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Liberalism vs Progressivism
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2009 Oct 28, 3:39pm 2,839 views 12 comments
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4X
2009 Oct 28, 3:40pm
It sounds like my movement is dead...are Obama and the Clintons liberals who pose as Progressives?
"progressive conservative" is an oxymoron.
Your definition of "progressive" is bizarre. Are you saying that non-progressives ( whatever you're going to call those) are anti economic growth, anti technology innovation, and anti government reform (seriously, WTF does that even mean?)
Honestly, you could use your definition of "progressive" to describe every political organization out there, except maybe anarchists.
elliemae
2009 Oct 28, 11:44pm
I prefer to spend less time trying to define my views and more of it believing in them. :)
Done!
2009 Oct 29, 12:39am
Anybody that holds a position before they've heard the facts is damn fool.
And that is the problem with modern politics the issues take back seat to party affiliation.
Bap33
2009 Oct 29, 12:54am
Ray Charles and Ronny Milsap can glance at me from across the room and tell that I'm a conservative.
4X
2009 Oct 29, 1:41am
The point I am making here is that homesexulality and ending the life of babies has pushed all other issues aside. On some issues I am conservative, and on others I am progressive but I never choose to be liberal on any of the issues. It is the same for liberals to call themselves progressive-liberal. Meaning they want to expand Gay and Abortion Rights, open marijuana clinics and provide free healthcare for everyone.
4X
2009 Oct 29, 1:46am
@kevin
“progressive conservative†is an oxymoron.
Your definition of “progressive†is bizarre. Are you saying that non-progressives ( whatever you’re going to call those) are anti economic growth, anti technology innovation, and anti government reform (seriously, WTF does that even mean?)
Honestly, you could use your definition of “progressive†to describe every political organization out there, except maybe anarchists.
How So?....I hold a progressive stance on social reform and conservative stance on economics. Together, that means that I wont pay for social services (Healthcare, Social Security, FHA or Parks & Rec) unless we can find a way to make these programs pay for themselves. Cut, Cut, Cut is my motto when it comes to any non-profit entitty whether is be government or Fannie Mae.
If it dont turn a profit, it dont make sense!
4X
2009 Oct 29, 1:48am
Some believe in Jesus
Some believe in Allah
But Americans like me believe in makin' dollas
Even when your wife is being untrue
The money will still be good to you
Even when your friends aint around
You know the money will keep you safe and sound
-DJ Quik - Safe and Sound
Done!
2009 Oct 29, 1:54am
I think the real issue is half of the country wants to broadcast their Sodomy whilst the other country think it is just TMI.
We'll never be able to legislate taste so I chose to smoke my dildo shaped bong in private when I'm aborting unwanted fetuses. Some things are just more gratifying in private.
4X
2009 Oct 29, 2:08am
Geez, what does that mean?...we have to get Patrick to change your name to the Riddler
4X
2009 Oct 29, 3:40am
Liberalism comes in many forms. The essence of liberalism is toleration of different beliefs and of different ideas as to what constitutes a good life....so according to that statement we should embrace the stupidity within Hip Hop and Rock n Roll who preach drug abuse and womanizing.
I claim myself to be progressive-conservative.
Someone told me that being progressive was no different than being liberal. For me, being liberal means anything goes (Gay Marriage, Abortion, Drug Abuse, etc.) where as being progressive means that a person seeks improvements (Social Reform, Economic Growth, Technology Innovation, Government Reforms, etc.) within our society.....have the liberal Gay and Abortion rights groups taken over the Progressive movement?
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Liberalism is the belief in the importance of individual freedom. According to John N. Gray, the essence of liberalism is toleration of different beliefs and of different ideas as to what constitutes a good life. In the 18th Century, in America, the first modern liberal state was founded, without a monarch or a hereditary aristocracy.[3] The American Declaration of Independence, includes the words (which echo Locke) "all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to insure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."[4]
In U.S. history, the term progressivism refers to a broadly-based reform movement that reached its height early in the 20th century, generally considered to be left wing in nature. The initial progressive movement arose as a response to the vast changes brought by the Industrial Revolution. Contemporary progressives continue to embrace concepts such as environmentalism and social justice[1]. Social progressivism, which states that governmental practices ought to be adjusted as society evolves, forms the ideological basis for many American progressives.
#environment