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AmenCorner_AntiPanican
2025 May 25, 9:46am
AmenCorner_AntiPanican
2025 May 25, 9:46am
Onvacation says
I'm told the happiest days of boat ownership are the day you buy, and the day you sell.
I'd love one, but it looks like renting wins in the boat department.
Sounds like my sailboat.
I'm told the happiest days of boat ownership are the day you buy, and the day you sell.
I'd love one, but it looks like renting wins in the boat department.
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Onvacation
2025 May 26, 7:36pm
Onvacation
2025 May 26, 7:36pm
AmericanKulak says
I'd definitely be better off financially if I rented. I'd also get a bigger variety of better boats. I pay at least $7 or $8 thousand a year on my boat. I could get a lot of rentals for that price.
But I wouldn't have 'Pride of ownership". I couldn't take a cruise whenever I wanted to. I wouldn't have a place to hang out and get away from the family. And most importantly, it's cheaper than divorce. Whenever my wife and I need some time apart, the boat is always there.
I'd love one, but it looks like renting wins in the boat department.
I'd definitely be better off financially if I rented. I'd also get a bigger variety of better boats. I pay at least $7 or $8 thousand a year on my boat. I could get a lot of rentals for that price.
But I wouldn't have 'Pride of ownership". I couldn't take a cruise whenever I wanted to. I wouldn't have a place to hang out and get away from the family. And most importantly, it's cheaper than divorce. Whenever my wife and I need some time apart, the boat is always there.
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SunnyvaleCA
2025 May 27, 11:40am
I'd love one, but it looks like renting wins in the boat department.
Notwithstanding pride of ownership, making up your own rules, customization, etc, there are plenty of advantages to joining a sailing club like https://www.clubnautique.net/ (that's where I am; let me know if you're interested!).
• Boats like these that sit in salt water continuously have an amazing amount of maintenance due to the salty environment and sun. A rental club, with more use per year, means fixed deterioration costs amortized more effectively.
• All the boats in the fleet are tax deduction havens for the few owners that have the right tax situation to take maximum advantage of the tax code.
• A dedicated and skillful maintenance crew maintains the boats more efficiently than you can (see other thread about hiring a car mechanic verses wrenching yourself). One of the specific benefits of Club Natique is that the boats are quite new and the maintenance and repair regimen is top notch. From experience, a broken roller furling reported one evening was repaired at 5 AM the next morning and ready for the next rental that day. You would be waiting a week for the part unless you happen to stock $20k of various spare parts for your boat. That furling part is common to a majority of the 40+ sailboats and so is stocked and ready to go.
• The club acts as a social hub for meeting and sailing with other like-minded people. 4 sailors on a brand-new $600k boat rented for $800 on a weekday is only $200 per person. You simply can't touch that on your own unless you are sailing 100 days a year.. Plus, at the end of the day you just turn in the keys.
• Choose different boats for different purposes. 2 or 3 people going out within in the bay: 30 to 35 foot. 4 or more heading to the Farallons with 30 knot winds and 8 foot waves: make mine an offshore of 45 feet or more.
Sounds like my sailboat.
I'd love one, but it looks like renting wins in the boat department.
Notwithstanding pride of ownership, making up your own rules, customization, etc, there are plenty of advantages to joining a sailing club like https://www.clubnautique.net/ (that's where I am; let me know if you're interested!).
• Boats like these that sit in salt water continuously have an amazing amount of maintenance due to the salty environment and sun. A rental club, with more use per year, means fixed deterioration costs amortized more effectively.
• All the boats in the fleet are tax deduction havens for the few owners that have the right tax situation to take maximum advantage of the tax code.
• A dedicated and skillful maintenance crew maintains the boats more efficiently than you can (see other thread about hiring a car mechanic verses wrenching yourself). One of the specific benefits of Club Natique is that the boats are quite new and the maintenance and repair regimen is top notch. From experience, a broken roller furling reported one evening was repaired at 5 AM the next morning and ready for the next rental that day. You would be waiting a week for the part unless you happen to stock $20k of various spare parts for your boat. That furling part is common to a majority of the 40+ sailboats and so is stocked and ready to go.
• The club acts as a social hub for meeting and sailing with other like-minded people. 4 sailors on a brand-new $600k boat rented for $800 on a weekday is only $200 per person. You simply can't touch that on your own unless you are sailing 100 days a year.. Plus, at the end of the day you just turn in the keys.
• Choose different boats for different purposes. 2 or 3 people going out within in the bay: 30 to 35 foot. 4 or more heading to the Farallons with 30 knot winds and 8 foot waves: make mine an offshore of 45 feet or more.
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SunnyvaleCA
2025 May 27, 11:54am
WookieMan says
That comparison could be more in the favor of hiring an expert if you figure the mechanic takes only 30 minutes to do what takes you an hour. So you're really talking about $150 for your time verses only $50 for the mechanic's time. On the other hand, you must not live in the Bay Area! Mechanic is probably $200/hr. Dealer is $400/hr. Still, between faster work and not needing specialized tools, probably better off paying someone unless your work doesn't pay very well. This is really just the extension of people moving off the farms in the late 19th to early 20th century to get more productive factory jobs.
If I work 1 hour at $150/hr and a mechanic works for $100/hr who is coming out on top? I made $50/hr doing nothing besides dropping the car off. Time is money dude. It's a win win situation on an hourly basis. If you wrenched on the car you lost $150 and still had to work on the car.
That comparison could be more in the favor of hiring an expert if you figure the mechanic takes only 30 minutes to do what takes you an hour. So you're really talking about $150 for your time verses only $50 for the mechanic's time. On the other hand, you must not live in the Bay Area! Mechanic is probably $200/hr. Dealer is $400/hr. Still, between faster work and not needing specialized tools, probably better off paying someone unless your work doesn't pay very well. This is really just the extension of people moving off the farms in the late 19th to early 20th century to get more productive factory jobs.
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Not to mention I'd have to get the car towed to a garage, find my way back, etc.
AI recommended https://www.yourmechanic.com/ So I checked out the website. They want a lot of details about the car, and then you get a dropdown of things they can do. Replacing starter motor was one of the options. Labor is $160/hour. You give them a credit card and they agree not to charge you until it's done. They had an appointment available in two days.
Guy showed up this morning and did the repair in our driveway. Car is fine now, and it was $387.52 total, labor, part, and tax, which is a relative bargain.
I don't get any money from yourmechanic.com, this is purely my own recommendation based on being a happy customer so far. Maybe something will go wrong, but supposedly I have a one-year warranty on the part.