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Flatten the Curve


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2020 Jul 15, 3:31am   26,748 views  720 comments

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As the numbers of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths surge to record levels in multiple epicenters, local and state officials are struggling with whether and how much to reverse the rollback of restrictions on individuals and businesses. For example, following a gradual reopening over about a month, on Monday, California Gov. Gavin Newsom announced the reintroduction of statewide restrictions that would again shut down bars, all indoor dining, family entertainment, zoos and museums following a surge in coronavirus cases. The governors of Florida, Texas, and Arizona, all now epicenters of infection, have also slowed or reversed reopening, but their actions have been tepid. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is even insisting on opening schools in the face of record-high numbers of infections.

These officials would do well to recall the observation of The Great One. No, not Dr. Tony Fauci of the National Institutes of Health—the other one, hockey legend Wayne Gretzky, who once explained, “I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been.”

Anticipating what’s coming is important in confronting an infectious disease, especially one whose dynamics are what many infectious disease experts consider their worst nightmare. COVID-19 is highly infectious, has a lengthy incubation period (during which asymptomatic infected persons can unwittingly shed virus and infect other people), and causes serious, sometimes fatal illness.

Those unusual characteristics of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID-19, and the idiosyncrasies and spectrum of presentations of the illness—from pulmonary symptoms (including pneumonia and pulmonary fibrosis) to a range of non-respiratory manifestations, (including loss of sense of smell or taste, confusion and cognitive impairments, fainting, sudden muscle weakness or paralysis, seizures, ischemic strokes, kidney damage, and, rarely, a severe pediatric inflammatory syndrome) mean that we are on a steep learning curve.

The problem is: if we react too slowly to changing circumstances, we can fall off a metaphorical cliff.

There’s an old brain teaser that perfectly illustrates this point. Consider a pond of a certain size, on which there is a single lily pad. This particular species of lily pad reproduces and duplicates itself once a day, so that on day 2, you have two lily pads. On day 3, you have four; on day 4, you have eight; and so on. Here’s the teaser: if it takes the lily pads 48 days to cover the pond completely, how long will it take for the pond to be covered halfway?

The answer? 47 days. In just 24 hours, between day 47 and day 48, the lily pads would double in size and overtake the pond. Moreover, on day 40, the pond would still appear to be relatively clear; just eight days from the pond being completely covered, you’d hardly know the lily pads were there.

If the same thing happens with a virulent and highly contagious infectious agent, like the SARS-CoV-2 virus, you don’t know you’re in trouble until you wake up one morning to find that you’re overwhelmed. Like the lily pad example, the daily number of confirmed COVID-19 cases in the U.S. was 18,577 on June 15th—just three weeks later, on July 10th, the number had shot up to 66,281.

Dr. Anthony Fauci
Dr. Anthony Fauci

FLATTENING THE CURVE TO BEAT THE IMPENDING CLIFF

From early in the pandemic, the public health mantra worldwide has been: “flatten the curve.” That important concept, which was in vogue several months ago, seems largely forgotten today.

In the above graphic from the University of Michigan, the blue curve is the viral equivalent of the lily pads, suddenly covering the pond. It represents a large number of people (shown on the vertical axis) becoming infected over a short time (horizontal axis), and, in turn, overwhelming our health care system with people who need hospitalization, or even an Intensive Care Unit (ICU).

People won’t shop for non-essentials, fly, go to restaurants, theaters, and athletic events, or send their kids to school, when numbers of new cases are soaring.

If, however, political officials, individuals, and communities take steps to slow the virus’s spread, the cases of COVID-19 will stretch out across a more extended period, as depicted by the flatter, yellow curve. As long as the number of cases at any given time doesn’t bleed past the dotted line marking the capacity of our nation’s health care system, we’ll be able to accommodate everyone who is very sick.

Curve-flattening has fallen out of focus in recent months, in part because some political leaders reopened too aggressively and prematurely, basing policy on their constituents’ “pandemic fatigue,” instead of on the advice of epidemiologists and infectious disease experts.

But it’s still critical to avoid the pattern of the blue curve, not only to spare hospitals and ICUs—which are especially under stress in parts of Arizona, Florida, and Texas—but also so that we can continue the gradual reopening of the nation’s businesses and schools. Reopening relies on curve-flattening. As the NIH’s Dr. Tony Fauci says frequently, public health and economic considerations are not in opposition but are opposite sides of the same coin; we can’t fully restart and resume commerce until the pandemic is under some measure of control. People won’t shop for non-essentials, fly, go to restaurants, theaters, and athletic events, or send their kids to school, when numbers of new cases are soaring.

That means we need to start anticipating and stop playing catch-up—as the governors of Florida, Arizona, and Texas have been doing, relying on a combination of magical thinking, Happy Talk, and too-little-too-late remedies, instead of aggressive, evidence-based public health policies.

Arizona Governor Doug Ducey, for instance, has offered no strategy for blunting the spike in COVID-19 cases other than to keep repeating that there were enough hospital beds to treat those who fall ill. And yet, ICU beds and ventilators in use by suspected and confirmed COVID-19 patients in Arizona both hit new records on July 12th and were under stress, according to data reported by hospitals to the state.

On July 10th, a physicians group gathered outside Florida Governor DeSantis’s mansion in Tallahassee to urge him to issue an order mandating the use of face masks statewide, which arguably should have been done months ago. Masks have long been considered essential to slowing the spread of COVID-19, but, inexplicably, the Governor resisted. And only on July 10th did Texas Governor Greg Abbott finally mandate the wearing of face masks, and demand the prohibition of large gatherings and the closing of bars across the state.

Elected officials must heed Wayne Gretzky’s admonition and stay ahead of the coronavirus, in order to lower its rate of transmission. That’s the only way to slow the rise of new cases.

Evidence-based policies, such as requiring masks in public, prohibiting large indoor gatherings, and indoor dining at restaurants, are important. But as we’ve seen with California, even aggressive imposition of those kinds of strictures has not been sufficient—in large part because many people, especially younger ones, have failed to comply. As California allowed businesses and public places to reopen, bars, boardwalks, and beaches became crowded with large numbers of maskless patrons. It’s no wonder, then, that as of July 13th, hospitals in the state reported a 27.8% increase in hospitalized patients over the previous 14 days and a 19.9% increase in ICU patients over that same period. In fact, as a result of noncompliance, many local governments in the Golden State have had to coordinate with law enforcement agencies to issue citations and explore civil alternatives through code enforcement, environmental health, or other local government personnel.

Of course, the need for heightened consequences for noncompliance is unfortunate, but it will help to re-flatten the curve. That will spread out the demands on hospitals, which must have sufficient space, supplies, and healthy staff to care for all those who need hospital-level care—whether for COVID-19, a stroke, trauma, emergency surgery, or childbirth. It’s strong, but necessary, medicine—which possibly could have been avoided with more intense efforts to get the public to comply with wearing masks, social distancing, and frequent hand-washing.

If politicians properly understood their role in flattening the curve, they wouldn’t have to resort to policing and ticketing. They would instead launch a tsunami of public service announcements from all manner of dignitaries and celebrities, including prominent politicians, actors, rock stars, and athletes—maybe even The Great One himself—demonstrating how we can anticipate instead of falling behind the curve.

That non-coercive strategy could be a winner.


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Henry I. Miller, M.S., M.D.
Henry I. Miller, a physician and molecular biologist, is a Senior Fellow at the Pacific Research Institute. He was the founding director of the FDA’s Office of Biotechnology.


https://humanevents.com/2020/07/14/flattening-the-curve-is-still-the-right-answer/

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641   RC2006   2020 Dec 16, 7:46pm  

My wife is in healthcare and her friends that are nurses across multiple hospitals say its getting really bad to the point large hospitals are running to the limit of oxygen. Wifes aunt and uncle both got it in Arizona both are in VA system but local VA filled and aunt had to be taken to another hospital in another city far away where she perished. I haven't been able to watch news much and haven't watched any local CA news since I moved.
642   WookieMan   2020 Dec 16, 8:12pm  

RC2006 says
My wife is in health care and her friends that are nurses across multiple hospitals say its getting really bad to the point large hospitals are running to the limit of oxygen. Wifes aunt and uncle both got it in Arizona both are in VA system but local VA filled and aunt had to be taken to another hospital in another city far away where she perished. I haven't been able to watch news much and haven't watched any local CA news since I moved.

Sorry for the loss.

At the end of the day we have an aging boomer generation. Between the housing bust and slow recovery, we haven't kept pace with the needed beds for an aging population. Covid or not, this is going to be an ongoing problem. This time of year is busy at every hospital on the planet, mainly Northern hemisphere this time of year. Hospitals have been at capacity before, this isn't anything new.

If you build out 20 more beds, think of that as twenty more $200k mortgages. If no one is paying the rent (sick), it's a huge loss. It's a fucked up system, but you can't just build a ton of hospital rooms for a minor bump in illness. People that lived a full life are dying. Not kids or babies. It sucks, but gotta put it in perspective.
643   RC2006   2020 Dec 16, 8:36pm  

No I get it and old sick population nature just doing its thing. One thing my wife told me that she didn't see before in last wave is some younger people our age, I hope virus isn't changing for the worse. Like many on this site I think we just look at things more analytical here at times.

I don't think any business should be shuttered.
644   WookieMan   2020 Dec 16, 8:58pm  

RC2006 says
One thing my wife told me that she didn't see before in last wave is some younger people our age, I hope virus isn't changing for the worse.

Could be. I don't deny that. I just don't know what we're going to do. The vast majority of front line workers dealing with this, nurses, tend to be younger. They're not dying, yet seeing the most exposure. Docs do the minimal work required, so they're not exposed as much outside of an ER setting.

Not you, but I think a lot of people negate the fact that procedures and health issues were put off. There are people that were feeling ill with major issues and were told to stay home basically. Some of those issues are much worse now with delayed treatment. That stuff doesn't stop developing during a pandemic. Now imagine delaying treatment and you get a flu like bug. I think that is why we're seeing a spike in hospitalizations besides the aging population.

This in my opinion is the outcome/consequence of the early lock downs. It's made this all way worse than it needed to be. We know how most virus work. We should have opened up and let this spread like a mother fucker in the summer. Too late now.
646   Onvacation   2020 Dec 18, 8:43pm  

WookieMan says
you can't just build a ton of hospital rooms for a minor bump in illness.

You can bring in some hospital ships or built a couple tent hospitals.
647   Onvacation   2020 Dec 18, 8:46pm  

RC2006 says
One thing my wife told me that she didn't see before in last wave is some younger people our age,

What were their comorbidities? CDC says 90% of covid deaths had at least one comorbidity.



It's sad that so many old people are dying. It's sadder that so many young people aren't living.
648   Onvacation   2020 Dec 18, 8:47pm  

At least one KNOWN comorbidity.
650   WookieMan   2020 Dec 18, 8:48pm  

Onvacation says
WookieMan says
you can't just build a ton of hospital rooms for a minor bump in illness.

You can bring in some hospital ships or built a couple tent hospitals.

Yes. That weren't needed and likely won't on this 15th wave or whatever we're at now. I have Covid fatigue. My kids need to do normal shit. Vaccine is here. Open back up. Fuck.
651   just_passing_through   2020 Dec 18, 9:26pm  

WookieMan says
I have Covid fatigue.


Asshole! Mr. Travel all over during covid while I have to push buttons on a keyboard in the correct order all day in my apartment! YOU have fatigue?

Just pulling your chain...
652   WookieMan   2020 Dec 18, 10:11pm  

just_passing_through says
Just pulling your chain...

I know. I'm legit a bit depressed though. Only have spring break kind of planned and IL winters suck. We're booked for Mexico in Jan. but I have a dumb ass sister in law going to jail and we're taking in the nephew. We want to as we're the most stable of my wife's fucked up family. He just doesn't have his passport and it ain't gonna happen by the time we'd leave. We asked her to get it taken care of, but this is why people go to jail... morons.

CUN, STT and SJU are all way more strict than any US airport I've been in. Unless they have the temp scanners hidden that I didn't see. STT and SJU we got physically temp'd and needed <72hr negative tests (holy fuck on that timing with an overnight layover), and CUN they funneled you in through a pathway and you could see the machine. Contact tracing at all 3.

I'm pretty convinced that Covid was created by the US and they know it's a nothing burger and the cat is out of the bag (they let it out in China). We're the most dominant nation on the planet, yet during a supposed pandemic, our airports are wide open. All you need is a face diaper. I dunno. Seems weird.

My biggest beef is SW still isn't severing booze. Most our destinations didn't require me to drive, so I like to pound beer on the flight. Flying is safe, I just can't stand sitting in a baby seat as a 6'3" man and it gets my anxiety going. Slight claustrophobia and a couple beers calms me (no hard liquor mini bottles as I don't do the hard stuff). My foot was in a knee down boot for two trips. Fuck that shit along with the mask. Part of my Covid fatigue I suppose. Can't just be normal.

Pro Tip: Don't ever fucking break anything in your foot or ankle region. Leg would suck, but likely just a hard cast and therapy to regain muscle. I'm 100 days deep and this is pure misery. I frankly rather would have been stabbed or shot and been in the ICU for a week. Mobility is a thing and I've never had it taken from me. It blows.
653   Onvacation   2020 Dec 20, 10:52pm  

I just heard an interview with Bill Gates. He says the new administration has a good plan to distribute the vaccine domestically and we can then begin to vaccinate the world.

He reckoned we should be able to get back to something like the old normal in 12 to 18 months.
654   Onvacation   2020 Dec 21, 8:42am  

WHO da Fuck made Bill Gates, a dropout who couldn't even keep viruses out of his software, the leading expert on vaccinations? How can he vaccinate the world AND lower population?

Never trusted that asshole.
656   richwicks   2020 Dec 27, 11:52am  

WookieMan says
I frankly rather would have been stabbed or shot and been in the ICU for a week.


You don't know anybody that has been shot or stabbed do you? I know a man that was shot, he was in intensive care with an induced coma for 6 months. He was a beast of a man that could easily lift 250 lbs from the floor. Now he's a skinny man with dementia. Glad he became rich before he got shot, and has a good wife to take care of him.
657   Onvacation   2021 Jan 2, 10:23am  

LA area hospitals at record capacity!

https://newtube.app/TonyHeller/ogZdXOB
658   WookieMan   2021 Jan 2, 10:39am  

Onvacation says
LA area hospitals at record capacity!

https://newtube.app/TonyHeller/ogZdXOB

Good on that guy for going out and getting facts. My nurse friend took a $10k pay bump to "join" the covid unit outside of Chicago. It's dead. They're bored. Yet we hear otherwise.

She did say the people with legit Covid are suffering, but admits they have all sorts of other problems and are near dead anyway. I'm convinced at this point that anecdotal information is better than what the media is reporting.
661   RC2006   2021 Jan 12, 8:35am  

Make a segment of the population that is both nearly immune and non spreader get a vacine as requirement, fuck LA/CA glad I'm out of there.
663   Patrick   2021 Jan 12, 9:10am  

Onvacation says


A happy and a sad scene.

We need millions of people like that guy. Billions, even. Good natured, reasonable, human!

And then the fucking police go and arrest him.

How can we reach the police?
664   Onvacation   2021 Jan 12, 11:10am  

Patrick says
How can we reach the police?

The good ones? they are resigning and getting fired. The bad ones? They can be reached with a thirty ought six.
665   WookieMan   2021 Jan 12, 12:22pm  

Onvacation says
Patrick says
How can we reach the police?

The good ones? they are resigning and getting fired. The bad ones? They can be reached with a thirty ought six.

OV is right on the cops. Here in IL the legislature had a bill drafted and then changed the name/number of it about 3-4 days ago. I believe voting on it this week It basically strips all protection from individual officers. Every single cop I know is legitimately thinking of getting a new job doing something else. At least in IL. Because of all this bullshit with Floyd (druggie) and the other guy from Kenosha refusing to listen and reaching for a knife.

We're literally not going to have a functional police force or at best a bunch of the crazy and bad cops running around making law as they go. All this because of a druggie and a wife beater. God bless America. lol. I guess progress sometimes takes a step back.
666   Onvacation   2021 Jan 12, 5:18pm  

Onvacation says
Patrick says
How can we reach the police?

The good ones? they are resigning and getting fired. The bad ones? They can be reached with a thirty ought six.

I would like to retract. I would never hurt anyone that wasn't immediately threatening me or someone I care about.

The police has been militarized for so long that anyone not in their club is considered enemy or civilian. And they can't tell which so they assume anyone that is not in uniform is an enemy until proven otherwise. They have been at war since the Anti-war riots of the late 70's. The war on drugs, the war on terror, and now the war on the invisible enemy. It would be hard to be a police officer if you weren't a brainwashed bully.

I still wouldn't indiscriminately kill a police officer just because they are the fist of tyranny.
667   MisdemeanorRebel   2021 Jan 12, 5:31pm  

Onvacation says


Dark and insurrectionist thought:

This will be used to assert we need to wear masks indefinitely. "It works so well on the Flu, too! It would be murdering grandma not to make masks permanent"
668   PeopleUnited   2021 Jan 12, 8:37pm  

I heard some expert saying that with schools closed, the flu is not spreading because the flu starts with kids. I’m not buying it but they sure do try to hide the fact that Wuhan flu deaths are way overcounted.
669   GNL   2021 Jan 12, 8:49pm  

WookieMan says
It basically strips all protection from individual officers.

Can you expand on this? What protections will be stripped?
670   WookieMan   2021 Jan 13, 4:08am  

WineHorror1 says
Can you expand on this? What protections will be stripped?

I haven't read the bill myself. It's something along the lines that an interaction with an individual, even if found guilty later, you could still personally be sued. So if you chase someone down after you see them shoot someone and during the takedown process you break the guys arm. I guess he can now sue you directly. Supposedly it's something along those lines. I'll try to look it up this morning or afternoon and clarify.

I know a ton a cops and it's a HUGE deal in their world. Even cops from outside the state are getting in on the protest. There are multiple part to it I guess, but the biggie is the protection of the individual cop. The fact they changed the name of the bill to something not similar to the first bill is pretty telling. They want to hide it. After the Dems here failed on progressive income taxes, they don't want another failure. They're blind and tone deaf though, trying to push through unpopular legislation.
671   WookieMan   2021 Jan 13, 4:14am  

Screw it, did it now. Here's a bullet point list. You can read the article here: https://www.riverbender.com/articles/details/law-makers-in-illinois-trying-to-pass-police-reform-bill-46926.cfm

These are some highlights of the bill:

Eliminates Qualified Immunity for police officers, making them personally liable in civil suits.
Eliminates Officer’s rights to Collectively Bargain, creating a “special class” of public employee rights in Illinois that can only negotiate over wages and benefits!
No contractual language regarding discipline and discharge procedures for police officers.
Allows officers to be disciplined based on anonymous and unsubstantiated or unverifiable complaints.
Mandates that unverified complaints be kept with no time limit, no removal and no limits on.
Substantially increases both initial and ongoing training requirements but does not provide any funding for increased costs and no assurances that the courses will even be offered.
Mandates the use of body cameras by all departments for every officer but does not include money to pay for cameras.
Withholds money from any city that does not comply with the requirements of the legislation.
Eliminates funding for law enforcement agencies
Eliminates Cash Bail while enacting multiple benefits for people convicted of committing crimes.
672   RC2006   2021 Jan 13, 6:16am  

Illinois leaders are blessed with the ability to push the boundaries of what a hellscape should Look like. The voters there want to live in a lawless jungle.
673   RWSGFY   2021 Jan 14, 8:58am  



Exactly 1 year ago.
675   WookieMan   2021 Jan 14, 10:06am  

FuckCCP89 says
Exactly 1 year ago.

The one year ago link at the bottom is going to be interesting in the coming weeks and months.
676   Onvacation   2021 Feb 18, 5:33pm  

According to the CDC's latest numbers 197 people under the age of 18 have died from this "Pandemic". An additional 1,612 aged between 18 and 29 have died. To round out those less than 50, 17,799 between 30 and 49 have died. Most of them had 2 or more comorbidities.

The real deaths start after retirement. 373,428 senior citizens aged 65 and over have died with covid.

It would be harsh to say they would have died anyway.

It's even more harsh the world they are building for us, "to protect the vulnerable".

This insanity has got to stop.
677   GlocknLoad   2021 Feb 18, 8:58pm  

Onvacation says
It's even more harsh the world they are building for us, "to protect the vulnerable".

If all of this that is happening is about a virus, it would be so much cheaper if they simply protected the vulnerable and allowed them to vaccinate (err, I mean bio test) first...and only if they wanted the experimental concoction. But, nope, logic says it is not about a virus.
678   Onvacation   2021 Mar 13, 10:18pm  

Two weeks to flatten the curve started a year ago.
679   PeopleUnited   2021 Mar 14, 6:25am  

Onvacation says
*The deep state/media/globalists fear mongering pushing* Two weeks to flatten the curve started a year ago.


Fixed it for you. The curve never was flattened and probably the curve is not even real seeing as how the CDC changed the rules for reporting “cases.”
680   theoakman   2021 Mar 14, 6:44am  

Flattening the curve was designed to reduce the peak but spread it out over a longer time period as to not overrun the healthcare system. A month into it, they transformed it into, reduce cases to baseline. At the beginning of summer, they instilled in people's minds that it would be a crime if anyone else got the virus from someone else.

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