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Earlier I wrote, " And yes, Russia is defeating NATO and the US in Ukraine massively and decisively. Denying the obvious does not change the fact."

WookieMan says

"Surely this is in jest, right?"

No it is not. Just look at the evidence:

1. Crimea is now part of Russia.

2. The Eastern Ukraine, Donbass etc is now part of Russia.

3. NATO is out of ammunition.

4. The NATO economies are collapsing - they are bankrupt.

5. The Russian sanctions are not hurting Russia but they are bankrupting NATO.

You need to ignore the MSM. They are lying 24/7.

The_Deplorable says

You need to ignore the MSM. They are lying 24/7.

^^^ This ^^^

Even after 20 solid years of them lying about anything and everything, people STILL listen to them. George Floyd, Kyle Rittenhouse, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, the elections was the most secure in history, Russian Collusion, Russian Interference, Hunter Biden's laptop is just Russian disinformation, kids with gender confusion that don't surgically transition are at higher risk of suicide, vaccines are safe and effective, masks work to stop the spread, 6 feet distancing slows the spread, ventilators are absolutely necessary, the coronavirus came from a wet market not the BSL5 lab down the street from the wet market, trust fauci, the vaccinated are at risk from the unvaccinated, inflation is temporary, the Ghost of Kiev, Snake Island.

Oh, but Putin invaded Ukraine for absolutely no reason and Ukraine is about to win any moment now.

Is it possible for some people to recognize that we have the USSR's 1985 version of Izvestia and Pravda as "mainstream news".

WHAT the fuck does it take? They're compulsive liars, and it couldn't possibly be more obvious, but I still have to hear people repeating their bullshit and nonsense. AT BEST we have no fucking idea what is going on, and at worst, we do, and it's the exact opposite of the what our "news" is claiming.

richwicks says

This isn't really something to joke about. These people are just going to their death in a futile war. If you can't win a war, you shouldn't fight it. Live to fight another day when you have the chance of winning. This is just assisted suicide with the help of the United States.

I'm pretty sure that Anthony Blinken and Victoria Nuland just want lots and lots of Ukrainians and Russians to die.

So from that point of view, the US-funded war over there is a great success.

The_Deplorable says

Earlier I wrote, " And yes, Russia is defeating NATO and the US in Ukraine massively and decisively. Denying the obvious does not change the fact."

MASSIVELY and DECISIVELY!!!

Do you realize how retarded it is to make such hyperbolic claims?

A massive and decisive victory would not include Russia occupying less land than they conquered 12 months ago - including Russia's 5 month long failure to capture all of Bakhmut.

Russia is right fucking next door to Ukraine and it has been the biggest military cock-up since WWII. Generations will be studying the total failure of Russian planning, logistics and leadership. Russia has pathetically had to rely on prisoners in Wagner to be their cannon fodder and this whole arrangement is falling apart.

But yeah - keep telling yourself that Putin is super stoked about the progress of his illegal invasion.

socal2 says

A massive and decisive victory would not include Russia occupying less land than they conquered 12 months ago

How much British land did the United States occupy during the revolutionary war?

The only metric that tells you anything about who is likely to win, is who can continue to fight. If Ukraine (or Russia) runs out of servicemen, or arms, or weaponry, they are bound to lose. It doesn't matter if Russia doesn't have 1 square inch of land.

Control of land is a canard, it doesn't matter. If Ukraine's government and military cease to exist, Russia can take what they want at leisure, until they run into Poland and possibly other countries.

No point in arguing about it, it doesn't matter what Americans believe, our government does whatever they fucking want with our without support.

Patrick says

I'm pretty sure that Anthony Blinken and Victoria Nuland just want lots and lots of Ukrainians and Russians to die.

There's no rhyme and reason to it in my opinion.

The MIC wants money, the international mafia lost control of Russia when Putin took over, Congress is a bunch of idiots that just follow orders, the English don't want Russia and Europe cooperating, US energy interests don't want Russia exporting energy to Europe. There's a bunch of, stupid, reasons. None of them advantage the United States or the people of the United States.

richwicks says

This isn't really something to joke about.

If I can't joke about it, what should I do? take a selfie with a ukraine flag and state that I stand with them? Send a strongly worded email to my congressman? Any advice would be helpful.

komputodo says

richwicks says

This isn't really something to joke about.

If I can't joke about it, what should I do? take a selfie with a ukraine flag and state that I stand with them? Send a strongly worded email to my congressman? Any advice would be helpful.

Point out to any person that has a Ukrainian flag bio on their profile that none of this would be happening if the United States didn't overthrow Ukraine in 2014, and this war has been going on starting then. If you need proof of this, just ask, and I will provide.

socal2 says

A massive and decisive victory would not include Russia occupying less land than they conquered 12 months ago

Is it russia's goal to have more land? If the usa was invaded and the invaders were to take the west coast and all the shipping ports and airports and coastal military bases, would they waste resources to try to hold on to the Mojave desert?

richwicks says

Point out to any person that has a Ukrainian flag bio on their profile that none of this would be happening if the United States didn't overthrow Ukraine in 2014, and this war has been going on starting then. If

it would go in one ear and out the other

richwicks says

How much British land did the United States occupy during the revolutionary war?

Is this a joke as well? The British had to ship all their soldiers, guns and ammo in by a fucking ship in the 1700's. This is why 2A exists in the constitution. There was zero chance they ever could stop a revolution. The British and French got lucky a lot colonizing places with no defenses against what weapons were available. Russia still hasn't learned this especially in the modern world.

Secondly Russia is literally right next door. The warmest part of their country with the most people. It should have been easy to mobilize a force to take Ukraine in days, maybe weeks.

I'll say it for the 10th time. I give no shits who "wins or loses" this war. Russia has already lost. I don't care about wars of "attrition." Love or hate our ME wars we controlled the countries across an ocean in weeks and then the MIC got their boner and kept fighting "insurgents" for 20 years. More people got shot and killed in JUST Chicago in that time period for Afghanistan.

My point of view is not about "liking" Ukraine or Russia. It's a dumb war. On paper and in the minds of most the world they, Russia lost and are a paper tiger. That's not our government lying to us. That's not even Russia lying. They are admitting it didn't go as planned. I don't get why anyone here has a side anyway unless you admit you're Russian or Ukrainian. Otherwise no one here has a stake in this conflict outside of tax dollars. Both sides are losing and Russia looks weak as shit with their population and "supposed" military armaments and Ukraine is corrupt as fuck.

There was never going to be a winner in this ever. Ukraine is likely toast and Russia will most certainly collapse like the USSR. It's happening. Russia is going to lose it's oil and gas exports. Just wait.

FYI. Find anything printed in the MSM that I just typed. What I type is fact. It's a waste of tax dollars for us. At least not a waste of our kids lives. Russia AND Ukraine are losing... You don't need media to figure this out. Or a link. Just a brain..

Earlier I wrote, " And yes, Russia is defeating NATO and the US in Ukraine massively and decisively. Denying the obvious does not change the fact."

socal2 says

"MASSIVELY and DECISIVELY!!! Do you realize how retarded it is to make such hyperbolic claims?"

It is not a hyperbole. This is reality and it is happening right now.

A US/NATO military defeat in Ukraine has consequences some of which are already taking place. A US and NATO defeat means the collapse of NATO, the end of the unipolar world order, the emergence of a multipolar world order, the collapse of the dollar as an international currency with the ruble and yuan taking its place, the emergence of BRICS as a financial power etc. etc...

After such a military defeat we are not going back to the way we were! <==== Read this again.

The fact that the Globalists are whistling in the dark and ignoring their defeat in Ukraine does not change the fact.

The era of bombing Serbia out of the blue, without rhyme or reason, the invasion of Iraq based on lies, the murder of Gaddafi in Libya, the attempted regime change in Syria etc etc is over.

komputodo says

it would go in one ear and out the other

Probably, but not always.

Eventually you'll hit on something a person DOES care about. They are mostly just empty semi-humans constantly virtue signalling, but hit on something where they ACTUALLY have principles where the government is lying, and they will change after that point.

WookieMan says

Is this a joke as well?

No, it's not.

What I'm pointing out is that Russia is fighting a war of attrition, a proxy war. They really don't give a shit about taking land and holding it. They are destroying the Ukraine military, and depleting resources of NATO and the United States. This war will go on for YEARS.

Stop thinking (and especially claiming) this war is about land, because it isn't. The US has to have some stupid fucking propaganda to pretend that Russia is losing badly, and they will grasp onto ANYTHING to make that case. Remember when Putin had cancer? Remember when the Ghost of "Kyiv" was kicking ass? Oh, a bunch of supersonic missiles from Russia supposedly got shot down, that's bullshit too. All our government does is lie, and lie, and lie and lie and lie and lie. They're lying now.

NATO has been building up since the 1990's and Russia is obviously the target. Russia even ASKED to join NATO at one point, and they were just laughed at. They have tried to make trade agreements with Europe repeatedly, only to have the United States step in an slam sanctions against them. They were falsely accused of poisoning the Skripals which is ludicrous. If the FSB was going to kill a washed up ex-spy, they would have Seth Riched him. You don't use a nerve toxin that only the British and American government SUPPOSEDLY claims they identified. Do you know what nerve agents are like? Sarin, for example, is a colorless odorless liquid. If I put a drop into your drink, you're dead, and so am I because you're going to exhale enough of that shit in aerosol form that I'll get enough as well JUST from you exhaling it. That shit is fucking terrifying. Makes organic mercury seem like a mouthwash. The LD50 is 172 μg/kg. The lethal dose would fit on the head of a pin.

The US arranged the conflict with Georgia and S. Ossetia, Mikheil Saakashvili was obviously our man. Georgia got the same bullshit promises that Ukraine got "oh, you can join the EU, oh, we want you to be part of NATO", all garbage. It's just to create a conflict with Russia. The US was probably involved with that unrest that lasted a few days in Kazakhstan.

The US just keeps poking the bear, poking the bear, poking the bear, while acting like COMPLETE hypocrites for 20 years, 2 decades. The US claims their problem with Russia is that they aren't democratic enough, they jail journalists, they jail protesters - they obviously don't care about any of that, complete liars. There's no diplomats in the United States, Europe is controlled, there's no reason for Russia to cooperate anymore. The US wants a new stupid Cold War which is going to bankrupt the United States, fuck it. Russia didn't want this, Russia won't be hurt by this, eventually the US will either be bankrupt or isolated entirely, THEN Russia can work with Europe. It might be a decade from now.

Every single war the US has instigated has resulted in disaster for the United States, every fucking one for the last 20 years. You think 8th time is a charm? Stupid fucking asshole Neocon mother fuckers, racist dumb ass twats. If this conflict doesn't do the United States in, don't worry, they'll do Taiwan, or invade Venezuela, or some other fucking nation. This 5th column is going to kill us all.

Just remember how good the Neocon's track records is, so far 100% - loss. They're just fucking perfection. Let's keep trying the same thing over and over and over again, maybe this time it will be different???? But remember, if you talk about this, ooooooh, that might be treason. Don't point out what stupid fuckups we have in our State Department. Let's keep the illusion that we shouldn't have lined these stupid retarded assholes up against a wall 20 years ago. They have NO reverse gear, and no matter how much they fuck up, how long they fuck up, the fuck ups are never removed. They are a cancer to this nation.

WookieMan says

I'll say it for the 10th time. I give no shits who "wins or loses" this war. Russia has already lost. I don't care about wars of "attrition."

HAHAHAHA.

You know the reason we were forced off the gold standard? We spent a fortune on Vietnam for 20 years. It bankrupted the nation AGAIN in 1971.

The point of wars of attrition is to cost money and resources. Vietnam was a war of attrition. You know why the US has the #1 GDP in the world? We spend more money on our worthless, shitty military than anybody in the world does. Every dollar spent on a bullet, that adds $1 to the GDP. China, in reality, has already overtaken our economy and they have a military on par with ours.

AmericanKulak says

Remember the USAF Sparrow AIM-7 was supposed to have a 70% kill against MiGs; IRL it was 10% against export grade MiG-21s that were mostly without Threat Detectors.

That was because the AIM-7 had an extreme launch fail rate. Most of them, and that is most, when launched just fell off the rails without even igniting the propellent. What is odd, though, is the Soviets had made a copy of the AIM-7 and deployed it on the MiG-21. If you are talking about Vietnam, that would be the Mig-17. North Vietnam only had 16 MiG-21s and most of them were shot down in just two air battles against F-4 Phantoms (operation Bolo and another day). Also, Soviet aircraft since the later variant MiG-15 (Korean War) had radar threat detectors, and the AIM-7 is radar guided.

Meanwhile, here is an update on "Eastern Wonder Weapons".

Russia detains three hypersonic rocket scientists as Kremlin is left reeling over claims 'dagger' missiles were shot down by Patriot defence system
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12093811/Russia-detains-three-hypersonic-rocket-scientists-treason-charges-despite-outcry.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490

This war is turning out to be another scheme for the global reset. The dollar is already destroyed, the only thing keeping it afloat is the USA's supposed military supremacy. All of a sudden the media is showing that western weapons don't work? 🤔

socal2 says

"Russia detains three hypersonic rocket scientists as Kremlin is left reeling over claims 'dagger' missiles were shot down by Patriot defence system https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12093811/Russia-detains-three-hypersonic-rocket-scientists-treason-charges-despite-outcry.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490 "

The above is another fabrication from the lying liars of the MSM because the hypersonic Kinzhals at Mach 10 are too fast to be hit. So, the exact opposite is true, meaning, the patriot missiles are useless!

This battery fired 30 patriot missiles in two minutes in an attempt to defend itself but got wiped out instead: See https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1658281863327129601?ref_src=patrick.net

According to the Russian Ministry of Defense a "U.S.-manufactured Patriot surface-to-air missile system has been struck by Kinnzhal hypersonic glide. vehicle in Kiev. https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/05/ukraine-air-defense-lessons-.html#more "

RWSGFY says

Hey, where's the proof of Ukie Nazism?

Yeah, calling a country run by a Jew "Nazi" is a bit of a stretch.

socal2 says

Meanwhile, here is an update on "Eastern Wonder Weapons".

Russia detains three hypersonic rocket scientists as Kremlin is left reeling over claims 'dagger' missiles were shot down by Patriot defence system
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12093811/Russia-detains-three-hypersonic-rocket-scientists-treason-charges-despite-outcry.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490

The Daily Mail?

From what I've heard, which I also take with a grain of salt, is that a group of Patriot Missiles were destroyed. Something like 1/2 dozen Patriots were shot off in the video I saw, and then the location they were firing from when boom.

But who can tell today? The "proof" of the Ghost of Kiev was from a fucking video game.

I remember the tests of anti-ballistic missiles, if you tune it JUST RIGHT, you can make it seem like it works. The so-called "Iron Dome" is a total joke too in Israel. They can't even shoot down rockets made in a goddamned basement, and I'm expected to believe that the US has figured out how to intercept and destroy a missile that is flying at something like 1 mile a SECOND?

If it was so damned easy to do, there would be no fighter jets, they'd all be shot down in a seconds.

null says

The US-made M777 Howitzers which have become the mainstay of the Kiev regime’s military forces are quickly “blooming” under intense firing rates, which is to say the front of the artillery barrel explodes and fray’s back, looking much like a precious flower.

The M777s are largely made of titanium instead of steel, theoretically making them lighter and quickly mobile for shoot & scoot after firing, but aren’t proving durable as a result.

If this were a war with US forces fighting, we have plenty of artillery pieces. It's when you give another country a dozen or whatever small number of artillery pieces and then a fuck ton of ammo that they get worn out.

The_Deplorable says

The above is another fabrication from the lying liars of the MSM because the hypersonic Kinzhals at Mach 10 are too fast to be hit. So, the exact opposite is true, meaning, the patriot missiles are useless!

I don't consider Streiff at Redstate as part of the MSM. He has been VERY accurate in his reporting in Ukraine over the course of the war including be very skeptical of Ukrainian claims.

Streiff's reporting is claiming that the Patriots shot down every one of Putin's so called "Mach 10" missiles this past week.

https://redstate.com/streiff/2023/05/16/patriot-leaves-skeptics-wordless-russians-embarassed-and-kiev-littered-with-pieces-of-putins-wonder-weapons-n746854

richwicks says

If it was so damned easy to do, there would be no fighter jets, they'd all be shot down in a seconds.

Actually, that is nothing new. In the 6 Day War Israel sent 40 aircraft over into Syria, only 10 returned. 30 aircraft were shot down in minutes by the Soviet SA-6.

socal2 says

"Streiff's reporting is claiming that the Patriots shot down every one of Putin's so called "Mach 10" missiles this past week."

If this is true, that the patriot missiles are shooting down the the hypersonic Kinzhals at Mach 10, then how come Russia is gaining and bombing Kiev right now? No answer!

The_Deplorable says

socal2 says

"Streiff's reporting is claiming that the Patriots shot down every one of Putin's so called "Mach 10" missiles this past week."

If this is true, that the patriot missiles are shooting down the the hypersonic Kinzhals at Mach 10, then how come Russia is gaining and bombing Kiev right now? No answer!

You know what I'd do if I was Russia?

I'd find some ancient missiles from WWII, like SCUD missiles, and just exhaust the supply of Patriot Missles. The Palestinians do this. The Palestinians make their missiles in a basement.

The_Deplorable says

"This battery fired 30 patriot missiles in two minutes in an attempt to defend itself but got wiped out instead: See https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1658281863327129601?ref_src=patrick.net "

US defense officials are now confirming that US Patriots were hit by Russia...

"US Officials Confirm Russian Strike On Patriot System In Ukraine... CNN's reporting seems to confirm the narrative from the Russian Defense Ministry, which said on Tuesday... "a high-precision strike by the Kinzhal hypersonic missile system in the city of Kyiv hit a US-made Patriot anti-aircraft missile system." https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-officials-confirm-russian-strike-patriot-system-ukraine-cnn

richwicks says

I'd find some ancient missiles from WWII, like SCUD missiles

Your point may be valid, but you need to be accurate in details lest the reader assume you do not know what you are talking about. The only WWII such missile was the German V2. The SCUD did not come about until the late 1950s.

HeadSet says

richwicks says

I'd find some ancient missiles from WWII, like SCUD missiles

Your point may be valid, but you need to be accurate in details lest the reader assume you do not know what you are talking about. The only WWII such missile was the German V2. The SCUD did not come about until the late 1950s.

Whatever. Any stupid thing can trigger the Patriots. Israel does this to Syria, they just shoot missiles into Syria to cost them money. Israel is a bunch of assholes, because they know if Syria went on the offensive, the US would go in.

Russia's Kinzhals are frustrating Chinese analysts who want to find out how Beijing's hypersonic missiles might stack up against US battlefield defenses

Matthew Loh
Jan 16, 2024, 9:25 PM PST

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Chinese defense magazines have, in the past year, been reporting on the Russian Kinzhal with great interest, analyzing its performance against US-provided Patriot systems and in the war in general.

And for a good reason: The Kinzhal's appearance in Ukraine is Beijing's first opportunity to observe how such sophisticated weapons fare in battle against Western equipment.

China hopes its own hypersonic missile, the Dongfeng, will be game-changing in its capacity to take down US aircraft carriers.

But the Kinzhal, touted by the Kremlin as an "unstoppable" hypersonic weapon, is being reported by the West to have been thwarted by Patriot systems or to have simply missed its targets.

"There is more and more evidence showing that what the US and Ukraine say on this matter is true," the Chinese defense analyst Yin Jie wrote in November in the Shaanxi military magazine Ordnance Industry Science and Technology.

While such journals don't necessarily reflect views or intel from within the People's Liberation Army, state agencies must approve their publishers.

Despite this, Yin issued a surprisingly critical review of how Russia uses the Kinzhal, otherwise known as the "Dagger," writing that the missile was "unlikely to have a significant impact" on the battlefield.

That directly contradicts how Russia, a close ally of China, has portrayed the weapon as a pivotal munition for victory.

A 'short-term, hasty project'

The Chinese analyst spelled out various ways Russia had undermined its own missile, such as how the Kinzhal had been fired and its availability. The Kinzhal, they concluded, just wasn't the star that Moscow made it out to be.

Yin described the Kinzhal as an evolution of Russia's ground-launched Iskander missile that was rapidly completed in a "short-term, hasty project..."

"This missile, which was developed based on the technical framework of the 1980s, may not have any amazing battlefield performance," the analyst added.

The Kinzhal's maneuverability, they wrote, "cannot be compared with that of a real hypersonic missile," adding that its ballistic trajectory also made the Kinzhal susceptible to defense systems such as the Patriot.

A similar view can be found in "Showdown between the Dagger and the Patriot in Ukraine," an analysis published by the prominent Beijing defense and science journal Military Arms.

The Kinzhal, this separate analysis said, was at best a "marginal hypersonic missile."

"Although Russia calls the 'Dagger' a hypersonic missile, analysts from other countries generally believe that the so-called hypersonic 'Dagger' missile is actually an air-launched version of the 'Iskander' short-range tactical ballistic missile," it said.

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"The 'Dagger' missile has more than enough ambition but not enough power," the July analysis said.

'The accuracy is unsatisfactory'

In his November analysis, Yin blamed more than just a lack of sophistication in the Kinzhal, pointing to circumstances in the Russian military apparatus as a whole.

Yin noted that Russia had stopped launching Kinzhals from its Mig-31s, choosing to instead use Su-34 jets firing safely from outside the range of Ukraine's defenses.

But the analyst wrote that the Su-34 was proving too sluggish to fire the Kinzhal at an optimal speed. Already slower than the Mig-31, the Su-34 was further weighed down by the heavy Kinzhal, Yin assessed.

For the Kinzhal to be most efficient, the launch aircraft has to move at high speeds and altitudes to give the missile a proper range boost.

"Therefore, after the aircraft is equipped with the KH-47M2 'Dagger,' excessive and unrealistic expectations cannot be placed on its initial capabilities," the author wrote.

They also criticized Russia's satellite system for guiding the missiles, saying it didn't have enough satellites for precision.

"The accuracy is unsatisfactory," the analyst wrote.

Yin then raised the issue of Russia simply not having enough Kinzhals, saying Western sanctions had hobbled Moscow's capacity to quickly manufacture the weapons, which limited how the missiles could be used.

"The 'Dagger' was not produced and equipped in large quantities. After a year and a half of expenditure, there may be very few left in the inventory," they added. "It can only be used to attack strategic locations."

"I think clearly a lesson for China here is that they need massive inventories of weapons," Lyle Goldstein, the director of Asia engagement at the Washington, DC, think tank Defense Priorities, told Business Insider. "More than what they consider the military requirement."

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That thing was touted as a wunderwaffe by the littke bellend, but is completely defeated by fragile, overhyped and obsolete Patriot.

RWSGFY says

That thing was touted as a wunderwaffe by the littke bellend, but is completely defeated by fragile, overhyped and obsolete Patriot.

Why are you hiding the source?

original link

Fun to read couple of days after the only AWACS kill in the history of the world. Alllegedly by Patriot SAM. I don't think he meant "death trap" in this sense though.