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Dr. Zelenko gave another great interview with Dr. Drew a few days ago. You really get a great view of a doctor on the front lines to see how to deal with this disease.

Basically, he says, the viral load explodes around day 6. A patient coming to a doctor on day 4 or 5, gets tested, gets the results on Day 7 or 8 which is late in the game where hospitalization is necessary. And, many of the tests are giving false negatives. Intervening as quickly as possible to avoid hospitalization entirely. Wow...preventative medicine...what a thought. I have a feeling doctors on the forefront are just doing this and not giving public interviews about it. We have cases rising in all kinds of states without the corresponding mass deaths.

Basically, anyone coming in should get the $20 HCQ, Zinc treatment just based on symptoms. They address the politicization of the drug along with the fact that big pharma would not want you to take this as opposed to a much much more expensive treatment. He says he submitted his results for publication and peer review.

www.youtube.com/embed/3ywj-PZTt4g

Rin says

But rdm already knows this (since I'm repeating myself)

Yes you are, the thing is there are some very smart people trying to find ways to treat this virus. Why does everyone on this site think they are smarter? This friggin drug may or may not help but it isn't the "game changer" that it was promoted as, that much we do know. There are many therapeutics to try and most docs. and scientists are moving on to other therapies and seem to be having success. The death rate is not increasing in tandem with the number of cases, and hospitalizations are having better outcomes. Some of this is certainly due to the declining ages of the infected populations but not all. They are learning how to better treat seriously ill patients by treating seriously ill patients.

rdm says

Rin says

But rdm already knows this (since I'm repeating myself)

Yes you are, the thing is there are some very smart people trying to find ways to treat this virus. Why does everyone on this site think they are smarter? This friggin drug may or may not help but it isn't the "game changer" that it was promoted as, that much we do know. There are many therapeutics to try and most docs. and scientists are moving on to other therapies and seem to be having success. The death rate is not increasing in tandem with the number of cases, and hospitalizations are having better outcomes. Some of this is certainly due to the declining ages of the infected populations but not all. They are learning how to better treat seriously ill patients by treating seriously ill patients.

Let me see ... Remdesivir, the first full treatment for Hepatitis-C, was touted by Dr Fauci for Covid-19, at roughly the same time as HCQ was being advocated by the amateurs. The difference is that the full Hep-C treatment of Remdesivir costs some $900K (w/ insurance picking up a lot of that tab) and today, there are a lot fewer Hep-C patients than they were in the past so the Gilead Pharma doesn't make much money on their Hep-C crowd.

Yes, these appear to be really "smart ppl". BTW, I'd also scored a 34 on the MCAT (before the re-scaling) so I'm really convinced that these are "Isaac Newtons (not corrupt corportists) and I'm just an ordinary guy in finance", who'd left STEM for the real money.

And at the same time, I haven't heard anything about anything else.

Here's another one of my threads ...

https://patrick.net/post/1332804?offset=0#comment-1677373

Excerpt: "I've actually done my own "amateur" clinical trial on this subject.

I have a dozen persons, all over 45, taking a cocktail of R-Lipoic Acid (200 mg/day), Turmeric w/ peppercorn (not standardized as each have their own favorite vendor), Quercetin (split into 2, 250 mg servings, day vs evening), Allisure's Allicin (from Garlic, 150 mg/day), a chelated ionic mineral supplement which has both zinc and copper.

From having regular colds, flus, and sore joints, all of them were symptom free for the past year. In other words, aside from one martial artist, who overexercises & injures himself regularly, none of the others have had any of the ordinary signs of aging. And as of now, none have had Covid-19, as their bodies areas quite capable of fighting off many infections. One person appears to have reversed all signs of gum disease.

I'm waiting for Brix and Fauci to fund a bigger study on a several 1000 persons. LOL!"

marcus says

How and why was he elected in the first place ?

Hillary.

marcus says

What does it say about the state of America and the character of it's people that they not only elected him, but they didn't reject him either, as he embarrassed the majority of it's citizens on a daily basis ?

Smart people who dodged the bullet of having an evil warmongering witch for president. We probably wouldn't have covid as we would be busy fighting a war.

marcus says

And then finally, who cares ? If you are treating people as individuals, why obsess about group differences ? This is why to me, your point seems so racist.

So all lives do matter?

rdm says

Why does everyone on this site think they are smarter?

It's a forum dude. You're doing the same by saying it's not working. No one is also claiming to be smarter either. Most are opinions and some are educated opinions whether you like it or not.

If no one puts a thought out there, nothing gets questioned. As long as it stays civil it's good to question things and have some back and forth with people that have opinions and sometimes have actual knowledge of a topic. No one is 100% right or educated on a topic. I learn a lot from this site to be honest. What I've hated is that something not political at all, gets turned political. It makes no sense.

rdm says

Yes you are, the thing is there are some very smart people trying to find ways to treat this virus. Why does everyone on this site think they are smarter? This friggin drug may or may not help but it isn't the "game changer" that it was promoted as, that much we do know. There are many therapeutics to try and most docs. and scientists are moving on to other therapies and seem to be having success. The death rate is not increasing in tandem with the number of cases, and hospitalizations are having better outcomes. Some of this is certainly due to the declining ages of the infected populations but not all. They are learning how to better treat seriously ill patients by treating seriously ill patients.

A little bit of background.

BS in Chemistry
PhD in Physical Chemistry
I was involved on the research end of the development of the most effective HIV drugs to date, Reverse Transcriptase Inhibitors. I've worked on the synthesis of those same drugs and my research was in Biophysics. Specifically, I looked at the biophysics of the drugs interacting with the Reverse Transcriptase enzyme.
I now teach Physics for a living.

Given that I understand chemistry and the physics of interactions of drugs at the molecular level, I've done far far more than your average physician in terms of drug development or disease treatment.

That being said, I do not assume to be smarter than everyone in this fight. What you fail to realize that there is literature the past 20 years studying both Hydroxychloroquine's effectiveness as a Zinc Ionophore and Zinc's effectiveness at inhibiting various viral replication, SPECIFICALLY CORONAVIRUSES!. These protocols of HCQ combined with Zinc were developed by pathologists!

That being said, yes, I am smarter than everyone in the media reporting on this, including cracks like Sanjay Gupta. Most definitely smarter than Anderson Cooper or Joy Behar. The fact of the matter is, the media hysteria that surrounded the drug is entirely owned by the left and what they did was scare patients from performing in planned clinical trials. They've also prevented doctors from coming out publicly with their results because they don't want to deal with the mob. I suggest you watch the interview with Dr. Zelenko, you might learn a lot.

Specifically, you would learn that HCQ + Zinc appears to be a great treatment in the earliest stages of the virus while other things such as Remdesivir and Steroids are more appropriate in the latter stages. Furthermore, the goal is likely going to be a magic bullet consisting of a cocktail of medications. That's how they were able to reign in HIV.

theoakman says

I am smarter than everyone in the media reporting on this, including cracks like Sanjay Gupta. Most definitely smarter than Anderson Cooper or Joy Behar.

But you don't tell them what they want to hear :(

Rin says

Excerpt: "I've actually done my own "amateur" clinical trial on this subject

Pass as to your medical advice. However, I do acknowledge your are an expert in the specialized field of titty fucking. ;-)

theoakman says

That being said, I do not assume to be smarter than everyone in this fight.

In this case, being humble is not the case. You probably are smarter than 90% of those in this fight because you're no longer 'controlled' by XYZ pharma or one of Fauci's grants to continue your academic work.

Years ago in Britain, at the Univ of London, the researchers who'd first shown that Allisure Allicin (not the baked garlic in the faux hypertension Stanford study) inhibited MRSA growth in vivo (not just in vitro), have been facing all kinds of political hurdles in trying to opt for a wider scale test.

And if you think about it, the South Korean HCQ + Zinc study is not being reproduced here. Instead, it's a HCQ + some antibiotic (which does nothing for a virus) and no separation of the patient populations. So how are these ppl smarter than you? If anything, they have a vested interest in failing in order to kowtow to a more expensive protocol.

At least I'm in finance to make money and fuck hoes. No one can accuse me of being a hypocrite.

Dr. Zelenko releases his work: https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202007.0025/v1

He specifically calls out the fact that all these studies conveniently fail to include Zinc.

Antiviral effects of HCQ are well-documented.19It is also known that chloroquine and probably HCQ have zinc ionophore characteristics, increasing intracellular zinc concentrations.20Zinc itself is able to inhibit coronavirus RNA-dependent RNA polymerase activity (RdRp).21It has beenhypothesized that zinc may enhance the efficacy of HCQ in treating COVID-19 patients.22The first clinical trial results confirmingthis hypothesis wererecently published as preprint.23Nevertheless, many studies with HCQ in monotherapy or in combination with the antibiotic azithromycin have been inconclusive so far.13-16In all of these studies, HCQ was used later than 5days after onset of symptoms when hospitalized patients most likely had already progressed to stage II or III of the disease.6Regardless of the established antiviral effects of zinc and that many COVID-19 patients are prone to zinc deficiencies, dependent on comorbidities and drug treatments,22none of these studies were designed to include zinc supplementation as combination treatment.

theoakman says

He specifically calls out the fact that all these studies conveniently fail to include Zinc.

Thank you. Now, you've dropped that unneeded humility.

The so-called smart ppl in this fight against Covid-19 and any of its future derivatives are paid for by Fauci's NIH grants or big pharma's coffers.

And thus, they are not smart but hypocritical academic/corporate stooges (with just enough intelligence to get through their programs), doing their masters' biddings.