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If Sacklers get off jail-free, then Jamal selling dope and his supplier Jose from local cartel should also go free after forfeiting 20 percent of their illegitimate gains. Otherwise it is one law for fucking billionaires, other for the rest of us.

No where in the world , people sue Ladder company for not specifying how to use ladder. In usa , lawyers are going wild suing everyone.

Pharma companies spend 2 billion +10 year researching side effects. They provides all this data to fda. Also each drug comes with side effect labeling. There are extensive amount of people working in pharma to track existing n new side effects. They notify fda n update labels everytime there is new side effect.

Pharma is risk based work. There is no pill/ drug without side effects. It's up to the person to read n understand side effects themselves or ask pharmacist or doctor to explain it to them. Purdue makes oxy but doctors prescribed, no blame on doctors over prescribing. There is no personal responsibility.

Us has too many lawyers n so they see $ n try to sue ppl. It's ridiculous.

I wrote a thread on Oxy ages ago ...

https://patrick.net/post/1279660/2015-04-02-for-curious2-morphine-vs-oxycontin

curious2, since you'd mentioned that the makers of Oxycontin promised that it wasn't addictive, it peaked my own curiosity.

Here are the two molecules, side by side for comparison.

Morphine:




Oxycontin:




Aside from a slight bit of dehydrogenation, which is why the hydroxyl group is shifted, they're almost the same thing.

So it brings back the old adage, 'If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's likely a duck'

or, 'If it looks like Morphine and behaves like Morphine, then likely, it's as addictive as Morphine'

One would think that relatives of the million or so people killed by the Sackler crime family's drug dealing would try to make life difficult for them.

Yet the Sackler crime family is still extremely rich from their mass murder and living well. They are probably quite well protected by the criminal FBI, which exists solely for the benefit of such oligarchic families, as proven by their complete refusal to prosecute the Biden crime family in spite of overwhelming evidence of dozens of felonies as documented on Hunter's laptop.

The governments did fine him. Not all the money he made off the drugs, but at least some of it.

That's a start, right?

those pharma people are worse than realtors. fucking drug pushers.

which family makes puberty blockers? thats the next wave

So are the people of p.net who think the war on drugs should end and all drugs should be legal the same bunch of people who hate Sakler family or they are two different groups? It feels like there is a non-insignificant intersection between them.

Every time I see this name come up in the news I think about that Seinfeld episode with old high school gym coach. "You're a slacker Castanza!"

Misc says

The governments did fine him. Not all the money he made off the drugs, but at least some of it.

That's a start, right?

As a rule, when you commit a crime, you don't get to keep any of the loot from the crime, and have to either go to prison. Keeping a lot of the loot and walking around free doesn't seem like any deterrent to future crime at all.

RWSGFY says

So are the people of p.net who think the war on drugs should end and all drugs should be legal the same bunch of people who hate Sakler family or they are two different groups? It feels like there is a non-insignificant intersection between them.

Who thinks all drugs should be legal?

Patrick says

Who thinks all drugs should be legal?

C'mon, it was practically mainstream opinion here not a long ago (within a decade I'd say). End war on drugs, legalize pot, legalize this and that...

If you legalize drugs, then the FDA has to ease food vendor rules and restrictions.
I mean if they can sell you a sack of heroin that could kill you, then what say does the FDA have in meddling in my rancid three day old unrefrigerated meat pies I'm selling on the street?

I don't want to see any drug legalized, the game gets rigged and only the powerful are allowed to grow, and sell it.
The legalization of pot, has not allowed anyone in any state to grow their own pot, which would be my ideal way of acquiring it, if I had my druthers.

Tenpoundbass says

The legalization of pot, has not allowed anyone in any state to grow their own pot

You can grow up to 12 plants for your own consumption in CA, iirc.

Ceffer says

There is likely some kind of liability, but it would require intricate forensic examination rather than wholesale demonization based on the deaths of end users. People will always seek these drugs and routinely die from them.

Let me explain the scam that the Sackler's pulled.

Oxycotin was said to have "long lasting effects", and it's big advantage, supposedly, was that 1 pill is all you needed for 12 hours. If that didn't alleviate the patient's pain, the recommendation was for the doctor to increase the dosage.

Opiates are very effective at reducing pain - but having a massive dose can create a euphoria. What should have been done is that instead of increasing the dose, the dose should have been more frequent but the recommendation, traced back to the Sackler's was to increase the dose but not the frequency. It's THIS that caused addiction. Patients would have been FAR less likely to become addicts if they more frequently took Oxycontin, and kept the overall daily dosage the same, or even reduce it.

The Sackler's lied about Oxycontin's addictiveness to give it a competitive advantage over other concoctions, and simultaneously purposely recommended doses to be large and infrequent to increase the likelihood they would have patients for life.

This resulted in many deaths, destroyed families, of course addition. I think the Sackler's should be made destitute and imprisoned. What they did was absolutely criminal. Even if it was just negligence, it was criminal negligence.

https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/the-final-tally-of-purdue-pharmas

The Final Tally of Purdue Pharma's Crime Will Be Dwarfed By What Is Now In the Making
What caused the young reporter to collapse on live TV?

Eric Holder says

You can grow up to 12 plants for your own consumption in CA, iirc.

I believe the FDA and the DEA will come down on you. You can only grow if you're a licensed grower.

Tenpoundbass says

I believe the FDA and the DEA will come down on you. You can only grow if you're a licensed grower.

They won't. How can they? They don't have the resources. Just don't have a Karen as a neighbor. This is why rural living is the way to go.