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Banking Problems are Just Starting


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2023 Mar 22, 12:52am   17,328 views  161 comments

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What we've seen so far in problems with the banks is those that purchased long term bonds that went down in value as interest rates went up.

Some mainstream economist crunched the figures and came up with a $620 billion dollar hit to the banks balance sheets if these were marked to market. That is if they needed to be sold.

We haven't even gotten to the fun part yet. That's when borrowers start to not pay back their loans because they ran out of money they could borrow on their credit lines. Credit spreads are widening especially for junk bonds. They are now over a 5% spread to treasuries. That means companies are borrowing at about a rate of 8-9%. Companies trying to roll-over their outstanding debt are gonna find that they just can't pencil in anything except for losses at these new rates. Credit is simply going to dry up for a large swath of corporations.

Good luck to all with your investments.

https://www.axios.com/2023/03/21/high-yield-bond-spreads-show-increasing-recession-jitters

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149   WookieMan   2023 Sep 5, 6:08pm  

GNL says


He is a braggert (I'm not trying to stir the pot all over again here) and some things just do not add up to me about the things he says. Who cares really. I just decided to call him out.

Call me out for what? Explain? There's not a single lie I've told here. What's the point? No intention of fake impressing a single soul here. If you feel that way that's a personal issue on your end and insecurity. I don't lie. I ran a business top to bottom for 15 years that grossed more in 5 years than you have in a lifetime. You need to slow your roll with me. My wife grossed more in the last 6 months than you probably have since you started your business. I don't get the attacks. Let me know when you do $5M worth of photos in 6 months.... I'll wait. I won't because I know it would be a lie knowing the business.
150   AD   2023 Oct 4, 11:07pm  

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saw this on Zero Hedge...84% of corporate suite executives expect a recession in 2024... for the Dems, that better mean by late summer that they can convince enough voters the economy at least has been recovering ...
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151   AmericanKulak   2023 Oct 4, 11:30pm  

There's already a recession: Biden's Economic Council suddenly changed the definition

So much bullshit, it's easy to forget it:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/29/white-house-goes-on-offense-to-argue-that-the-us-is-not-in-a-recession-.html
152   AD   2023 Oct 5, 12:03am  

AmericanKulak says


There's already a recession: Biden's Economic Council suddenly changed the definition


Okay 1st and 2nd quarters of 2022 had negative GDP growth, but GDP has recovered after that. But it could be shortlived as GDP can have two consecutive negative growth quarters from now until election day 2024.

I wonder if we are still in a bear market though since the S&P 500 is down about 11% from its all time high of 4818 set in December 2021. Recall it dropped about 33% around April 2020 and 21% in October 2022.
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153   GNL   2023 Oct 5, 4:37am  

ad says

Okay 1st and 2nd quarters of 2022 had negative GDP growth, but GDP has recovered after that.

It's pretty hard to believe anything the government says. Not saying it isn't true.
154   GNL   2023 Oct 5, 4:53am  



155   AD   2023 Oct 5, 8:55pm  

I give credit to Fox Business on this article today: https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/new-data-reveals-crash-not-since-great-depression-could-hit-2024

They report M2 money supply dropping rapidly while still prices remain high. They mention how money supply and prices both dropped precipitously during the Great Depression.

I hope we see CPI reported this month (for September 2023) at a monthly gain of less than 0.3% and an annual gain of less than 3.5%.

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156   Misc   2023 Oct 6, 1:27am  

Ahhhhh, those crazy kids at Credit Suisse blew something up. For those keeping track, a TBTF (too big to fail) bank failed. The depositors made it out without losses. Bond and stock holders...well not so much. Banksters think they will get government bailouts, but I'm gonna bet the next TBTF that goes is gonna get Nationalized. Could be that by trying to save the banks' depositors, that country's government could collapse.

TBTF banks don't really lend to each other nowadays (haven't since September 17, 2019). They cannot therefore count on funds from other banks. They are reliant on Central banks.

There is probably gonna be more bank crisis coming up. We could see rapid movements in currencies. There have been a lot of one way bets on a stronger dollar (with plenty of leverage on those trades). Everyone thinks they can exit their trades before other actors can.

There may be a re-pricing event coming.
157   stfu   2023 Oct 6, 5:21am  

Misc says

TBTF banks don't really lend to each other nowadays (haven't since September 17, 2019)


This isn't being discussed enough - the overnight lending facilities essentially froze up in fall of 2019 and then, COVID OMG!!! and the fed spigots were opened.
158   NuttBoxer   2023 Oct 6, 6:38am  

I talked about it, when it happened. Scamdemic was cover to prevent a collapse they couldn't control, and distract from the fact most 1% are pedophiles.
159   Misc   2023 Oct 9, 5:21am  

Here's a guy that is sorta knowledgeable, who sees problems coming up in the banking sector.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-whole-banking-sector-is-uninvestable-steve-eisman-of-big-short-fame-warns-about-mounting-challenges-for-financial-institutions-here-s-what-he-s-betting-on-instead/ar-AA1hV1BH?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=e04f71507eb94568a9fc01d67f717067&ei=20

He simply sees decreased profitability, but his gut tells him to avoid the sector like the plague. Some people know the extent that the banks are simply lying on their quarterly financials. Who knows? Maybe someone will call them out on their fraud. If not this quarter, then definitely after they report 4th quarter earnings.
160   gabbar   2023 Oct 9, 5:52am  

Misc says

Some people know the extent that the banks are simply lying on their quarterly financials

How does one know that every company is not lying on their earnings reports? No one is checking it, right? If someone/somebody is checking the numbers, how accurate are these checks? And the impacts of deliberately playing with numbers?
161   Misc   2023 Oct 9, 5:59am  

gabbar says

Misc says


Some people know the extent that the banks are simply lying on their quarterly financials

How does one know that every company is not lying on their earnings reports? No one is checking it, right? If someone/somebody is checking the numbers, how accurate are these checks? And the impacts of deliberately playing with numbers?


With banks there are dozens of regulators embedded in the banks themselves. With the TBTF there are hundreds embedded, The regulators don't really question the banks. They simply review the numbers provided. It takes a little work to get fraudulent numbers into the system.

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