How Prop 13 spun Bay Area housing costs out of control
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2020 Feb 9, 8:00am 2,284 views 61 comments
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socal2
2020 Feb 11, 2:01pm
just_dregalicious says
Just had lunch with a work colleague who's brother owns a bunch of rental properties in the Orange County area. He said that he would have to raise his rents if this Prop 13 bill passes this Fall.
Renter here too!
Just had lunch with a work colleague who's brother owns a bunch of rental properties in the Orange County area. He said that he would have to raise his rents if this Prop 13 bill passes this Fall.
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AD
2020 Feb 11, 4:04pm
AD
2020 Feb 11, 4:04pm
socal2 says
What kind of rental properties ?
If he owns a few condos that are leased, would he be considered a "small business" or still a "homeowner" ?
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"Under the proposed initiative, county assessors would split their tax rolls into two lists. Homeowners and some small businesses would still receive the full Proposition 13 benefits: a 1% tax based on a property’s purchase value and annual tax increases of no more than 2%. But commercial and industrial property owners would be required to pay more. While their tax rates wouldn’t change, beginning in 2022 the levy would be based on the current market value of the real estate. Business property values would have to be updated by county assessors at least every three years."
Just had lunch with a work colleague who's brother owns a bunch of rental properties in the Orange County area. He said that he would have to raise his rents if this Prop 13 bill passes this Fall.
What kind of rental properties ?
If he owns a few condos that are leased, would he be considered a "small business" or still a "homeowner" ?
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"Under the proposed initiative, county assessors would split their tax rolls into two lists. Homeowners and some small businesses would still receive the full Proposition 13 benefits: a 1% tax based on a property’s purchase value and annual tax increases of no more than 2%. But commercial and industrial property owners would be required to pay more. While their tax rates wouldn’t change, beginning in 2022 the levy would be based on the current market value of the real estate. Business property values would have to be updated by county assessors at least every three years."
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just_passing_through
2020 Feb 11, 4:21pm
just_passing_through
2020 Feb 11, 4:21pm
socal2 says
Yeah well I'm against the initiative. It's pulling the wrong lever.
More development and less permit extortion is what we need.
Deportations too...
Just had lunch with a work colleague who's brother owns a bunch of rental properties in the Orange County area. He said that he would have to raise his rents if this Prop 13 bill passes this Fall.
Yeah well I'm against the initiative. It's pulling the wrong lever.
More development and less permit extortion is what we need.
Deportations too...
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EBGuy
2020 Feb 11, 4:27pm
SEC. 6. Section 2.5 of Article XIII A of the California Constitution is added to read:
(4)(A)"Residential property" shall include real property used as residential property, including both single-family and multi-unit structures, and the land on which those structures are constructed or placed.
(4)(A)"Residential property" shall include real property used as residential property, including both single-family and multi-unit structures, and the land on which those structures are constructed or placed.
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2020 Feb 11, 5:03pm
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2020 Feb 11, 5:03pm
AD says
Of course, they do it, generally a checklist of criteria. Sales cycle is about a year and a half, most of it is the usual (getting naysayers onto your side), when the time comes for the evaluation and scoring, well you already know you'll win if you spoke with the right influencers. It's all bullshit man, it'll never be unbiased.
You mean they don't have their own acquisition and procurement regulations like the Federal Acquisition Regulations (FAR) ?
They should go out for at least 3 competitive bids, etc.
If not awarded solely on lowest bidder or cost, then they should evaluate based on "best value" (i.e., 40% on cost, 25% on past performance, 35% of merit of proposal).
As far as "bribing and kickbacks" the FBI Public Integrity Unit should investigate that and anyone filing a complaint should bypass the local and California state authorities because of conflicts of interest, etc.
Of course, they do it, generally a checklist of criteria. Sales cycle is about a year and a half, most of it is the usual (getting naysayers onto your side), when the time comes for the evaluation and scoring, well you already know you'll win if you spoke with the right influencers. It's all bullshit man, it'll never be unbiased.
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AD
2020 Feb 11, 5:32pm
AD
2020 Feb 11, 5:32pm
Patrick says
Florida has all types of discounts or breaks for property tax.
One is homestead exemption where you get $50,000 off the assessed value of your home.
For the panhandle of Florida this is worthwhile since the average assessed value of a housing unit is about $150,000.
And the average mil rate is 8 mils (i.e., property tax of $1600 annually for a $200,000 home) in Florida panhandle.
For Florida senior citizens who earn less than $37,000 a year, there is a major break off the taxes that usually yields about a 50% discount.
Sure, that's how Prop 13 was sold to the public, and it's a fine idea to protect POOR old people.
Florida has all types of discounts or breaks for property tax.
One is homestead exemption where you get $50,000 off the assessed value of your home.
For the panhandle of Florida this is worthwhile since the average assessed value of a housing unit is about $150,000.
And the average mil rate is 8 mils (i.e., property tax of $1600 annually for a $200,000 home) in Florida panhandle.
For Florida senior citizens who earn less than $37,000 a year, there is a major break off the taxes that usually yields about a 50% discount.
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SunnyvaleCA
2020 Feb 11, 5:45pm
I believe Santa Clara County has a deal where old people can have the county put a lien on their house for the taxes owed. The lien isn't collected until the old person dies (or maybe it is when they move out of their house?). That seems like a great solution to keeping the old people in their homes. If their home didn't increase much in the last 40 years, then even without Prop 13 their taxes wouldn't be very much. If their home price zoomed, they wouldn't need the help of Prop 13 because they could just tap that $1,000,000 (or more!) free equity in their house. If they used their house as an ATM... then they made financial choices and shouldn't be subsidized by everyone else.
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