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rocketjoe79 says

WookieMan says

PeopleUnited says

The bear lives half way around the world. Why do we insist on poking the bear?

The bear is mean. But poking the bear is mean too. Don’t poke the bear!

Agree we shouldn't be involved. I think you got the animal wrong. The mouse. Don't poke the mouse.

Russia Defense Spend 2023: $100 Bn (previous to War, <$60Bn)
USA Defense Spend 2023: $817 Bn!!!

And? That's our defense budget and Russia's. Not getting the point?

We took out two nations in months and basically policed them for 2 decades and lost as many people as we did in Chicago over the same time period. Less actually. They were dumb wars, but we didn't lose them technically and they were across the globe. I don't know, I think almost $100B is more than $6B for Ukraine. My math could be wrong. By any metric both sides have lost waaaaay more than we did in Afghanistan or Iraq combined. This is a war of losers and idiots.

Comparing the budget numbers just means we have more money? Is that a complaint? If Russia cannot beat a neighboring country with $6B in defense spending, they're a paper tiger by default. They're losing men and have no clue how to keep their natural resources running. I don't care about our funding as most of that is going to corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs. Not weapons.

And as woke as our military is becoming and growing smaller, without nukes, we'd destroy Russia in a conventional war. 100%. China can at least send a hot air balloon over here. Russia cannot demolish its neighbor with supposedly the 2nd strongest military on the planet.

WookieMan says

Russia cannot demolish its neighbor with supposedly the 2nd strongest military on the planet.

Russia is the second strongest military...in Ukraine.

Booger says

WookieMan says

Russia cannot demolish its neighbor with supposedly the 2nd strongest military on the planet.

Russia is the second strongest military...in Ukraine.

And both of militaries fighting in Ukraine are weaker than Polish military by far.

A bit of fun reading from good old 2013:

The Russian fleet, which the day before conducted military exercises off the coast of Syria, was practicing intercepting cruise missiles with characteristics similar to American Tomahawk-type missiles. This is reported by the American portal about the US Marine Corps. According to the source cited by the authors, the Russians demonstratively conducted exercises and conducted part of the negotiations on open radio frequencies, showing that it was not difficult for them to destroy American missiles.

Meanwhile, the command of the Russian Navy did not provide any official information about the type of exercise.

Let us recall that the United States fears that Russia will transmit to Syria all information about the situation at sea and in the air, which will significantly complicate American aggression against Syria.

One of these days, the “aircraft carrier killer” missile cruiser “Moskva” will approach the shores of Syria, and in addition to it, the Black Sea Fleet patrol ship “Smetlivy” will approach the shores of Syria in the near future. On September 29, two more Black Sea Fleet ships will arrive in the area of the Syrian coast: the missile boat “Ivanovets” and the small missile ship “Shtil”. On Friday, a detachment of ships, including the BDK Novocherkassk (Black Sea Fleet) and Minsk (Baltic Fleet), as well as the reconnaissance ship Priazovye (Black Sea Fleet), passed the Dardanelles and became available to the command of the Mediterranean squadron, RIA Novosti reports. http:/ /telegrafist.org/2013/09/11/86228/

In any case, the Russian fleet, regardless of the surrounding situation, will scan the sea and air space in the area where the fleet is deployed. At the same time, as information has already flashed in the media, Russia, in theory, can transfer this information to the Syrian air defense.

Syria is armed with the latest Russian Pantsir-S1 air defense systems, which are capable of destroying American Tomahawk-type cruise missiles. The Pantsir air defense missile system was (and still is, apparently) designed primarily to combat incoming Tomahawk-type cruise missiles and low-flying (maneuvering) enemy targets that for some reason broke through the air defense barrier. Tests of the Pantsir have shown that the complex is capable of shooting down low-flying missiles, including at a record low altitude of 15 meters. http://telegrafist.org/2013/09/11/86228/

RED FLEET SO STRONK!

Another Russian ship sunk today! Ukraine used 4 drones to do it.

Poll: https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1757717161139646495

Ship built in 2021 just went down near Kerch bridge.

Minus 2 Ropucha-class landing ships...

When that bridge finally goes down there will be no way to resupply or even pull out the troops stuck on that peninsula ... scratch that ... island. Will the Reds cosplay Dunkirk then?

“ITS A LAND WAR!!”

socal2 says

“ITS A LAND WAR!!”

Yes. It is. Nice you came on board with reality.

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

socal2 says

“ITS A LAND WAR!!”

Yes. It is. Nice you came on board with reality.

I agree: it IS a land war now, but it didn't start like that. There was a serious threat of landing operation. No more. Then there was a naval blockade. No more. So one of the poisonous teeth have been completely removed from that Red snake.

After neutering came throatfucking: one of remaining Kilo-class submarines have been blown up by an underwater drone inside Novorossiysk navy base. It was used to lobe Kalibr cruise missiles into civilian apartment blocks. No more of that shit.

To add insult to the injury the video feed was translated from a cameras installed in the Black Sea Fleet .... err .... flotilla HQ.

Russia is pretty much done. Putin should sent Dugin to Siberia. Ukraine will be an EU low-cost manufacturing/exploitation zone.

Better for the West to exploit Ukraine for cheap labor than bring in Jawas on Dawahs.

Given the relatively small number of Russian submarines in the Crimea, I have to either conclude one of the following:
1. Making a submersible drone is actually pretty easy.
2. Ukraine was highly motivated to make a weapon just to take out a small number of one type of weapon, or maybe it's potentially useful on ships as well.
3. It's a rebranded weapon made by someone else, and someone else wanted to test their weapon in a real life combat situation.

Eric_Holder says

After neutering came throatfucking: one of remaining Kilo-class submarines have been blown up by an underwater drone inside Novorossiysk navy base. It was used to lobe Kalibr cruise missiles into civilian apartment blocks. No more of that shit.

To add insult to the injury the video feed was translated from a cameras installed in the Black Sea Fleet .... err .... flotilla HQ.

Do you get paid to post Ukey propaganda here?

https://patrick.net/comment?comment_id=2231014

zzyzzx says

Given the relatively small number of Russian submarines in the Crimea, I have to either conclude one of the following:
1. Making a submersible drone is actually pretty easy.
2. Ukraine was highly motivated to make a weapon just to take out a small number of one type of weapon, or maybe it's potentially useful on ships as well.
3. It's a rebranded weapon made by someone else, and someone else wanted to test their weapon in a real life combat situation.

4. It's just Ukey propaganda bullshit Eric_Holder posted here on PatNer:

https://patrick.net/comment?comment_id=2231014