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PeopleUnited
2021 Nov 7, 5:46pm
PeopleUnited
2021 Nov 7, 5:46pm
Patrick says
It is human history, and it is not PG, the Bible is raw truth, not suitable for prime time tv.
It was pretty amazing how violent and sexual the Old Testament is.
It is human history, and it is not PG, the Bible is raw truth, not suitable for prime time tv.
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Shaman
2021 Nov 7, 5:50pm
Shaman
2021 Nov 7, 5:50pm
richwicks says
Which is why progressives want to tear it all down. Nevermind that they will be the first casualties in that war for survival. At least they’ll stay warm from the fires of their convictions!
Look around you, logic and reason made this possible. Do you have any idea how difficult life was just 150 years ago? Your, tremendously easy life, is possible because of all the logic and reason that was used to make it this easy.
Which is why progressives want to tear it all down. Nevermind that they will be the first casualties in that war for survival. At least they’ll stay warm from the fires of their convictions!
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richwicks
2021 Nov 7, 6:36pm
richwicks
2021 Nov 7, 6:36pm
PeopleUnited says
We were only allowed to tell the truth through direct word of mouth before. This briefly expanded to online up until... I'd say 2003. There's been censorship for a long, LONG time.
They really can't prevent us. Believe me - they can't. They'd literally have to (at minimum) remove us from the Internet.
This has been a tyranny for a long time, more than 20 years. Having two clones to select for president which both are controlled by the same puppet masters isn't a choice. The tyranny will collapse when people recognize it's a tyranny - we will force it to act like one, so it will get worse before it gets better.
It's almost a good thing that Biden was installed. The job of the "president" is to get people to think whatever dumbshit thing he's been ordered to do is "for the nation's good". That's really their ONLY job, and I don't think Biden can do that, and neither can Harris. Going "back to normal" is good in that now the dummies that whined about Clinton can see what "normal" is.
PeopleUnited says
All government power is power through consent. All of it. The soviets ruled in Russia through consent. There's not enough consent here.
Shutting down the power system, even the internet, would cut their throats.
Shaman says
No, progressives are the type who adopt the word "progressive" without having any idea what it means. It's "hip and cool" to be a progressive. The modern progressive isn't progressive at all, they are uneducated, easily controlled, morons and they are a tiny minority.
richwicks saysBecause we have a world wide communication system, it's just a matter of time before our governments won't allow us to tell the truth anymore. We're JUST beginning to see the fruition of this - depressingly.
Fixed it for you.
We were only allowed to tell the truth through direct word of mouth before. This briefly expanded to online up until... I'd say 2003. There's been censorship for a long, LONG time.
They really can't prevent us. Believe me - they can't. They'd literally have to (at minimum) remove us from the Internet.
This has been a tyranny for a long time, more than 20 years. Having two clones to select for president which both are controlled by the same puppet masters isn't a choice. The tyranny will collapse when people recognize it's a tyranny - we will force it to act like one, so it will get worse before it gets better.
It's almost a good thing that Biden was installed. The job of the "president" is to get people to think whatever dumbshit thing he's been ordered to do is "for the nation's good". That's really their ONLY job, and I don't think Biden can do that, and neither can Harris. Going "back to normal" is good in that now the dummies that whined about Clinton can see what "normal" is.
PeopleUnited says
richwicks saysThis covid crap, that's their last stand to try to maintain authority. Either they will get away with this scam, or they won't, and I don't think they will regardless of their resources.
I wish I had your faith. From my view they are just one or two moves from checkmate martial law lockdown, a fake or real war, a real pandemic and/or a fake alien invasion and it is game over, all rights will be taken, Free speech will be ended for your safety, and all dissent will be met with violence and/education camps.
If all else fails they will shut down the power grid. Game over, literally Luigi.
All government power is power through consent. All of it. The soviets ruled in Russia through consent. There's not enough consent here.
Shutting down the power system, even the internet, would cut their throats.
Shaman says
richwicks saysLook around you, logic and reason made this possible. Do you have any idea how difficult life was just 150 years ago? Your, tremendously easy life, is possible because of all the logic and reason that was used to make it this easy.
Which is why progressives want to tear it all down. Nevermind that they will be the first casualties in that war for survival. At least they’ll stay warm from the fires of their convictions!
No, progressives are the type who adopt the word "progressive" without having any idea what it means. It's "hip and cool" to be a progressive. The modern progressive isn't progressive at all, they are uneducated, easily controlled, morons and they are a tiny minority.
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TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter
2021 Nov 8, 5:26am
TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter
2021 Nov 8, 5:26am
Shaman says
Losers want a great reset to an earlier savegame.
Libbies aren't much different than Heinlein fuck who thinks he's going to be a local warlord with his Buttcoin and Silver bringing in mad bitches and sharecroppers shortly after TEOTWAKI. If anything his lone ass will be overwhelmed by raiders who will steal all his shit. Or by the ex-Bikers he hired with his silver rounds.
Just like ugly Leftist broads still want Chads, but believe Society can program Chads to want their Pear Shaped Purple Haired Asses
In reality, come TEOTWAKI/Primitivism, the very people who will flourish are the same ones they hate today: The naturally sociable and rural skillset bearers.
Which is why progressives want to tear it all down. Nevermind that they will be the first casualties in that war for survival. At least they’ll stay warm from the fires of their convictions!
Losers want a great reset to an earlier savegame.
Libbies aren't much different than Heinlein fuck who thinks he's going to be a local warlord with his Buttcoin and Silver bringing in mad bitches and sharecroppers shortly after TEOTWAKI. If anything his lone ass will be overwhelmed by raiders who will steal all his shit. Or by the ex-Bikers he hired with his silver rounds.
Just like ugly Leftist broads still want Chads, but believe Society can program Chads to want their Pear Shaped Purple Haired Asses
In reality, come TEOTWAKI/Primitivism, the very people who will flourish are the same ones they hate today: The naturally sociable and rural skillset bearers.
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joshuatrio
2021 Nov 8, 7:05am
joshuatrio
2021 Nov 8, 7:05am
PeopleUnited says
I'm in the middle of the road. I can see this thing swinging HARD both ways.
On one hand, I think the globalists have been in control for a long time and we had no idea. Trump/Populist movement woke everyone the hell up. Now the globalists a-holes are panicking and the only way they can maintain control is by enslaving everyone in some sort of health/biomedical/digital enslavement.
On the other hand, it seems like people have lost their will to fight, and many people I know are bending over and taking the jab because of their job. If everyone caves, the elite win. If we all just say fuck it, and walk away from the jab/job, it's an easy win.
As a dad and husband, I'm honestly nervous about what's going on, I want to make good decisions going forward for the best of my family, but in this environment, it's hard to know what a good move is going forward.
richwicks saysThis covid crap, that's their last stand to try to maintain authority. Either they will get away with this scam, or they won't, and I don't think they will regardless of their resources.
I wish I had your faith. From my view they are just one or two moves from checkmate martial law lockdown, a fake or real war, a real pandemic and/or a fake alien invasion and it is game over, all rights will be taken, Free speech will be ended for your safety, and all dissent will be met with violence and/education camps.
I'm in the middle of the road. I can see this thing swinging HARD both ways.
On one hand, I think the globalists have been in control for a long time and we had no idea. Trump/Populist movement woke everyone the hell up. Now the globalists a-holes are panicking and the only way they can maintain control is by enslaving everyone in some sort of health/biomedical/digital enslavement.
On the other hand, it seems like people have lost their will to fight, and many people I know are bending over and taking the jab because of their job. If everyone caves, the elite win. If we all just say fuck it, and walk away from the jab/job, it's an easy win.
As a dad and husband, I'm honestly nervous about what's going on, I want to make good decisions going forward for the best of my family, but in this environment, it's hard to know what a good move is going forward.
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WookieMan
2021 Nov 8, 7:30am
WookieMan
2021 Nov 8, 7:30am
joshuatrio says
Tell 'em to fuck off if you have the means. I'm close to pulling the trigger on this, but the wife would try to block it, but send the kids with no masks to school. The adults sure as shit aren't wearing them in town, even teachers having a night out on the town that we see. The adults don't wear them here, but the kids have to? Fuck that.
It's hard here because I'd be personally knowing someone I'm about to sue. Small town/district. Plain and simple, mask wearing for children is child abuse. There's no legislation here. It's not law. If you diddle my kid you go to jail, there's a law for that. Forcing a child to breath through a mask 8 hours a day is child abuse. What's next? Is the 5th grade puberty "education" gonna involve ball gags and bondage shit? Let them be kids. The adults aren't wearing masks. They can fucking see the double standard. Rules for thee not for me. We're going to raise a fucked up generation for those in the 25-45 age group (parents).
As a dad and husband, I'm honestly nervous about what's going on, I want to make good decisions going forward for the best of my family, but in this environment, it's hard to know what a good move is going forward.
Tell 'em to fuck off if you have the means. I'm close to pulling the trigger on this, but the wife would try to block it, but send the kids with no masks to school. The adults sure as shit aren't wearing them in town, even teachers having a night out on the town that we see. The adults don't wear them here, but the kids have to? Fuck that.
It's hard here because I'd be personally knowing someone I'm about to sue. Small town/district. Plain and simple, mask wearing for children is child abuse. There's no legislation here. It's not law. If you diddle my kid you go to jail, there's a law for that. Forcing a child to breath through a mask 8 hours a day is child abuse. What's next? Is the 5th grade puberty "education" gonna involve ball gags and bondage shit? Let them be kids. The adults aren't wearing masks. They can fucking see the double standard. Rules for thee not for me. We're going to raise a fucked up generation for those in the 25-45 age group (parents).
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joshuatrio
2021 Nov 8, 7:44am
joshuatrio
2021 Nov 8, 7:44am
WookieMan says
We put our kids in private for years. They are homeschooled this year as we're spending the year traveling. Currently in Cocoa Beach, FL for the next 2 months enjoying the beaches and warm weather. Wife and I both have remote businesses and are pretty flexible.
Regarding mask wearing for kids - I'd send them maskless, or pull them out. It's beyond stupid now. Two years later and they are still pushing this nonsense. Even though the latest numbers from Italy prove the flu was deadlier than covid. My sister is a teacher and is subject to weekly covid testing now. So fucking stupid. She won't get the jab and legally they can't make people. Things are just super fucked up now.
joshuatrio saysAs a dad and husband, I'm honestly nervous about what's going on, I want to make good decisions going forward for the best of my family, but in this environment, it's hard to know what a good move is going forward.
Tell 'em to fuck off if you have the means. I'm close to pulling the trigger on this, but the wife would try to block it, but send the kids with no masks to school. The adults sure as shit aren't wearing them in town, even teachers having a night out on the town that we see. The adults don't wear them here, but the kids have to? Fuck that.
It's hard here because I'd be personally knowing someone I'm about to sue. Small town/district. Plain and simple, mask wearing for children is child abuse. There's no legislation here. It's not law. If you diddle my kid you go to jail, there's a law for that. Forcing a child to breath through a mask 8 hours a day is chil...
We put our kids in private for years. They are homeschooled this year as we're spending the year traveling. Currently in Cocoa Beach, FL for the next 2 months enjoying the beaches and warm weather. Wife and I both have remote businesses and are pretty flexible.
Regarding mask wearing for kids - I'd send them maskless, or pull them out. It's beyond stupid now. Two years later and they are still pushing this nonsense. Even though the latest numbers from Italy prove the flu was deadlier than covid. My sister is a teacher and is subject to weekly covid testing now. So fucking stupid. She won't get the jab and legally they can't make people. Things are just super fucked up now.
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GNL
2021 Nov 8, 7:52am
GNL
2021 Nov 8, 7:52am
joshuatrio says
In my opinion, we have just 2 choices. The best choice is to always do whatever supports FREEDOM.
but in this environment, it's hard to know what a good move is going forward.
In my opinion, we have just 2 choices. The best choice is to always do whatever supports FREEDOM.
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richwicks
2021 Nov 8, 9:45am
richwicks
2021 Nov 8, 9:45am
joshuatrio says
^^^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^^
Yeah, they've been in control for a long time. This is why people were so desperate to point out that Bush LIED us into Iraq. Why was this done? There's plenty of speculation but we know it wasn't about a weapons of mass destruction program. That was red flags and sirens all over the place. Are we really to believe that 9/11 was just a bunch of terrorists flying planes into buildings? I don't believe that, but there's an INCREDIBLE social pressure not to talk about it. Patriot Act was signed into law 2 hours after it was introduced - it's a 300 page document, which means nobody that signed it could have actually read it.
I've seen these totally crazy actions being taken (a lot of people have) and we see danger but I know personally you just are ignored as a crackpot.
I'm very VERY thankful Trump was put into power because he did wake a lot of people up. That's something regular people were unable to do and people really tried hard to do it.
The result of massive theft and criminality on Wallstreet in 2007 and 2008 when it finally caught up to them was to bail them out. Eric Holder said flat out he would never prosecute anybody involved with that, and he didn't. Obama, the Nobel Peace Prize winner, started bombing 5 more nations. Why did he do this? There's PNAC's Rebuilding America's Defenses which people tried to raise awareness of, but that's incredibly impossible to do.
Yeah, this might be a do or die moment. I wish we handled it 20 years ago.
We've had very obvious rampant criminality for decades. Remember when Jamie Dimon said he "was doing God's work"? Just who is his god anyhow? Dimon should be in prison next to Bernard Madoff - a guy that was spotted as a fraud as far back as the late 1990s but nothing was done and our media provides COVER for these people, they don't expose them. Madoff was chairman for NASDAQ! I've long ago accepted it, there is a huge conspiracy, but it's impossible to get people to see if even when it's right in their face.
So the globalists are panicking? Well, finally something is happening. I know you feel uncomfortable and uncertain, I've felt that way for decades now and I'm pretty much over it. I knew how you feel now. I thought the government was very very criminal in 2016, but by 2017, I realized it was literally 100 times worse than I thought. We should have had Nuremberg type trials ages ago. The reason what is going on now is going on now, is nothing was done 15 years ago or 20.
On one hand, I think the globalists have been in control for a long time and we had no idea.
^^^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^^
Yeah, they've been in control for a long time. This is why people were so desperate to point out that Bush LIED us into Iraq. Why was this done? There's plenty of speculation but we know it wasn't about a weapons of mass destruction program. That was red flags and sirens all over the place. Are we really to believe that 9/11 was just a bunch of terrorists flying planes into buildings? I don't believe that, but there's an INCREDIBLE social pressure not to talk about it. Patriot Act was signed into law 2 hours after it was introduced - it's a 300 page document, which means nobody that signed it could have actually read it.
I've seen these totally crazy actions being taken (a lot of people have) and we see danger but I know personally you just are ignored as a crackpot.
I'm very VERY thankful Trump was put into power because he did wake a lot of people up. That's something regular people were unable to do and people really tried hard to do it.
The result of massive theft and criminality on Wallstreet in 2007 and 2008 when it finally caught up to them was to bail them out. Eric Holder said flat out he would never prosecute anybody involved with that, and he didn't. Obama, the Nobel Peace Prize winner, started bombing 5 more nations. Why did he do this? There's PNAC's Rebuilding America's Defenses which people tried to raise awareness of, but that's incredibly impossible to do.
Yeah, this might be a do or die moment. I wish we handled it 20 years ago.
We've had very obvious rampant criminality for decades. Remember when Jamie Dimon said he "was doing God's work"? Just who is his god anyhow? Dimon should be in prison next to Bernard Madoff - a guy that was spotted as a fraud as far back as the late 1990s but nothing was done and our media provides COVER for these people, they don't expose them. Madoff was chairman for NASDAQ! I've long ago accepted it, there is a huge conspiracy, but it's impossible to get people to see if even when it's right in their face.
So the globalists are panicking? Well, finally something is happening. I know you feel uncomfortable and uncertain, I've felt that way for decades now and I'm pretty much over it. I knew how you feel now. I thought the government was very very criminal in 2016, but by 2017, I realized it was literally 100 times worse than I thought. We should have had Nuremberg type trials ages ago. The reason what is going on now is going on now, is nothing was done 15 years ago or 20.
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TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter
2021 Nov 8, 4:57pm
TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter
2021 Nov 8, 4:57pm
joshuatrio says
Sunrise Diner on 520 heading west towards Merritt Island: Great Reuben - will be on right side.
We put our kids in private for years. They are homeschooled this year as we're spending the year traveling. Currently in Cocoa Beach, FL for the next 2 months enjoying the beaches and warm weather. Wife and I both have remote businesses and are pretty flexible.
Sunrise Diner on 520 heading west towards Merritt Island: Great Reuben - will be on right side.
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PeopleUnited
2021 Nov 8, 9:08pm
PeopleUnited
2021 Nov 8, 9:08pm
richwicks says
“Logic and reason” created Auswitz, Mustard gas, the Bolshevik revolution, kiddie porn, vaxx, Covid-19, “Little Boy” and “Fat Man”, lobotomys for treating mental disorders, methamphetamine, slave and sex trade, and he list goes on and on. You can be certain that when we learn to exploit what we know, TPTB will exploit it to spread their tyranny.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-6-5/
richwicks says
If you are putting your faith in men/women, you have already set yourself up for disappointment.
Look around you, logic and reason made this possible. Do you have any idea how difficult life was just 150 years ago? Your, tremendously easy life, is possible because of all the logic and reason that was used to make it this easy.
So of course I hold it in high esteem. We aren't even CLOSE to exploiting what we have today to its fullest.
“Logic and reason” created Auswitz, Mustard gas, the Bolshevik revolution, kiddie porn, vaxx, Covid-19, “Little Boy” and “Fat Man”, lobotomys for treating mental disorders, methamphetamine, slave and sex trade, and he list goes on and on. You can be certain that when we learn to exploit what we know, TPTB will exploit it to spread their tyranny.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-6-5/
richwicks says
Yeah, this might be a do or die moment
If you are putting your faith in men/women, you have already set yourself up for disappointment.
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richwicks
2021 Nov 8, 9:16pm
richwicks
2021 Nov 8, 9:16pm
PeopleUnited says
You can't blame genocides on logic and reason, nor the Bolshevik revolution (that's a religion in it's own right), kiddie porn, nor the slave or sex trade. The rest, yes. Logic and reason are tools. They aren't an end to themselves.
PeopleUnited says
But I am.
My frustration is that for religious people they sometimes give up and figure "well, god will take care of it". I just don't think that's a good plan.
Religion, at least western religion, I view as a tool - a tool to motivate people. Like any tool, it can be used for good or bad. Propaganda is a tool, that can be used well or badly. The best way I can tell if a tool will be used (in my view) correctly or incorrect is by looking at the people who wield the tool.
I can wield the propaganda tool pretty well, but I don't think my hands are the right hands. I've never wanted to wield power.
richwicks saysLook around you, logic and reason made this possible. Do you have any idea how difficult life was just 150 years ago? Your, tremendously easy life, is possible because of all the logic and reason that was used to make it this easy.
So of course I hold it in high esteem. We aren't even CLOSE to exploiting what we have today to its fullest.
“Logic and reason” created Auswitz, Mustard gas, the Bolshevik revolution, kiddie porn, vaxx, Covid-19, “Little Boy” and “Fat Man”, lobotomys for treating mental disorders, methamphetamine, slave and sex trade, and he list goes on and on. You can be certain that when we learn to exploit what we know, TPTB will exploit it to spread their tyranny.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-6-5/
You can't blame genocides on logic and reason, nor the Bolshevik revolution (that's a religion in it's own right), kiddie porn, nor the slave or sex trade. The rest, yes. Logic and reason are tools. They aren't an end to themselves.
PeopleUnited says
richwicks saysYeah, this might be a do or die moment
If you are putting your faith in men/women, you have already set yourself up for disappointment.
But I am.
My frustration is that for religious people they sometimes give up and figure "well, god will take care of it". I just don't think that's a good plan.
Religion, at least western religion, I view as a tool - a tool to motivate people. Like any tool, it can be used for good or bad. Propaganda is a tool, that can be used well or badly. The best way I can tell if a tool will be used (in my view) correctly or incorrect is by looking at the people who wield the tool.
I can wield the propaganda tool pretty well, but I don't think my hands are the right hands. I've never wanted to wield power.
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PeopleUnited
2021 Nov 8, 9:33pm
PeopleUnited
2021 Nov 8, 9:33pm
richwicks says
I don’t blame, I give credit where credit is due. Every person does what is logical and sound reason in their own mind. That is why we need God to set us straight. Ted Kaczynski thought his plan was a logical reaction to the evil around him. Hitler thought his plans were a reasonable solution to Germany’s problems, the majority of internet traffic is supposedly porn use, every thing a person thinks and does is logical to them. The problem is that human logic and reasoning is flawed and imperfect.
You can't blame genocides on logic and reason, nor the Bolshevik revolution (that's a religion in it's own right), kiddie porn, nor the slave or sex trade
I don’t blame, I give credit where credit is due. Every person does what is logical and sound reason in their own mind. That is why we need God to set us straight. Ted Kaczynski thought his plan was a logical reaction to the evil around him. Hitler thought his plans were a reasonable solution to Germany’s problems, the majority of internet traffic is supposedly porn use, every thing a person thinks and does is logical to them. The problem is that human logic and reasoning is flawed and imperfect.
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President Biden will announce Thursday that certain employers must ensure their workers are fully vaccinated or tested weekly by Jan. 4, 2022, or face federal fines starting at nearly $14,000 per violation, according to senior administration officials.
The big picture: The Department of Labor’s Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) will enforce the COVID-19 Vaccination and Testing Emergency Temporary Standard, which affects about two-thirds of all U.S. workers.
Some businesses and hospitals have already started to enforce vaccination requirements, with so far minimal non-compliance.
Details: Employers with 100 or more workers must implement a mandatory vaccination program and/or mandate weekly testing and masks for those who refuse the vaccine. Two doses of either Pfizer or the Moderna shots or one dose of Johnson & Johnson's vaccine will be acceptable.
OSHA will largely rely on complaints to investigate violations, administration officials said.
Fines for violating the vaccination rules could start at $13,653 each and go as high as $136,532 per violation if employers are found to be willfully non-compliant or repeat offenses. The amounts are in line with violations for other rules the agency enforces.
The 21 states with their own health and safety oversight will have 30 days to adopt OSHA's standard or align with their own similar standards, officials said.
Employers should also give paid time for workers to get vaccinated or recover from any side effects. Companies are able to bill employees for COVID testing, however.
Health care systems and facilities will not have a testing option, but like other businesses will have to submit medical and religious exemptions. Cutting facilities out of the Medicare and Medicaid programs for refusal to comply is a "last resort," one senior administration official said.
"Our goal is to bring health care facilities into compliance and termination really would only occur after providing a facility with an opportunity to make corrections and come into compliance if they chose not to do so," the official added.
By the numbers: More than 222 million people in the U.S. have received at least one dose of the vaccine. About 70% of adults are fully vaccinated, per the CDC.
State of play: Biden in September said lower vaccination turnouts over the summer pushed the administration to draft up the OSHA vaccination rule.
Dozens of GOP senators publicly challenged the rule on Wednesday.
Context: Previously, some federal contractors were expected to enforce a vaccine mandate by Dec. 8, which has now been pushed back to Jan. 4. Officials would not comment on whether the date was pushed back due to the holiday season or worker shortages, but said the delay was meant to "align" with health care facilities and U.S. employers.
"It’s not a reason to wait of course. We know that vaccines help reduce absenteeism," a senior administration official said.
Worth noting: Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo told CBS' "Face the Nation" over the weekend that delaying the establishment of vaccine mandate deadlines until after the holidays would be a "big mistake."
https://www.axios.com/covid-vaccine-mandate-private-sector-biden-osha-eea6e85d-fefe-4e4b-8cc0-0564c764bdf4.html