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The Catherine Principle for Negotiating With the Turks – Let Arms Do the Talking


               
2020 Mar 8, 5:11am   670 views  4 comments

by Al_Sharpton_for_President   follow (6)  

Between 11:30 Moscow time on Thursday and 14:00, President Vladimir Putin spent two and a half hours talking with the Turkish President, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, with interpreters present but no one else, and including lunch and toilet breaks. The two presidents then spent three hours and twenty minutes in talks with delegations of their officials before appearing at 17:22 for another sixteen minutes in front of the press. The Turkish clock for the negotiations counted 5 hours 40 minutes; the Kremlin clock, six hours.

The outcome was a document entitled “Additional Protocol to the Memorandum on Stabilization of the Situation in the Idlib De-escalation Area”. This comprises an agreement of three paragraphs amounting to ten lines, and a preamble of four paragraphs repeating what professionals call boilerplate; that’s to say, points with which everyone agrees in principle, and no one in practice.

The difference between the amount of time and effort expended and the outcome isn’t between the mountain and the molehill. It is the result of the Russian side applying the brief script dictated to Putin by the Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu, the Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, and the General Staff led by General Valery Gersasimov, and confirmed the day before by the Security Council.

The script is dictated by the principle of the tsarina, Empress Catherine II, during the Turkish-Russian wars of 1768 to 1792. The principle is that nothing the Turks say they agree to or sign can be relied upon; and that everything the Turks can’t achieve with their army will be tested again and again, until and unless they are defeated by the battle of arms and the defence of territory by more force than the Turks can overcome. The corollary of the Catherine principle is that the new agreement between Putin and Erdogan cannot last for long. Because both sides know this, their heads were in the down position, their eyes averted, for longer than has ever been recorded at their summit meetings before.

The Russian state news agency Sputnik has published this minute-by-minute time line of the Kremlin talks. The Kremlin website has published much less.

Erdogan began the negotiations by announcing he didn’t want to be there, but agreed out of solicitude for Putin. “As you know,” he told Putin in the scene pictured below, “we were going to hold this meeting in Turkey but due to your ongoing work on constitutional amendments, we decided to accept your invitation and come here.” It was difficult for either man to look each other in the eye over a lie like that.

A Syrian commentator did not miss the significance of the location, publishing a photograph of the Turkish delegation – including Defence Minister Hulusi Akar, MIT intelligence chief Hakan Fidan, Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu — standing beneath a statue of Catherine which he ringed in red for emphasis.

The Kremlin has so far been a model of public reticence. The one important photograph published on the Kremlin website of the initial meeting before the talks got under way was of Defence Minister Shoigu shaking hands with Akar and Erdogan. The statue under which they were standing was of Tsar Peter I in military uniform. The day before, Shoigu’s spokesman at the Defence Ministry, Major General Igor Konashenkov, had laid down a marker for the incoming Turks.

“No one in the West notices the actions of the Turkish side,” Konashenkov said in a prepared statement, “which, in violation of international law, has deployed a strike force the size of a mechanised division to Syria’s Idlib in order to ‘enforce the Sochi agreements at any cost’”. A mechanised division usually amounts to at least 10,000 troops; Russian estimates to date of the Turkish Army deployment in the Idlib zone have counted no more than five battalion groups of about 5,000 men.

These numbers were important in the talks between Putin and Erdogan because the Turks want to add more; through Konashenkov the Russians have said there were already too many. There is no telling what Putin replied to Erdogan in their one-on-one session. The terms of agreement released after the meeting of delegations announce a ceasefire along the line of contact between Turkish and Syrian forces, as they are this morning, together with a 6-kilometre deep “security corridor” on the northern and southern sides of the M4 Syrian national highway, with joint patrolling of the highway and the corridors by Turkish and Russian units, commencing in ten days’ time.

Two sentences in the preamble which the presidents agreed make fresh Turkish arms and additional troops in the Idlib area unlikely. The first is that the Turks accept “their strong commitment to the sovereignty, independence, unity and territorial integrity of the Syrian Arab Republic”; the second sentence says “there can be no military solution to the Syrian conflict”. Western analysts judge these points mean that “this for now also ends the Turkish threat to attack the Syrian army and to reconquer all areas it had liberated over the last months. Erdogan, who had made many demands, saw none of them fulfilled.”

Russian analysts are more cautious: “Erdogan had to make substantial concessions to get out of the situation,” Boris Rozhin (“Colonel Cassad”) commented. “The new status quo is fixed by the state of the current front line. The Sochi Line is restored. The М5 highway, although not explicitly mentioned, remains in Assad’s control, and Turkey is obliged to accept this. Turkey undertakes to unlock Route M4 by March 15. This is one of the conditions of the Sochi deal, which Turkey had not fulfilled. Now she has an express deadline. In addition, it should provide a buffer security zone north and south of the route of 6 kilometres.”

“On the other hand, Erdogan has not given specific commitments to separate the ‘moderate’ and ‘unsettled’ militants, meaning that the presence of jihadi gangs in Idlib retains a high potential for escalation, both with Turkey’s knowledge and simply at the wishes of individual field commanders.”

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1   RWSGFY   2020 Mar 9, 1:49pm  

"A huge Turkish convoy with more than 300 vehicles and armored vehicles is now going deep into Idlib"

https://twitter.com/idlibinsesi1/status/1236755195029315585
2   TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter   2021 Nov 13, 11:45pm  

How Cossacks negotiate with Turks (according to Semi-Legend)





“Oh, Sultan, you Turkish Satan, brother and friend to the damn Devil and secretary to Lucifer himself. What the hell kind of warrior are you?–you can’t kill a hedgehog with your naked ass. The Devil shits, and you and your army eats it. You son of a bitch, you are not worthy to have Christian sons under you. We are not afraid of your army and we will fight you on land and on sea. So fuck your mother.

“You Babylonian servant, Macedonian carpenter, Jerusalem beer-brewer, goat-fucker of Alexandria, swineherd of Upper and Lower Egypt, pig of Armenia, goat of Tatar, hangman of Kamyenets, Podolian thief, and buffoon of all the world and underworld, an idiot before God, grandson of the Evil Serpent himself, pig’s nose, horse’s ass, slaughterhouse dog, unbaptized brow. May the devil burn your ass. This is how the Zaporozhians answer you, you glob of spit. You are unworthy to even herd pigs for Christians.

“Now we’ll end this letter. We don’t know the date and we don’t have a calendar: our month is found in the sky, our year with the Lord, and our day here is the same as it is over there. So kiss our ass.”
3   TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter   2021 Nov 13, 11:47pm  

Tzars wrote somewhat more diplomatic letters to the various Hordes, but those tasked with bringing them generally re-wrote them as sniveling, groveling works. For the very good reason that the Mongol Horde warlords would behead them if they gave them the original letter demanding tribute and obedience to the Czar of All Russia.

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