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Patrick says

The problem people like you and I are having, Patrick, is we are fighting emotion with facts. We are under emotional totalitarianism.

I personally know a lot of people who’ve had Covid. 100% of them are just fine. Even know of some oldster COPD patients who got Covid and did much better than their peers because they already had medications to keep their airways clear and didn’t have to rely on the capricious doctors who’d rather frag a patient than cure them.
Fuck doctors.

ThreeBays says

Why not put up graphs of countries that wore masks early?

WineHorror1 says

You have what is called an irrational fear.

Sounds like projecting from a very self centric mindset.

Consider the environment we're in here where the level of case growth and hospital fullness are used as triggers for stricter lockdowns. We were just locked down for several weeks, school reopening plans were set back, personal care salons were closed.

Now you might say you disagree with both masks and lockdowns. But, given that environment, if masks can reduce case spread by even 10%... Wear the fucking masks. I don't see how you can claim to be pro labor and then support actions that may set back the recovery.

Calm down, you're being emotional. Stay home and hide under your bed. Let me ask you a question...are you a government employee or an old person who is scared to death?

I'm pretty sure I just heard, on the damn TV, that a Fauci type asshole said Covid will be around forever.

No shit Sherlock. Viruses don't just disappear and the Covid Jab IS NOT A VACCINE!!!!!

ThreeBays says

Patrick, these graphs are not that useful because they're pointing at a single variable when there are multiple changing variables.

... most of which are not disclosed to the public because "you'll interprete it all wrong".

ThreeBays says

Patrick says

Patrick, these graphs are not that useful because they're pointing at a single variable when there are multiple changing variables. Governments slammed on the brakes with strict lockdowns, and then implemented mask wearing as they were easing off the brakes in other ways. I don't think you can reasonably tell what effect masks had or did not have without isolating the variables.

Use logic instead of emotion and life looks a lot more like worth living without being fearfully emotional.

ThreeBays says

Going against wearing masks even if it provided only a small benefit is nothing but pure dickheadedness.

Those that have no real argument often go for the personal attack.

If you are afraid, obese, or have some other comorbidity, wear your mask. Hide in your basement. And don't forget to keep that condom on as there's always a slim chance that you might meet a female and get her pregnant.

Sorry if I assumed your sex.

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ThreeBays says

Huh, I wonder why...

I only have one 1st hand acquaintance who got Covid and they were traveling abroad at the time, and 3 or so 2nd hand reports of cases.

Then you don't know anyone, that's all that means. Not meant as a dig, but statistically everyone should know multiple people testing positive if they have 30-50 friends and family, which is a low ball number for the average human. I don't count anymore, but I personally know of close to over 2 dozen that have tested positive at this point. Travel has nothing to do with it either.

Not one got it from traveling. It was all from family members getting it through work or interacting with other friends and family. Almost all involved some form of physical touch with the person who transmitted it. Something as simple as a hug, kiss or a handshake. I've asked everyone I know that got it to contact trace and go backwards to the point they believe they got it. It was physical contact with the infected 10 out of 10 times, usually a spouse (which who knows who the spouse is touching). Others in the same room or house for hours didn't get infected without physical contact.

You'll say anecdotal as many do. I say it's fact until someone can explain it. I'll believe the facts from sources who've had Covid and can explain who they got it from. You're also focusing on just one aspect of Covid and that's the masks. You say even if 10% effective, it's worth wearing. Problem is you have false negative and positives to the tune of 20-30% of tests. The tests themselves are so far off that statistically it's impossible to verify if masks make a difference or not. You're making an assumption from bad positivity data from the word go. You can't go from A to C and completely skip if B was valid or not. You only started at A then and nothing else.

This stuff is way more nuanced than you make it. As someone severely misdiagnosed by multiple doctors, your faith in the medical and scientific field being correct will get you killed. Within the last 100 years we thought drilling out a part of your brain was a solid medical procedure. With a "novel" new virus, there are mistakes. We've already seen plenty with this one. Masks simply don't matter. The graphs Patrick posts are obvious.

Either way, it's a flu now. It's not going away. There is no and will be no vaccine that stomps this out. We can't live like this forever. If you're vulnerable stay home. Simple as that. I just had a broken heel. Had crutches. You know what I avoided? Stairs. Guess what didn't stop existing because my ailment? Stairs. We cannot punish the majority because of a vocal minority. Simple as that. If you disagree with that, you're wrong.

WookieMan says

Simple as that. If you disagree with that, you're wrong.

Thank you! I could not have ranted it better myself.

Any fool can see that the virus was started by the 1st failed impeachment and is ending with the second impeachment. Now that Biden is sleeping in the Whitehouse the country is reopening,

It's like a soap opera with really bad writers..

The cognitive dissonance must be deafening for you masking vaxxers.

Onvacation says

Any fool can see that the virus was started by the 1st failed impeachment and is ending with the second impeachment. Now that Biden is sleeping in the Whitehouse the country is reopening,

The vote today in the Senate basically all but sealed the deal that Trump won't be convicted and therefore will be able to hold office in the future. Rand Paul did good. The Democrats don't want to lead and Paul made that pretty clear today. Schumer's argument is that it was "common sense" that Trump as a private citizen could be impeached. That was basically it. Common sense. lol.

You'd think the party that actually "won" the POTUS and Senate would just move on. At some point seeing all the smoke coming from the Dems will eventually lead to the fire. They should be giving zero fucks about Trump right now. Republicans, as flawed as they are, gave zero shits about Obama after inauguration in 2017. He became a ghost of the past. I think Trump has dirt and the level at which he's trying to be silenced is pretty damning for the left. I think we see some good fireworks here over the coming years.

WookieMan says

As someone severely misdiagnosed by multiple doctors, your faith in the medical and scientific field being correct will get you killed.

Yep, I've been misdiagnosed twice myself. Both times I did not listen and was able to avoid surgery. Be careful who you believe. Dr.s like $$ also.

WineHorror1 says

Be careful who you believe. Dr.s like $$ also.

At the end of the day life is how you can extract money out of others to make your life better or more comfortable. Or so you can retire early or some other goal. Doctors are not immune to this at all like every other person.

They just have "clout" because they're medical doctors, so it's assumed they're smarter than you. And it's not always a nefarious way to extract that money. Could be something as simple as a useless follow up visit. This isn't even the misdiagnosis I've dealt with, but I was put in a boot for 2 months. Yet for some reason needed a one month follow up and X-ray. If the remedy was a boot for 2 months, clearly it wasn't going to be healed in one month. So the doc probably brings in $700-$1k for the visit and radiology department for a 15 minutes visit. But you're always taught to just trust doctors.

Remember as well, these are the guy tossing highly dangerous pills at people for minor ailments or even when the patient doesn't want it. That was my case with the foot. The doc insisted even though I had no pain in my foot. Said whatever and never picked it up from the pharmacy. Dick that guy was. As with cops, not all are bad though either. But even the good ones want their check at the end of the day.

WookieMan says

WineHorror1 says

Remember as well, these are the guy tossing highly dangerous pills at people for minor ailments or even when the patient doesn't want it. That was my case with the foot. The doc insisted even though I had no pain in my foot. Said whatever and never picked it up from the pharmacy

Good choice. Whenever a doctor wants to prescribe, I always asked exactly what chemistry is this supposed to fix, and from what test did you find out? If it is pain medicine, I ask "Isn't pain a way to prevent further injury?" Unless one is recovering from something severe like open heart surgery where the chest bones were spayed and vessel material was taken from the leg, use nothing more powerful than Motrin. A broken toe bone does not need OxyContin.

ThreeBays says

So you're planning on spreading disease, at the cost of more people dying and increasing cases to a level of stricter lockdowns again... because hey other assholes are planning to do it anyway.

I'm not sick, so no. And I'm not responsible for yours, or anyone else's health. If you're fat-as-fuck, don't take quality supplements, eat processed food substances, spray chemicals in your house, and take medications that compromise your immune system, is that my fault?

And I'm not forcing you, or anyone else to go out am I? So why are you trying to force me to stay home?

Sorry you're so unhealthy you have to worry about other people being sick. That's a sad, scary way to live.

Patrick says

Mask wearing outside of an operating room is nothing more that a psychotic phobia.

Actually, doctors don't always wear masks in operating rooms, nor do they need to. It's a carryover from a time when we didn't nearly the sterilization capabilities we do now. Also, lets remember that surgery involves exposing internal systems by breaking the skin. So unless you plan on walking around with you appendix hanging out, you shouldn't have to worry about the level of germs in your environment.

WineHorror1 says

Dr.s like $$ also.

ThreeBays says

Stop the bullshit, there are multiple studies indicating that there may be an efficacy and it cost close to nothing to implement. Going against wearing masks even if it provided only a small benefit is nothing but pure dickheadedness.

Actually, they aren't. Link to MULTIPLE medical studies, going as far back as the 20's proving they do nothing:

https://www.technocracy.news/masks-are-neither-effective-nor-safe-a-summary-of-the-science/

Wu pushed the mask because he made it. Direct conflict of interest, and that guys cited as the basis for the first paper you linked to.

NuttBoxer says

ThreeBays says

So you're planning on spreading disease, at the cost of more people dying and increasing cases to a level of stricter lockdowns again... because hey other assholes are planning to do it anyway.

I'm not sick, so no. And I'm not responsible for yours, or anyone else's health. If you're fat-as-fuck, don't take quality supplements, eat processed food substances, spray chemicals in your house, and take medications that compromise your immune system, is that my fault?

And I'm not forcing you, or anyone else to go out am I? So why are you trying to force me to stay home?

Sorry you're so unhealthy you have to worry about other people being sick. That's a sad, scary way to live.

Some people hate freedom.

NuttBoxer says

Actually, they aren't. Link to MULTIPLE medical studies, going as far back as the 20's proving they do nothing:

https://www.technocracy.news/masks-are-neither-effective-nor-safe-a-summary-of-the-science/

Wu pushed the mask because he made it. Direct conflict of interest, and that guys cited as the basis for the first paper you linked to.

You will not get a response.
It is quite interesting that "follow science" crowd throws both science and critical thinking out of window when science contradicts their political or other views. This behavior is indistinguishable from religion.

Rb6d says

You will not get a response.
It is quite interesting that "follow science" crowd throws both science and critical thinking out of window when science contradicts their political or other views.

You can't blame the person necessarily though. They've been brainwashed. No different than a cult. It's just scary how easy it is to get someone to ignore the realities of what's going on. You literally just tell them to stay home and they listen and then you pipe in wave after wave of bullshit AND they then try to push it on you and me who have seen what really is happening.

The guy only knew one person with Covid. And proceeded to say it was from traveling and leaving the house. Propaganda 101 to the T for what this shit is. If you have 100 friends and family, which is an extraordinarily low bar to clear, you know someone that has gotten covid. It's almost impossible at this point. Or tested positive is what I should say.

WookieMan says

You can't blame the person necessarily though. They've been brainwashed.

Yes I can. They should use their own damned brains.