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NoCoupForYou says

richwicks says

Watch it happen.

It already did.

I'm well aware of this. You were denying it in this message

NoCoupForYou says

Yes. It is. The West Bank, it's almost entirely controlled by Israel today. That wasn't true in 1973. It wasn't even true in 1993.

You're forgetting a huge piece of territory that was surrendered - in return for a peace treaty.

Not surprised you don't mention it, since I doubt your favorite sources ever do, as it's a huge counterfactual that basically destroys the "ever expanding belligerent Israel" narrative utterly.

Israel will take it back. Watch.

I think it's funny you trust a country whose military's motto is "through deception, we make war".

I entirely ignore their statements, and just watch what they do. They'll take over Gaza at some point, and drive the people into Egypt just as they are taking over the West Bank who currently offers them no resistance, into Jordan and shrinking parcels of land.

They don't want peace, they want land, cheap land they can develop.

richwicks says

I'm well aware of this. You were denying it in this message

I wasn't denying it - you have no clue what territory I'm talking about.

richwicks says

I entirely ignore their statements, and just watch what they do. They'll take over Gaza at some point, and drive the people into Egypt just as they are taking over the West Bank who currently offers them no resistance, into Jordan and shrinking parcels of land.

You still have no idea what I'm talking about. I'll tell you later if you don't get it.

NoCoupForYou says

I'm well aware of this. You were denying it in this message

I wasn't denying it - you have no clue what territory I'm talking about.

Then tell me, because I was talking about the West Bank which they have all but taken over since 1973.

NoCoupForYou says

I entirely ignore their statements, and just watch what they do. They'll take over Gaza at some point, and drive the people into Egypt just as they are taking over the West Bank who currently offers them no resistance, into Jordan and shrinking parcels of land.

You still have no idea what I'm talking about. I'll tell you later if you don't get it.

Strange how you can't explain what you're talking about.

Gaza is a shithole that Israel tried to pass off on Egypt in the late 1960's. They didn't give anything up by getting rid of it. The United States paid the illegal settlers to move, to the West Bank. Israel didn't spend a dime on that.

Why is the United States involved?

And I guarantee, Israel will take it back. It was a fake "concession".

richwicks says

Then tell me, because I was talking about the West Bank which they have all but taken over since 1973.

By Spring of 1982, the Israelis withdrew from the Sinai, itself much larger than than all Israel, in return for a Peace Treaty with Egypt.

In Winter 1967, after the Six Day War, Israel wanted to return Sinai AND the Golan to Egypt and Syria, respectively.

The Egyptians and Syrians gave the famous "Three No's" answer:

On September 1, 1967, the Arab League summit delivered the "Three No's" - no to peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, and no negotiations with Israel. This declaration was passed as part of the Khartoum resolution, at a summit attended by eight Arab heads of state in the shadow of the Six-Day War, which saw Israel's speedy defeat of Egypt, Jordan and Syria. The conclusion of the war brought with it Israel's occupation of the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank and the Golan Heights.

https://www.jpost.com/features/in-thespotlight/this-week-in-history-the-arab-leagues-three-nos


This hugeass area, larger than Israel itself, was returned to Egypt. A small piece of the Golan was also returned to Syria as a mark of goodwill, but that was promptly returned with funding of Hezbollah terrorism over the Lebanon border, and artillery strikes by the House of Assad from the returned piece of Golan.

Little known fact: Gaza was also supposed to return to Egyptian control, but Egypt refused it - better to antagonize Israel with stateless rebels, than have to take responsibility for the attacks itself.

To this day, the Egyptian-Gaza border is manned 24-7 by hundreds of automatic rifle armed Egyptian soliders and a big ass concrete wall that nobody talks about. It is closed almost year-round. Egyptian Navy and Army routinely sinks Palestinian boats that intrude into Egyptian waters, civilian fisherman and smugglers alike without warning or discrimination. First, because Palestinians were smuggling drugs, but today because Hamas is smuggling guns and RPGs to Al Qaeda in the Sinai to attack the the Egyptian government with.

I'm in favor of Israel declaring Hamas the Government of the State of Gaza, so the next time a rocket attack happens - probably within hours of such an announcement, Israel can freely regard it as a belligerent, unprovoked attack by a sovereign state and has no obligation to allow aid in.

So much for the ever-expanding nonsense.

NoCoupForYou says

Then tell me, because I was talking about the West Bank which they have all but taken over since 1973.

Jesus.

Where is the West Bank? This is the land that Israel controlled in 1947:


And just so we're clear, here's the link to that:

https://www.ijs.org.au/partition-resolution-1947/

That was UN Resolution 181, what the NEWLY FORMED JUST CREATED state of Israel controlled.

Whenever I discuss fucking Israel I get a shitload of propaganda relentlessly shoved up my asshole. Bunch of twats that either don't know history of just lie about it and I'm dealing with some jerkoff that either has absolutely no idea what they are talking about puking out evangelical bullshit propaganda or some fucking propagandist that knows what they are lying about. It's tiresome.

Yes, let's fucking pretend Israel is shrinking. Yes, let's just fucking lie. Settlements are getting smaller, not expanding.

You do realize that the use of a military to take over Lebensraum is banned by the Geneva Conventions because Nazi Germany did it? Right? I'm descended by Polish Immigrants, the plan, the WRITTEN plan was to first enslave the Polish, then exterminate them, then bring the Germans in.

I find it fucking hilariously ironic that Israel is attempting to do the same fucking thing.

Did you still miss the Sinai?

Holy shit.

It's a fact, not propaganda, that Israel returned an area larger than itself in return for a peace treaty with just ONE Arab Nation.

This utterly nullifies any claim that Israel is "Continually Expanding".

Only a militant ignorant can continue to insist on an expanding Israel.

The Settlements have actual proof of ownership where Jews were expelled by Jordan during that country's unilateral annexation of the West Bank. The settlements 100x over would not be anywhere near the size of the Sinai alone.

richwicks says

Where is the West Bank? This is the land that Israel controlled in 1947:

This plan was never approved by the Arabs. They rejected ANY area for Jews and immediately attacked.

richwicks says

Israel has shrunk. The victors write the history and draw the maps.

Expanding Israel:



And bus stop rammings and random knife attacks.

richwicks says

What does your father think of the situation?

My father was Irish, and died in 2008, so it's hard to ask him.

richwicks says

mostly_reader says

> richwicks

There are exactly two things that matter most about this conflict:

1) If Arab states lay down their arms, there is no conflict
2) If Israel lays down her arms, there is no Israel

It's as simple as that.

Oh what utter crap.

When is the last time the West Bank attacked Israel? 25 years ago maybe?

Then why do Israeli settlements in the West Bank continue to expand then?

Because Israel is going to exterminate them, slowly, but they will.

And do you know how many times I've seen what you just wrote, repeated, to me, verbatim? You're repeating propaganda to me, not a thought. If you want to talk about this issue, think, don't just repeat propaganda. It's not a land without a people for a people without a land. The entire nation was built on lies and propaganda.

Which of the two points that I stated do you dispute?

Do you claim that if Arab states lay down arms there will still be conflict, and submit settlements in the West Bank as proof?

Then you are either ignorant or intentionally misleading. Are you aware of the events of 1967, and how Jordan lost control of that land? How did that land become "subject to settlements"? Do you know what fedayeen made of it, until Israel got it under control? Do you know what King Hussein did with Palestinians who moved to Jordan, and why? This last point is relevant because it shows: fedayeen wreak havoc in any place where they find home. It later happened in Libya, which is no longer "Middle East Switzerland" and which may regret that they did not have their own King Hussein. When was the last time the West Bank attacked Israel, you ask? Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel#West_Bank It's one google search away, you are welcome. Also, google "terror attacks Jerusalim". "Settlements in West Bank" is as weak of an argument as they get.

Or do you claim that it proves that if Israel lays down her arms she'll be just fine? Then you are delusional, plain and simple.

That statement is both accurate and damning to your point of view. You'd need to try a lot harder than dismiss it by calling a name. So far, you've submitted hissy fit in lieu of arguments.

mostly_reader says

Do you claim that if Arab states lay down arms there will still be conflict, and submit settlements in the West Bank as proof?

I claim that the West Bank HAS laid down its arms 25 years ago, and they will slowly be driven our, or exterminated as a result, possibly a combination of both.

The West Bank is going to be annexed shortly. I give it about 5-10 years. The Palestinians in the West Bank, they are fucked.

richwicks says

I claim that the West Bank HAS laid down its arms 25 years ago, and they will slowly be driven our, or exterminated as a result, possibly a combination of both.

If it's laying down it's arms, why does it continue to pay the families of terrorists who have committed attacks since then with PayToSlay? From it's International Aid Money, no less.

richwicks says

The West Bank is going to be annexed shortly. I give it about 5-10 years. The Palestinians in the West Bank, they are fucked.

Yeah, they'll get without moving what all the Levantine Arabs want to do by claiming Rapefugee status - get into a high HDI country.

The solution is easily resolved - just treat Palestinians like all other Refugees, not the special inherited nobility refugees, where their parents, grandparents, and their children - are all considered Refugees despite having multiple citizenships and properties all over the world. Like Linda Sarsour, who is born in Brooklyn, to parents born in Jordan, and kids born in NYS, who own multiple properties in the US & Abroad - yet all are "Refugees".

All the Palestinians in Jordan, Lebanon (where the PLO caused the Civil War that resulted in the flight of Christians as to lose their plurality), US, UK will be correctly considered non-Refugees, because they aren't.

That being said, West Bank Palestinians should be forced out the next time there is a major world crisis and attention is elsewhere. Jordan is 75% of the Mandate of Palestine, that's their homeland. Gaza should be declared an independent country - and if any Gaza rockets should be launched at Israel, that's an attack by a sovereign state and an Act of War.

NoCoupForYou says

I claim that the West Bank HAS laid down its arms 25 years ago, and they will slowly be driven our, or exterminated as a result, possibly a combination of both.

If it's laying down it's arms, why does it continue to pay the families of terrorists who have committed attacks since then with PayToSlay? From it's International Aid Money, no less.

I don't know! Why did Trump collude with the Russians? Why did Iranians place limpet mines on oil ships, including a japanese tanker when Shinzo Abe was in Iran visiting to make a trade deal? Why did Assad keep gassing his own people? Why did Qaddafi threaten to cause a humanitarian crisis in Libya? How come Saddam Hussein had a weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq? Why did Ukraine have a revolution? Why did Iraqi soldiers invade Kuwait, to remove babies from incubators, to place them on the floor to die? Why did the Gulf of Tonkin Incident happen?

Gee whiz, I just don't know. Sometimes I suspect that the media might be lying to me, but how crazy and silly would THAT be!?!

Think it's possible you might be repeating propaganda?

NoCoupForYou says

The West Bank is going to be annexed shortly. I give it about 5-10 years. The Palestinians in the West Bank, they are fucked.

Yeah, they'll get without moving what all the Levantine Arabs want to do by claiming Rapefugee status - get into a high HDI country.

The solution is easily resolved - just treat Palestinians like all other Refugees,

They're already not considered human. They NEVER were considered human, not in 1947 and not today, at least by the Zionist supremacists.

As I said, the Palestinians will be wiped out and nobody will stop it, and it will happen slowly. It's on a clear, obvious 70 year trajectory now.

FuckCCP89 says

Put out by the Biden DOT, LOL.