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New Kentucky school bus routes a 'disaster,' prompts class cancellation as last kids arrive home at 10 pm some soaked in urine.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-kentucky-school-bus-routes-disaster-prompts-class-cancellation-las-rcna99430

AI generated bus routes. We don't need SkyNet...just decision making morons jumping onto the AI hype.

Trollhole says

AI generated bus routes. We don't need SkyNet...just decision making morons jumping onto the AI hype.

That's retarded. I think you can only fit what, 72 kids on a bus? Many go to one stop in a town/subdivision. Cities they generally walk. Even if it was 72 separate stops, how can you not manage that? I can do 600 addresses with probably 2,500 pieces of mail and parcels. I'm slow, but I'm done by 5:30pm.

In Montana, Big Sky is not Gallitin County. Most of it at least. Full time residents enrolled in public school have to go to Ennis. There's no public through road. They have to ride 1 hour to school. And 1 hour back. And that STILL gets them home by 5-6PM depending on winter weather. There's no legitimate excuse for a kid to be dropped off at 10pm.

No one wants to work, so they're hiring from the bottom of the barrel at this point. Note: I didn't read the article. But my guess is that's ultimately the issue.

WookieMan says

No one wants to work, so they're hiring from the bottom of the barrel at this point. Note: I didn't read the article. But my guess is that's ultimately the issue.

65,000 students being bussed. That's a lot of permutations to fuck up, actually. The bus drivers warned the school district that the new routes were patently insane. Nobody listened. Some AI firm was paid ~$200k to create these routes w/o any on-the-ground input. It's so bad they are canceling school for two days while they unfuck this mess.

I think the bus drivers got OT at least.

Trollhole says

New Kentucky school bus routes a 'disaster,' prompts class cancellation as last kids arrive home at 10 pm some soaked in urine.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-kentucky-school-bus-routes-disaster-prompts-class-cancellation-las-rcna99430

AI generated bus routes. We don't need SkyNet...just decision making morons jumping onto the AI hype.

AI isn't that bad, programmers are that bad. They sold bullshit. I doubt it was AI, or if it was, a shitty one some incompetents developed, and didn't test.

AI is very good at figuring out routing problems and distance and speed problems. VERY good at it. If I'm ever in your car, and I say "go this way", ignore me, and listen to Google. I'm wrong, I'll be certain I'm right, but I'm wrong. I cannot for the life of me drop this habit. My instinct is the least distance, not the fastest route.

I warn all my friends about this. When I'm playing backseat driver, ignore me.

Anyhow, we don't need fucking AI to do bus routes. We survived without them for, what, 70 years at least? I grew up in a very rural area, if I didn't take the bus, walking home was 3 miles, that's 45 minutes. Other students had it worse, it was 10 miles for them. 2.5 hours for them, allowed them to think. I used to commonly walk to work when it was 4.5 miles away.

richwicks says

I is very good at figuring out routing problems and distance and speed problems. VERY good at it. If I'm ever in your car, and I say "go this way", ignore me, and listen to Google. I'm wrong, I'll be certain I'm right, but I'm wrong. I cannot for the life of me drop this habit. My instinct is the least distance, not the fastest route.

BULLSHIT!!! You don't' need AI to figure out Bin Packing, or the most efficient use of space, or most efficient routes.
I have been writing such applications ever since Visual Basic 5. I have even done it using Javascript.

There is no such thing as AI, not in the sense they want us to believe. Sure there is some new programming methods and standards, but they have nothing to do with the organic machine learning through Quantum computing that AI was originally sold to us as. They have ditched all of the other fantasy bullshit, that made it sound so mysterious, and are now just shoe horning decades old computing capability as AI.

I'm constantly gobsmacked at the seemingly intelligent people who keep falling for it, or perpetuating the nonsense.

Tenpoundbass says

BULLSHIT!!! You don't' need AI to figure out Bin Packing, or the most efficient use of space, or most efficient routes.
I have been writing such applications ever since Visual Basic 5. I have even done it using Javascript.

You are absolutely correct. Larger taxi companies have routing software that can take an input of hundreds of folks who need to be picked up where and when, and dropped off where and when, and work with constraints such as vehicle capacity and handicap requirements to do efficient routes. A school bus algorithm is much easier since the students are picked up when you say and all go to a single destination. Trapeze is one of many brands of software that have been doing this for decades.

WookieMan says

In Montana, Big Sky is not Gallitin County. Most of it at least. Full time residents enrolled in public school have to go to Ennis.

True story, and Gallatin County has a central high school that is much closer to Big Sky, and that Big Sky bus drives by schools in Four Corners half-way on its trip to Ennis. I suspect that you noticed such a detail on your ski vacation since it relates to you as a school board member. You also mentioned "No one wants to work," which relates to a lack of school bus drivers. In places where all grades cannot fit on one bus, they have to stagger the school times so that one bus can get them all. Usually high school starts earliest, and as such the high school kids are up a 5AM to catch the bus. But as you say, despite the challenges of transporting a sparce population over large distances with limited resources, the kids manage to get home by supper.

Why would anyone want to drive a school bus when UPS driver gets $170,000?