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Regional Rivarly


               
2006 Aug 15, 6:00am   22,702 views  212 comments

by Joe Schmoe   follow (0)  

By Joe Schome.

To me, one of the most interesting aspects of the bubble is that its effects are felt differently in differnet areas. Not just on a nationwide level -- appreciation has been mostly flat in TX, while prices have tripled in many parts of CA -- but the bubble even affects different regions of the same state in a disparate way.

For example, while the median price in the SF Bay Area is higher than the LA median, I think that SF is nonetheless far, far more affordable than LA.

For example, you can get a 2BR condo in a decent school district like Walnut Creek (average SAT score 1140) for $200k. To get a 2BR condo in an LA school district with that kind of average SAT score, you'd have to spend at least $400k, and probably $600k.

The disparity in SFH prices isn't as pronounced, but there is a disparity there too. For example, as of this posting there are 32 SFH's for sale in the SF Bay Area's best public school district, Cupertino (average HS SAT score 1251). In San Marino, the LA area's best public school district (average HS SAT score 1231), there are 5. Now, Cupertino has roughly two and a half times as many listings as San Marnio and is about four times as populous, so it's not an apples-to-apples comparison, but the fact remains that Cupertino is cheaper. Also -- and this is really important -- SFH's are not the only type of housing for sale in Cupertino. There are 2BR condos in Cupertino starting at $545k. San Marino is zoned solely for single family homes, there is not a single condo in the entire community. The cheapest avaialble listing of any kind in San Marino is a 1,000 square foot 2BR house for $798k.

So viewed in this light, while the SF Bay Area may have a significantly higher median price than LA, it is actually far more afforadble. A middle class, college-educated family not might want to live in a 2BR condo in Walnut Creek, but they can afford to do so if they stretch just a little bit. In SoCal, by contrast, the situation is much worse for middle class families. While there are several $200k condos in Walnut Creek, a place with very good schools, there is not a single 2BR condo listed for less than $200k in Compton, SoCal's worst public school district. Thus, the folks in SoCal are getting squeezed by the bubble a lot more than folks in NorCal.

The bubble is even more intersting in places like NYC. There, a generic 2BR condo in a one of the nicer areas of NYC's Upper West Side will cost you $949k. We're talking about Jerry Seinfeld's apartment here, not a high-end place with a view of Central Park or the river. The upper-income suburbs of New York are dirt cheap by comparison. Private schools are a must. Mehdham, NJ has SFH's starting at $374k; Scarsdale, NY (a city with an average per capita family income in excess of $200k) SFH's start at $600k. Values are all over the map in the NYC area. Clearly, the bubble affects different regions differently.

#housing

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1   Peter P   @   2006 Aug 15, 6:08am  

For example, you can get a 2BR condo in a decent school district like Walnut Creek (average SAT score 1140) for $200k. To get a 2BR condo in an LA school district with that kind of average SAT score, you’d have to spend at least $400k, and probably $600k.

Are there 2BR condos for 200K? In the South Bay (Sunnyvale, Santa Clara) a reasonable 2/2 condo will still cost more than 500K.

In Condotino, a newer, recently converted, 2/2 condo costs more than 650K.

In Palo Alto, a nicer 2/2 condo can cost more than 1.2M.

2   skibum   @   2006 Aug 15, 6:26am  

I'll repost the link to NAR's metro area Q2 price info published today:

http://www.realtor.org/PublicAffairsWeb.nsf/Pages/2ndQtrMetros06?OpenDocument

Median prices of SFH Q2 2006 vs. 2005:
LA/Long Beach/Santa Ana is up +14.6%
SF/Oakland/Fremont is up +3.4%
SJ/Sunnyvale/Santa Clara is up +0.4%

Looks like LA's still on the upswing part of the bubble price curve.

3   DinOR   @   2006 Aug 15, 6:45am  

SQT,

(from previous)

If these guys are playing with their own money I guess they can do what ever they want. Since they'll hold the deed on your primary residence SURE, they'll loan you the money to buy at "BARGAIN PRICES". Sounds like in the end they'll wind up with both!

4   Joe Schmoe   @   2006 Aug 15, 6:57am  

Tannenbaum,

From Realtor.com. Here are a couple of listings, both in the Walnut Creek School District:

http://www.realtor.com/Prop/1064079981

http://www.realtor.com/Prop/1065890686

I am not saying that Walnut Creek is all that -- I spent a couple of weeks there last year taking depositions and found it to be pleasant but very dull -- but it's a decent place to live, and there are condos there for $200k. Along these same lines, I am not saying that a middle class family would want to live in a 2BR condo -- I wouldn't -- but at least they can.

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