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What are the ramifications of cutting off 20 million people from healthcare, education, etc....?

I don't buy the claim that there are 20 million illegal immigrants. That oft-quoted number almost always includes children of illegal immigrants who are themselves citizens.

"The Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) continues to bring injured and ill undocumented immigrants to hospital emergency rooms without taking financial responsibility for their medical care.[23] Almost $190 million or about 25 percent of the uncompensated costs southwest border county hospitals incurred resulted from emergency medical treatment provided to undocumented immigrants[23]"

It's a given that illegals are receiving emergency care - but if many are paying taxes as the article states, then part of those monies are being used to fund the non-insured (including illegals). This funding comes from grants, tax write-offs (at billed charges rather than actual costs), etc.

And the question remains, do we allow people to remain untreated for any reason? That's inhumane.
The INS doesn't collect the taxes, the social security amounts, etc that some of these people pay. If the INS had to pay for this medical care we would have to provide them with more funding.

Maybe someone should say that they're holding weapons of mass destruction somewhere, and we can then throw billions of dollars at them like we did Iraq.

Kevin says

I don’t buy the claim that there are 20 million illegal immigrants. That oft-quoted number almost always includes children of illegal immigrants who are themselves citizens.

nope .. invaders dropping their spawn in country are not creating citizens. Sorry. This has been shared in another area on here someplace. In short form, that amendment was for a certian sect of the populous that may have been in country without the benifit of personal choice to do so when they gave birth. The only reason this lie keeps getting tossed around is it is vital to the progressive agenda. "Tell a lie over and over until it becomes the truth" and "tell REALLY BIG LIES instead of little bitty lies, because the sheeple will catch a little lie and hate you, but will easily believe a huge lie". ... we all know who said these things, right?

Zlxr,
I am from a line of servants (on the paternal side) that started their American dream near Boston. On the maternal side they only were allowed on the boat with papers that showed there was a "sponsor" here in the states that would be RESPONSIBLE for everything in their life (no aide from State). The biggest difference was, they all headed this way to become Americans and carry their own load .... not just come here to milk the system. When you see a voting ballot in Italian or German or Portuguese or Galic or Japanees, let me know.

Nomo, you are smarter than that. You are on the wrong side of this particular issue. At no time, and in no way, has an invader, or the spawn of invaders, been a citizen of America. Now, if there is one parent that is a legal resider, then the kid is too. But, if there is no already-American blood in the kid, it is just invader 2.0, and not a citizen. Please do not pretend you do not know the truth just to argue with me. You are much smarter than that and your energy is better used for something positive, like perpetual motion or something.

@BAP33

has an invader, or the spawn of invaders,

Why do you always have to speak in code when referring to Mexicans?

elliemae says

“The Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) continues to bring injured and ill undocumented immigrants to hospital emergency rooms without taking financial responsibility for their medical care.[23] Almost $190 million or about 25 percent of the uncompensated costs southwest border county hospitals incurred resulted from emergency medical treatment provided to undocumented immigrants[23]”
It’s a given that illegals are receiving emergency care - but if many are paying taxes as the article states, then part of those monies are being used to fund the non-insured (including illegals). This funding comes from grants, tax write-offs (at billed charges rather than actual costs), etc.
And the question remains, do we allow people to remain untreated for any reason? That’s inhumane.
The INS doesn’t collect the taxes, the social security amounts, etc that some of these people pay. If the INS had to pay for this medical care we would have to provide them with more funding.
Maybe someone should say that they’re holding weapons of mass destruction somewhere, and we can then throw billions of dollars at them like we did Iraq.

I took note of that fact and the taxes paid seem to more than pay for the services provided. Not to mention the billions of dollars injected into the CA economy through purchases and the resulting billions in sales taxes.

Could you imagine how low our economy would sink if each illegal immigrant decided to leave our state?

Bap33 says

Kevin says

I don’t buy the claim that there are 20 million illegal immigrants. That oft-quoted number almost always includes children of illegal immigrants who are themselves citizens.

nope .. invaders dropping their spawn in country are not creating citizens. Sorry. This has been shared in another area on here someplace. In short form, that amendment was for a certian sect of the populous that may have been in country without the benifit of personal choice to do so when they gave birth. The only reason this lie keeps getting tossed around is it is vital to the progressive agenda. “Tell a lie over and over until it becomes the truth” and “tell REALLY BIG LIES instead of little bitty lies, because the sheeple will catch a little lie and hate you, but will easily believe a huge lie”. … we all know who said these things, right?

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside"

And, of course, http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html

The matter of "under the jurisdiction thereof" has been settled numerous times. It's why we can legally imprison immigrants (though not diplomats, and, of course, diplomats children don't automatically get citizenship either).

Now please drop your xenophobic bullshit.

Twelc, great post, but you forgot to point out that boiling our culture, language and civilization to death is a way for Democrats to get more votes.

Democrats want to turn our countries "safety net" into a hammock.

Kevin says

Bap33 says

Kevin says

I don’t buy the claim that there are 20 million illegal immigrants. That oft-quoted number almost always includes children of illegal immigrants who are themselves citizens.

nope .. invaders dropping their spawn in country are not creating citizens. Sorry. This has been shared in another area on here someplace. In short form, that amendment was for a certian sect of the populous that may have been in country without the benifit of personal choice to do so when they gave birth. The only reason this lie keeps getting tossed around is it is vital to the progressive agenda. “Tell a lie over and over until it becomes the truth” and “tell REALLY BIG LIES instead of little bitty lies, because the sheeple will catch a little lie and hate you, but will easily believe a huge lie”. … we all know who said these things, right?

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside”
And, of course, http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401—-000-.html
The matter of “under the jurisdiction thereof” has been settled numerous times. It’s why we can legally imprison immigrants (though not diplomats, and, of course, diplomats children don’t automatically get citizenship either).
Now please drop your xenophobic bullshit.

no, you are wrong. And, I bet you know you are wrong. So, you can stop your bullshit.

If you want to eliminate illegal aliens put employers in jail. The Bush administration certainly didn't cover itself with glory on this issue, Obama isn't doing any better. From the Washington Post (the numbers haven't improved since this article was written):

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.

In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three"

THREE COMPANIES IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY FINED IN THE ENTIRE YEAR OF 2004. Employers everywhere are shaking in their boots.

If those invaders were wanting to be politicians, bankers, and techies, the fence would already be built.