

elvis says

The difference is simply this: Most Americans love the freedom of donating to any worthy cause they choose. Whereas liberals want to FORCE others to donate to causes THEY deem worthy.

pretty much how I see it too

As a liberal, relatively speaking (I know of republicans in the 70s that were more liberal than I am), I can try to give you the other point of view. It's this: markets work, matching up supply and demand. But this does not work with charity, or "a thousand points of light." I would say that liberals know themselves well enough to know that if you essentially bill me for things like veterans benefits, food stamps, and all the countless essential services such as police, teachers, care for poor disabled people, I will pay it. But left to my own devices I will not give enough to pay my share of all of these.

Also, I find the risk of dependency, which may be significant, to be much more than offset by the sort of neutral feel of receiving government help, as opposed to charity, in cases such as food stamps.

marcus says

elvis says

The difference is simply this: Most Americans love the freedom of donating to any worthy cause they choose. Whereas liberals want to FORCE others to donate to causes THEY deem worthy.

pretty much how I see it too

This is nothing more than a transparent justification for selfishness and greed. Liberals are just intelligent enough to understand that.

well ... the base reason for creating a mass governing body is common protection through shared resources (from national level to local level). After protection is complete, then all those fun welfare programs can be started. It just can't be done the other way around. Right?

The bailout thing is welfare. Bush was a liberal spender.
SSI is welfare when accessed by non-payer-iners
free lunch is welfare
Section 8 is welfare
sex change pills for prisoners is welfare
ACLU is unAmerican
NOW hates conservative women
NAACP hates conservative CP's
Nobody ever voted for EPA, IRS, or NEA

Bap33 says

After protection is complete, then all those fun welfare programs can be started.

Fabulous! MediCare is welfare, thus I should be able to opt out of paying for it. Alrighty, because I'd REALLY like to stop paying for the Teabaggers favorite ride:

larrypatrickmaloney says

As we all know now, all our tax money goes to Liberals, and their political friends, and their union friends.

That's baloney Maloney.

Try corporate welfare. Tax cuts for the rich. Haliburton. Questionable wars. Building fake economies built on financial services fees, and credit (which can be traced back to "don't worry be happy, daddy will take care of you" Reagan era). And don't forget paying the interest on the debt that the borrow and spend republicans did in the past 30 years, and the gullible fools who actually bought the whole trickle down philosophy behind all of the "deficits don't matter," thinking of the starve the beast crowd. Hey, let's cut taxes all the way to zero, and government revenues will go to infinity !! It's trickle down economics, gee.

I love you "optional tax" guys.

You end up like that guy whose house burned down, and endangered neighbor property to boot:

http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/Firefighters-watch-as-home-burns-to-the-ground-104052668.html

Let's make paying for military optional, you jump right on that eh? I'll agree to pay my Coast Guard fee and that's about it.

larrypatrickmaloney says

PS: My writing is all my own.

I wouldn't know where to start. Definitely not a "big picture" guy. It is interesting, the different things that we all see to be great about this country.

Freedom isn't that great if you are on the north pole, or the middle of a jungle, or in hell for that matter. Freedom alone doesn't do it. Okay. I get your point. You don't think that our government has served you. I feel the same way sometimes. Just not to the point where I want to stop paying for it.

RayAmerica says

According to all unverifiable sources available to me, the Official Give Meter for the Liberals of Patrick.net officially stands at ZERO. Why am I not surprised?

Geez rayray, I gave a buck to a guy holding a sign that said, "why lie? I need a beer." I thought it was you - yet you don't count that contribution?

You're not getting another beer outta me.

the plan is never to pay the national debt, only service it ponzi style in perpetuity. Inflation is the "taxation" safety valve in case of a need to pay for big shotfalls and screw ups, which is why the wealthy always harp on the size of the debt. simple and effective. the people should therefore fight for their entitlements. only logical

Is there a line item in the 1099 that says something like "additional voluntary donations"? Thats the line the democrats should liberally fill in and contribute to their (bleeding) hearts content...opposed to working so hard to create laws FORCING everyone else to make donations to THEIR pet projects, or to those things THEY deem worthy.

I believe we should add a line on the tax forms and voter registration for "Tea Partier". These people will be denied all government services henceforth, in exchange for not paying taxes. They will only receive "ID" cards not driver licenses, and a special passport class that indicates they receive no assistance abroad if they do some dumbass thing. The reclamation of mobility scooters is an obvious one, but in general they'd need something like a "do not render aid" bracelet so we don't make the mistake of offering them assistance in emergency. The bootstrappy must help themselves.

Vicente says

I believe we should add a line on the tax forms and voter registration for “Tea Partier”. These people will be denied all government services henceforth, in exchange for not paying taxes.

No one in their right mind is advocating "no government." What thinking people are advocating is LIMITED government. Somehow, people like you and the Duck just can't seem to grasp that idea. No wonder the Founding Fathers are scorned on this site.

RayAmerica says

No wonder the Founding Fathers are scorned on this site.

Bad Logic.

You quote the founding fathers--->you are scorned. This does not imply that the founding fathers are scorned.

Marcus, the founding fathers may not actually be scorned on this site. Its just that their policies are continually being eroded by politicians.

Truly, we reserve the scorn for students with knowledge but little understanding.

Piety is not what the lessons bring to people, it's the mistake they bring to the lessons.

Good ideas, those are useful. It's nice to attribute who said it, but past that... converting men into demigods and treating their every utterance like platinum, is not useful.

marcus says

Bad Logic.
You quote the founding fathers—>you are scorned. This does not imply that the founding fathers are scorned.

You are so right. YOU are using bad logic. Your statement is silly beyond anything (well almost) that our little Kevin has come up with. That is really saying something.

OK, since liberals are so intent on leveling the playing field, spreading the wealth, and curing Ameica's problems, lets have them voluntarily raise their income tax by 50%. Lets have them put their money where their mouth is. I'm tired of them putting my money where their mouth is.

If you're like me you'll hide your wallet. If your a liberal, why not get out your checkbook , write a big check to the government, send it in, and leave me out of your stupid, empathatic, manipulative, scheme's. I don't want to be FORCED to donate to the charity of YOUR choice.

Pople like Ray/Abe are TWICE as quick to TAKE ADVANTAGE of government
services. "Keep your hands off my MediCare!", spending is A-OK as long
as it's for YOU and you don't have to pay for it. Like the greedy little kid that
wanted all the best toys on their birthday but OOPS forgot to get nice presents
for anyone else.

If the lib's want MY money for THEIR charity, who is the greedy one?

(BTW, you have never seen me say "keep your hands off MediCare", or any other hand out. Everything, including the military, needs to be put in line so the budget balances. America doesn't have a lack of taxes, it has excess spending - its that simple).

Honest Abe says

If the lib’s want MY money for THEIR charity, who is the greedy one?

Liberals are extremely generous people. They love to give. They feel. They care. They have intense compassion. There's only one problem; all this generosity requires OTHER people's money.

Hahaha - liberal generosity requires OTHER peoples money - haha. That says it all, doesn't it? Well said Mr. America !!

Latest update on the Liberal Give Meter: $ZERO

Latest update on the number of Teabaggers who "Return SS and refuse MediCare":

ZERO

Why return something that has been removed from our paychecks?

I reiterate my offer, to strip you of all rights and privileges of US citizenship, in exchange for not paying any form of taxes. Deal?

I'll give you my answer after you provide proof that you've added $$$ to the Give Meter.

Bwahaha! You'll treat your US citizenship like a bar bet? Oh man this is too rich.

Vicente says

Bwahaha! You’ll treat your US citizenship like a bar bet? Oh man this is too rich.

I'll take that to mean you are refusing to help out your government with a donation.

The Liberal Give Meter (sadly) still stands at $0.00

OK I sent them a cool million, now mail me your passport and all other forms of government identification.

Sorry, frozen stacks of Monopoly money doesn't count. The Give Meter is still stuck on ZERO.

Vicente says

OK I sent them a cool million, now mail me your passport and all other forms of government identification.

Ah, don't worry. They're probably watching him anyway. :)