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Changing opinion on COVID fatalty: "India Strain" is dangerous.: I suggest caution.
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2021 May 8, 10:32pm 2,274 views 66 comments
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MMR
2021 May 10, 10:02pm
WookieMan says
LA county is more dense than NJ and more so if you don’t consider the mountains where few people live and greatly outperformed both NJ and NY
85% of Sweden 10.2 million population lives on only 3% of the landmass; they have also greatly outperformed the worst hit parts of the US and most of the places in the EU that employed lockdowns.
San Francisco is pretty dense and didn’t get hit as hard as any place from the Northeast or mid-Atlantic. Not
There may be a relationship between population density and case rate but not a very strong one.
If we all lived East of the Mississippi our situation could be worse. We don't.
LA county is more dense than NJ and more so if you don’t consider the mountains where few people live and greatly outperformed both NJ and NY
85% of Sweden 10.2 million population lives on only 3% of the landmass; they have also greatly outperformed the worst hit parts of the US and most of the places in the EU that employed lockdowns.
San Francisco is pretty dense and didn’t get hit as hard as any place from the Northeast or mid-Atlantic. Not
There may be a relationship between population density and case rate but not a very strong one.
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Patrick
2021 May 10, 10:03pm
Patrick
2021 May 10, 10:03pm
It looks like the virus in India may have peaked already:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/#graph-deaths-daily
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/#graph-deaths-daily
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FarmersWon
2021 May 10, 10:21pm
FarmersWon
2021 May 10, 10:21pm
Patrick says
Look at all the links I have posted.
People see no value in getting tested as they already know following:
1) If they have symptoms , They have COVID.
2) If they have COVID, There is no hospital to go to.
3) They are scared that COVID test will have forced government quarantine, which people believe is killing ground as it has no medical facilities..just packing people like sardines to die without impacting others.
4) No test and no death recorded if you don't die in hospital, which is very small percentage.The death number is proportional to hospital or ICU beds capacity, Not the people dying.... I think as more ICU beds are reserved for elites to occupy if need.. The official death number likely will come down whereas actual deaths are skyrocketing.
@patrick
If you read some of the links I have shared, You would be able to understand the situation.
It looks like the virus in India may have peaked already:
Look at all the links I have posted.
People see no value in getting tested as they already know following:
1) If they have symptoms , They have COVID.
2) If they have COVID, There is no hospital to go to.
3) They are scared that COVID test will have forced government quarantine, which people believe is killing ground as it has no medical facilities..just packing people like sardines to die without impacting others.
4) No test and no death recorded if you don't die in hospital, which is very small percentage.The death number is proportional to hospital or ICU beds capacity, Not the people dying.... I think as more ICU beds are reserved for elites to occupy if need.. The official death number likely will come down whereas actual deaths are skyrocketing.
@patrick
If you read some of the links I have shared, You would be able to understand the situation.
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FarmersWon
2021 May 10, 10:53pm
FarmersWon
2021 May 10, 10:53pm
Onvacation says
@Onvacation @patrick
You may be on to something. As I reported before the "Hindoo vaccine" manufacturer ran away to London.
All the rich Hindoooo perpetrators go to London after committing crime. I think he is likely worried that there may be strong correlation between his "jab" and people dying and he is protecting himself by finding ridiculous excuses
Serum's Adar Poonawalla moves to London, cites threatening phone calls from powerful people
https://www.businesstoday.in/current/economy-politics/siis-adar-poonawalla-moves-to-london-cites-threatening-phone-calls-from-powerful-people/story/438035.html
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Maybe the jab gives you covid?
@Onvacation @patrick
You may be on to something. As I reported before the "Hindoo vaccine" manufacturer ran away to London.
All the rich Hindoooo perpetrators go to London after committing crime. I think he is likely worried that there may be strong correlation between his "jab" and people dying and he is protecting himself by finding ridiculous excuses
Serum's Adar Poonawalla moves to London, cites threatening phone calls from powerful people
https://www.businesstoday.in/current/economy-politics/siis-adar-poonawalla-moves-to-london-cites-threatening-phone-calls-from-powerful-people/story/438035.html
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komputodo
2021 May 10, 11:36pm
komputodo
2021 May 10, 11:36pm
farmer2021 says
Should I go into lockdown and wear triples masks? Or maybe get double dosages of the vaccine?
I am open to "change of mind" if the proof to contrary , But suggest exercise caution.
Should I go into lockdown and wear triples masks? Or maybe get double dosages of the vaccine?
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FarmersWon
2021 May 11, 12:07am
FarmersWon
2021 May 11, 12:07am
komputodo says
Trust your guts and exercise your freedom of choice with giving chance for others to do so too.
farmer2021 saysI am open to "change of mind" if the proof to contrary , But suggest exercise caution.
Should I go into lockdown and wear triples masks? Or maybe get double dosages of the vaccine?
Trust your guts and exercise your freedom of choice with giving chance for others to do so too.
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komputodo
2021 May 11, 2:48pm
komputodo
2021 May 11, 2:48pm
farmer2021 says
Thats how I roll......too bad the msm doesn't agree with you.
Trust your guts and exercise your freedom of choice with giving chance for others to do so too.
Thats how I roll......too bad the msm doesn't agree with you.
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FarmersWon
2021 May 11, 3:54pm
FarmersWon
2021 May 11, 3:54pm
komputodo says
Easy said than done.
If some Sikh guys regularly rob the store , I would still hate to see "No Sikhs allowed" sign on the window.
Same way .. Can the store put "No mask, No entry" signs..or is it curtailing freedom of healthy people against mask?
farmer2021 saysTrust your guts and exercise your freedom of choice with giving chance for others to do so too.
Thats how I roll......too bad the msm doesn't agree with you.
Easy said than done.
If some Sikh guys regularly rob the store , I would still hate to see "No Sikhs allowed" sign on the window.
Same way .. Can the store put "No mask, No entry" signs..or is it curtailing freedom of healthy people against mask?
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Patrick
2021 May 11, 5:49pm
Patrick
2021 May 11, 5:49pm
farmer2021 says
So you are saying that we should judge people by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin?
Such talk can get you fired or even jailed these days.
farmer2021 says
If you're gay, a private business can be forced to bake you a wedding cake.
But if you're healthy, the business cannot be forced to let you enter without a mask.
Something is very wrong with this.
If some Sikh guys regularly rob the store , I would still hate to see "No Sikhs allowed" sign on the window.
So you are saying that we should judge people by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin?
Such talk can get you fired or even jailed these days.
farmer2021 says
Can the store put "No mask, No entry" signs..or is it curtailing freedom of healthy people against mask?
If you're gay, a private business can be forced to bake you a wedding cake.
But if you're healthy, the business cannot be forced to let you enter without a mask.
Something is very wrong with this.
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FarmersWon
2021 May 11, 6:25pm
FarmersWon
2021 May 11, 6:25pm
@patrick
I am trying to say that "centrist" and "logical" people need to be in charge and their mandate should be to bring maximum benefit to all without punishing the producers.
This "racism" business is cooked by CCP to make Americans fight each other on small things and don't bother them while they loot our tech and money ASAP.
So There are two extremes:
1) Looking at India if someone says that no precaution is necessary.. I consider that person extremist.
2) Looking at situation last year in US, If someone says that shut everything down,.. I also consider that person extremist.
... Extreme Lefties and righties are perfect foil for globalists to cause mayhem.
the "sikh example" is given to show, No matter what s forced down our throats.. The "pattern matching" will happen in our brains... so only way for your community to raise profile is not to indulge in all that..... I was alluding to "Hyper freedomites" who don't see common good in attenuating it a bit.
I am trying to say that "centrist" and "logical" people need to be in charge and their mandate should be to bring maximum benefit to all without punishing the producers.
This "racism" business is cooked by CCP to make Americans fight each other on small things and don't bother them while they loot our tech and money ASAP.
So There are two extremes:
1) Looking at India if someone says that no precaution is necessary.. I consider that person extremist.
2) Looking at situation last year in US, If someone says that shut everything down,.. I also consider that person extremist.
... Extreme Lefties and righties are perfect foil for globalists to cause mayhem.
the "sikh example" is given to show, No matter what s forced down our throats.. The "pattern matching" will happen in our brains... so only way for your community to raise profile is not to indulge in all that..... I was alluding to "Hyper freedomites" who don't see common good in attenuating it a bit.
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komputodo
2021 May 11, 9:04pm
komputodo
2021 May 11, 9:04pm
farmer2021 says
Now you are saying that this whole BLM and reparations and looting and fighting in the airports is a creation of the chinaman communist party? WOW
This "racism" business is cooked by CCP
Now you are saying that this whole BLM and reparations and looting and fighting in the airports is a creation of the chinaman communist party? WOW
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Patrick
2021 May 11, 9:11pm
Patrick
2021 May 11, 9:11pm
komputodo says
I'm pretty certain that it is funded and encouraged by the CCP.
The more we fight with each other, the less we talk about what China is doing with help from our treasonous elite, people like Bezos and Gates.
farmer2021 saysThis "racism" business is cooked by CCP
Now you are saying that this whole BLM and reparations and looting and fighting in the airports is a creation of the chinaman communist party? WOW
I'm pretty certain that it is funded and encouraged by the CCP.
The more we fight with each other, the less we talk about what China is doing with help from our treasonous elite, people like Bezos and Gates.
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FarmersWon
2021 May 11, 9:53pm
FarmersWon
2021 May 11, 9:53pm
Patrick says
Even the liberal(not idiotic lefties) must be worried about CCP. Liberals should ideally hate CCP.
I would like to see liberal vs conservative debate about ideas,size of govt. etc on what can serve better.
Currently all we get are CCP triggered Communist lefties and some crazy whites with fascistic ideas pretending to be conservatives and becoming perfect foil for CCP.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/09/28/forgotten-alliance-between-black-activists-china/
The forgotten alliance between Black activists and China
And the warning it carries for U.S. foreign policy
I'm pretty certain that it is funded and encouraged by the CCP.
The more we fight with each other, the less we talk about what China is doing with help from our treasonous elite, people like Bezos and Gates.
Even the liberal(not idiotic lefties) must be worried about CCP. Liberals should ideally hate CCP.
I would like to see liberal vs conservative debate about ideas,size of govt. etc on what can serve better.
Currently all we get are CCP triggered Communist lefties and some crazy whites with fascistic ideas pretending to be conservatives and becoming perfect foil for CCP.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/09/28/forgotten-alliance-between-black-activists-china/
The forgotten alliance between Black activists and China
And the warning it carries for U.S. foreign policy
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A person who would have likely survived at least "6 months" more without COVID should be considered COVID death.
It likely has to be decided over larger sample as individual probability is hard to decide.
Things like normal deaths during that period can be used as yardstick.
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Some people have communist thinking that we shouldn't care deaths with comorbidity as it eventual helps the system(party).
In democratic system there is always reasonable effort made to save life unlike in communist where "system" is above individual.
In the end everybody dies if not COVID something else, so we all have expiry date.
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I have this viewpoint for last year or so that COVID is promoted as more dangerous than it actually is.
I have argued in favor of "stop the fearmongering" and just take reasonable precautions.
I was totally against the lock downs.
Based on all the statistics and listening from friends and network, It suggested COVID fatality rate is minor.
I can't suggest same for India.
The condition of people is miserable. Many people under 50 I know have died. Last count was 10+ and after that I am not keeping track as too many cases of different ages.
Reasons may be polluted air in india or people living in close proximity, But the ravging done by COVID is real as anyone with contacts in India can tell you.
I am open to "change of mind" if the proof to contrary , But suggest exercise caution.
This guy is presenting "scary" mismatch between Government numbers and what is happening on ground.
Now if he is doing "propaganda" and is a low life , I have no way to tell.
You can check his tweets and judge for yourself.
https://twitter.com/deepakpatel_91/status/1391261649223524353