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The narrative instilled in people's minds by the lamestream media and certain leftoids is now that Sweden is a failure because they have a moderate to high infection/death rate compared to other countries, however they are somewhere around 5-10 in the top 10 with many countries with strict lockdowns with higher rates in front of them. Nonetheless I have heard that argument now at least 5 times and always had to correct them that there's zero statistical significance in those varations.

ThreeBays says

mell says

The narrative instilled in people's minds by the lamestream media and certain leftoids is now that Sweden is a failure because they have a moderate to high infection/death rate compared to other countries, however they are somewhere around 5-10 in the top 10 with many countries with strict lockdowns with higher rates in front of them. Nonetheless I have heard that argument now at least 5 times and always had to correct them that there's zero statistical significance in those varations.

Sweden should be compared to other Nordic countries, not to countries that were hit by an earlier wave with higher traffic. Sweden already has 5 to 10 times more deaths per capita than its bordering neighbors (Denmark, Norway, Finland).

Sweden has 1.5 x cases per capita than Denmark and twice those of Norway and Finland, nothing to see here. And guess what, the population density per square mile is roughly twice as much for Sweden than for Norway and Finland - who da thunk! The death rate largely depends on age, comorbidites and quality of care. It varies a lot in between those 4 countries relative to infections. I'm sure if you account for missed critical diagnosis for heart disease and cancer, lost economic livelihoods, increases in depression, drug use and suicide, then keeping the economy and hospitals open comes out ahead.

Recovered cases are closing in on 50% of active cases. This is over very soon.

ThreeBays says

I wonder when the death graph starts trending up what the new arguments will be?

With Trump already doubting the death numbers, I think you have your answer.

mell says

. This is over very soon

Are you heading for the convention in NC? What's the motto going to be "Give me a full arena or give me death" and or "Give me a full arena and give me death" ?

rdm says

"Give me a full arena or give me death" and or "Give me a full arena and give me death" ?

How long are people going to act like this cold is Ebola wrapped in AIDS? It's a serious cold that won't kill most people EVEN IF they catch it. For many that do catch it it's not that serious.

rdm says

ThreeBays says

I wonder when the death graph starts trending up what the new arguments will be?

With Trump already doubting the death numbers, I think you have your answer.

mell says

. This is over very soon

Are you heading for the convention in NC? What's the motto going to be "Give me a full arena or give me death" and or "Give me a full arena and give me death" ?

Healthcare Frontline workers have a lower infection rate than the rest of the population. Wear a mask indoors or at a close contact gathering. Case closed.

mell says

ThreeBays says

mell says

The narrative instilled in people's minds by the lamestream media and certain leftoids is now that Sweden is a failure because they have a moderate to high infection/death rate compared to other countries, however they are somewhere around 5-10 in the top 10 with many countries with strict lockdowns with higher rates in front of them. Nonetheless I have heard that argument now at least 5 times and always had to correct them that there's zero statistical significance in those varations.

Sweden should be compared to other Nordic countries, not to countries that were hit by an earlier wave with higher traffic. Sweden already has 5 to 10 times more deaths per capita than its bordering neighbors (Denmark, Norway, Finland).

Sweden has 1.5 x cases per capita than Denmark and twice those...

Maybe 3 bays can explain why LA County has multiple times more per capita cases and deaths than any of the surrounding counties in CA

rdm says

ThreeBays says

I wonder when the death graph starts trending up what the new arguments will be?

With Trump already doubting the death numbers, I think you have your answer.

Give us information that says deaths are going up and GA is in the midst of some massive 2nd wave and you can shut us up pretty quickly. There is none. So you guys just say we're all wrong with no data and say something about lag in testing when likely 80-90% of those that pass or receive critical care have already been tested.

New cases are vastly different than deaths. No need to have a Ph.D. or be a scientist. It's a word on a fucking death certificate.

mell says

Wear a mask indoors or at a close contact gathering

So you think all the loyal Trumpists will be wearing masks at the convention?

rdm says

mell says

Wear a mask indoors or at a close contact gathering

So you think all the loyal Trumpists will be wearing masks at the convention?

No probably not. But it's their decision. As long as nobody infects another knowingly against their will there's no grounds for government interference.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Maybe 3 bays can explain why LA County has multiple times more per capita cases and deaths than any of the surrounding counties in CA

Higher percentage of illegals explains this. When you are living 15 people to a house, it spreads easily inside the house.

Booger says

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Maybe 3 bays can explain why LA County has multiple times more per capita cases and deaths than any of the surrounding counties in CA

Higher percentage of illegals explains this. When you are living 15 people to a house, it spreads easily inside the house.

I don’t know about illegals, but number of blue collar workers in a household is the most plausible explanation I’ve heard this far.

Dr Ferrer (lol she’s not actually a medical doctor) of LA county has said that more than 50% of their cases are from elder care facilities. I’d be very interested to find out how many of the other cases are in households where a resident works in an elder care facility.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Dr Ferrer (lol she’s not actually a medical doctor) of LA county has said that more than 50% of their cases are from elder care facilities. I’d be very interested to find out how many of the other cases are in households where a resident works in an elder care facility.

My guess is that an expensive place to live, like LA, has a below average number of people living in nursing homes.

mell says

No probably not. But it's their decision. As long as nobody infects another knowingly against their will there's no grounds for government interference.

Well I don't think hardly anybody wants to be infected, so that part of your quasi libertarian statement is irrelevant. And since unless one has been tested one cannot know if one has the virus it is sort of ridiculous to use the term knowingly infected, as if someone with aids corn holed you. 35% asymptomatic, many with mild symptoms one simply, in most cases can't know. But one can assume that a certain % of convention goers almost certainly will be contagious. Yeah the government has a role to play here, who is going to clean up the mess when the old, fat, diabetic Republicans on medicare end up on ventilators?

Booger says

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Dr Ferrer (lol she’s not actually a medical doctor) of LA county has said that more than 50% of their cases are from elder care facilities. I’d be very interested to find out how many of the other cases are in households where a resident works in an elder care facility.

My guess is that an expensive place to live, like LA, has a below average number of people living in nursing homes.

The hyper expensive market has only been active for about 5 years. Pre 2001 or so, and again from 2010-2012 both rents and sales prices were remarkably low.

Los Angeles has far more nursing homes — 388 — than any other county in the state. San Diego, the state's second most populous county with about a third of LA's population, has about one-fifth as many nursing homes.

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/coronavirus/density-poverty-keep-los-angeles-struggling-against-virus/2367491/

rdm says

mell says

No probably not. But it's their decision. As long as nobody infects another knowingly against their will there's no grounds for government interference.

Well I don't think hardly anybody wants to be infected, so that part of your quasi libertarian statement is irrelevant. And since unless one has been tested on cannot know if one has the virus it is sort of ridiculous to use the term knowingly infected, as if someone with aids corn holed you. 35% asymptomatic, many with mild symptoms one simply, in most cases can't know. But one can assume that a certain % of convention goers almost certainly will be contagious. Yeah the government has a role to play here, who is going to clean up the mess when the old, fat, diabetic Republicans on medicare end up on ventilators?

Less money to pay out for social security, what's the problem? That was my point there should be no interference, if you go to the event without a mask you're willingly taking a small risk like people do every day with their decisions. Nothing to see here.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

I don’t know about illegals, but number of blue collar workers in a household is the most plausible explanation I’ve heard this far.

Dr Ferrer (lol she’s not actually a medical doctor) of LA county has said that more than 50% of their cases are from elder care facilities. I’d be very interested to find out how many of the other cases are in households where a resident works in an elder care facility.

It kind of makes sense that cases could go from nursing homes to crowded blue collar houses and back again, because nursing home care is typically a pretty low paid occupation.

Futures up and another record low infection / death day. This thing is over don't cling to it.

ThreeBays says

mell says

Sweden has 1.5 x cases per capita than Denmark and twice those of Norway and Finland, nothing to see here.

You're countering deaths per capita with cases per capita? You can't be serious.

Density. Pay attention. Infections and deaths of course are correlated as well but not as strongly as infections and deaths to density.

ThreeBays says

Density wise Sweden is also much lower than France, and it's on track to pass it in total deaths per capita in a week or so.

You realize within every country there are very dense areas called cities, right? If one of these dense areas has a high population of the demographic that is vulnerable, they will have more deaths. Montana has 15/M deaths while NY has 1,507/M deaths. What is the difference between these two locations? I know this has been posted multiple times here, but just use the sort functions and look at the states with some of the worse cases per million. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Everyone is painting with too broad a brush with this virus. Montana should have never been closed down for the short time it was. NY should have been shut down way earlier. This is part of the reason it seems like Trump is passing the blame to governors. Well it's true. They're going to know their state substantially better than the federal government. It was the right response to let the states do what they deemed best, because they know better. Not federal big brother.

ThreeBays says

Sweden has 10 times more deaths per capita than Norway and Finland, and 4 times more than Denmark which has a higher population density than Sweden.

... and 20%+ less than Belgium, France, Italy without a harsh lockdown.

How is Denmark, Norway, and Finland counting? Are they counting like France, US, UK, or are they counting like Germany?

Sure, if you include the Northern Half of Sweden which is Ass Numbing Cold, where nobody lives. Swedish cities on the Baltic and Kattegat, where the vast majority of the population lives, are fairly dense.

About 90% of the 3,700 people who have died from coronavirus in Sweden were over 70, and half were living in care homes, according to a study from Sweden’s National Board of Health and Welfare at the end of April.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/16/across-the-world-figures-reveal-horrific-covid-19-toll-of-care-home-deaths#maincontent