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Great memes etc. however I see no one has attempted to address line item by line item my response in comment 36.

Better let Patrick do the heavy lifting, he is more capable.

Kakistocracy says

Great memes etc. however I see no one has attempted to address line item by line item my response in comment 36.

Better let Patrick do the heavy lifting, he is more capable.

Perhaps try to craft more pointed analysis.

Your wall of dribble reads like "Sure, great things are happening with Trump, but prove those good things are functions of Trump alone"

Your post is peppered w selective ignorance (i.e. ignoring Trump's obvious leadership in ending and deescalating conflicts), uniquely limited definitions of words (prove Trumps leadership resulted in legislation, lol), and unprovable gauntlet throws (prove Trump is directly responsible for low black unemplotment, lol).

Theres nothing to respond to, as there is no point and/or counter point.

Nothing in your response reads like a genuine discussion. Try shortening your posts and being more concise w your thoughts. I'm sure others will engage w you if you do that

CBOEtrader says

Theres nothing to respond to, as there is no point and/or counter point.

Unable to respond so resort to one of the three Ps - attack the person. There is still Position and Politics left to go.

Want to try for disclosing the penalties and fees for getting out of an Annuity ?

CBOEtrader says

ignoring Trump's obvious leadership in ending and deescalating conflicts

Demonstrate some verifiable examples - like JFK with the Cuban Missile Crisis, FDR during the depression...

Better leave all of the lifting, light and heavy to Patrick and stick to attacks and memes

Kakistocracy says

Unable to respond so resort to one of the three Ps - attack the person.

Calling your argument a wall of dribble is a criticism of your points, not yourself. Learn how to English bro

Kakistocracy says

Want to try for disclosing the penalties and fees for getting out of an Annuity ?

Sure. An annuity is a tool. Like any tool, you have to know where/when/how to use it. Penalties vary wildly per product. Remember these are contracts. Your side of the contract is to keep your capital invested until the annuitazion date, at which time you can take all your capital plus interest out or annuitize that capital pool. The annuitization date can be today or 14 years into the future. If you choose to remove your capital during the accumulation phase you will pay a penalty, commensurate with the amount of time left in your accumulation phase (roughly 1% per year left).

Annuities arent about liquidity. Annuities are about protection against market downturns and a guaranteed lifetime income. If you lack liquidity, an annuity isnt the right tool for you. If you are swinging for the fences to grow your retirement fund, an annuity isnt the right tool for you.

If you want to protect against a market downturn and/or guarantee income for life, while accumulating at a modest 3x of a CD rate than an annuity is right for you.

Kakistocracy says

Kakistocracy ignore (6) 2019 Mar 24, 1:19am ↑ like (0) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag

Wow..

Someone is having a tough time sleeping at night, if they are up at 4:19 AM posting on Patnet. They must be totally worried about the Mueller report, that will show how deep the TDS runs.

Kakistocracy says

Better leave all of the lifting....,

....To the ones who have clear mind.

Kakistocracy says

CBOEtrader says

ignoring Trump's obvious leadership in ending and deescalating conflicts

Demonstrate some verifiable examples - like JFK with the Cuban Missile Crisis, FDR during the depression...

Syria, NK, and Russia for starters.

Kakistocracy says

I can easily accept Trump won,

Ahhhh... Hah Ha ha Ha Ha Ha ha ha Ha Ha Ha ha Ha Ha Ha Ha ha

I think I just peed in my pants.....

CBOEtrader says

Your wall of dribble reads like "Sure, great things are happening with Trump, but prove those good things are functions of Trump alone"

Exactly. For every one of the objectively good results of the Trump administration, he'd be blamed if it had gone badly, but gets no credit for things going well. The mainstream press is disingenuous in exactly the same way.

The inevitable conclusion from such consistent and willful denial of reality must be that there is little or no actual reasoning going on, only attempts at justification for hating Trump.

Kakistocracy says

We have "police" actions etc. all over, getting deeper into shit in Africa and god only knows what hasn't been uncovered.

Oh come on. "Deeper into shit" in Africa? Because of Trump?

"god only knows what hasn't been uncovered"? You're blaming him for things you cannot even name?

Things are objectively going very well and we're more than two years into Trump's administration. Why shouldn't Trump get credit? At the very least, he didn't fuck up the economy or get us into any new war. That alone should show that all the predictions of disaster were wrong.

Patrick says

At the very least, he didn't fuck up the economy

Just becasue the effects of his terrible policies haven't kicked in YET doesn't make it any harder to see how bad they are or the way in which they are likely to kick in.

Republicans cried about the scary deficits in the early years of OBama - when they were due to a soft economy, and now with similar deficits in a strong economy: "no problem - nothing to see here."

And I 100% guarantee that when this disaster in the making comes home to roost, if there's away for the right wing media machine to sell all the gullible Trump Cucks that it's the democrats fault, they will. And it will work REALLY WELL. You guys will all buy it and be reselling it 24/7.

Patrick says

At the very least, he didn't fuck up the economy

Coming soon. Bigly.

Once again the supporters have chosen to attack the commenter with the wall of dribble comment etc. when the real dribble is the supposedly non debatable facts that are sourced from heavily biased right of aisle entities.

13 line items and not one decent rebuttal or even any remote causal connection to Potus and the non debatable result.

Just like Potus - attack the messenger and deflect.

There is no way that congress will pass any meaningful legislation, precisely because they want to deny the President a chance to sign any meaningful legislation. Why? Because it’s good for the country to get nothing done? No, because it gives Democrats ammunition in their four year struggle to get the Presidency back.
Guess what tho. I don’t think most Americans are fooled. It’s easy to see all the times that Trump has reached out to Democrats hoping for compromise and cooperation. It’s also easy to see that they always reject such moderate goals in their hate and pique. Democrats have literally done nothing but attempt to #resist the fact that Trump is the POTUS.
Trump didn’t propose the budgets that passed, nor the tax cut. He owns little of what happened in Congress because both sides cut him out of the process. He’s down to either accepting whatever they produce or using his veto and pissing everyone off even more.

That’s why all the criticisms of Trump not getting his agenda done are hollow. No President ever has had this much head wind to even being a President let alone accomplishing anything.

Quigley says

There is no way that congress will pass any meaningful legislation, precisely because they want to deny the President a chance to sign any meaningful legislation. Why? Because it’s good for the country to get nothing done? No, because it gives Democrats ammunition in their four year struggle to get the Presidency back.

How do to explain the GOP control of everything from January 2017 to January 2019 ?

The GOP proved (again) they can not govern just to give the Democrats talking points going into the 2020 elections ?

No wall, no health care reform, no infrastructure, nonothing - just a tax giveaway to the wealthy.

24 months of no results and now it is the fault of the Democrats ? OMFG

When the China trade deal collapses - who is going to get blamed for that ?

CNN does terrible things to the minds on the left. They fail to see reason, they fail to see reality, all they can do is TDS like a crazy person at the sky.

Sure, belonging to a party is inherently partisan. It's the definition of the word.

And yet, there are many solid facts on the ground which look pretty damn good at the moment. At some point, it gets impossible to deny reality.

Remember how the world was going to explode in flames the moment Trump took office?

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/upshot/would-a-trump-presidency-mean-economic-disaster-lets-take-a-look.html

Jun 22, 2016 · Let's Take a Look. If Donald Trump were elected president and put in his stated policies, the United States would experience a lengthy recession, enormous job losses, much higher interest rates and diminished long-term growth prospects.

Kakistocracy says

24 months of no results

Woah woah woah. No results?

Please go back and read the original post.

Debt to GDP ratio has gone up due to increase in interest payments on debt and also +$150 billion increase in defense spending. Obama had a honeymoon for almost his entire 8 years who a virtual zero-interest rate policy (zirp) and 3 rounds of quantitative easing. Look at how debt interest payments were constant during most of his presidency.

https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2018/11/we-will-soon-be-spending-more-on-national-debt-interest-than-on-these-vital-programs

Kakistocracy says

24 months of no results and now it is the fault of the Democrats ?

You just ended the conversation by taking it to the bottom of the toilet.

Kakistocracy says

How do to explain the GOP control of everything from January 2017 to January 2019 ?

Easy. Haven’t you been paying attention? The senate majority was comprised of republicans, sure, but at least two of them were secret Democrats (Murkowski and Collins), and more like Jeff Flake and John McCain were never trumpers who hated Trump and took every opportunity to spike his wheel and foil any meaningful legislation. So instead of a narrow 51-49 majority, the Trump administration could only count on 47-48 GOP votes at any time, dependent on how a couple of the old bastards were feeling. Fucking McCain killed the ACA revamp because he was an idiot and a glory hog and a showboating asshole.

So there’s your recent history. Maybe you should write that down.

Patrick says

Woah woah woah. No results?

Please list the legislation passed...there is the Great Tax Heist and what else ?

Quigley says

two of them were secret Democrats

Secret Democrats ? OMFG

Kakistocracy says

Secret Democrats ?

Do you want a list of all the times those two abandoned their party and voted with the opposition? It’s almost 100%. Vote exactly like a Democrat and I have to assume that you are. This ain’t rocket science Kaki. I didn’t think your TDS made you mentally enfeebled as well.

Quigley says

Do you want a list of all the times those two abandoned their party and voted with the opposition?

It was a Republican controlled congress and white house with any significant legislation passed except the tax bill.

Nice to see one of the three Ps being used again - attack the person this time. Good work. Just like Potus - can't address the failure of the GOP controlled congress and white house so try a verbal attack and insult.

How about a personal take on the robot situation at the Port Of Los Angeles and the high school educated making 130K and up thanks to nepotism etc. getting one of those jobs? That is the work location - yes ? Or is it the Port of Long Beach ?

Patrick says

Woah woah woah. No results?

They must have been referring to the collusion accusations.

Do we no longer have troops in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Pakistan? Didn't Trump get in the fetal position after the backlash on withdrawing troops? Didn't he approve the MIC's HUGE defense contract? Have we stopped using drones?

Slightly less imperialist, is still imperialist. And if the percentage of change is this small, that's a pretty pathetic "win".

@Patrick

“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

― Theodore Roosevelt, 1918

To that end I will continue to do my part to be "patriotic" and "unservile" in the face of gross incompetence - in other words - a real patriot, one who believes in demonstrations, protests, etc and yes - not giving credit to the Golden Golem just for the sake of doing so.

Kakistocracy says

To announce that there must be no criticism of the President

Please don't exaggerate. No one said there must be no criticism of the president.

The point is that the mainstream press conspired to publish false stories about Trump and Russia, hoping to undermine US democracy.

Kakistocracy says

It was a Republican controlled congress and white house with any significant legislation passed except the tax bill.

Ok so your counter argument is (stick fingers in your ears and scream “ I don’t care what the facts are, I am right!”
Roger that!

Oh and you don’t know as much as you think you know. And I’m disinclined to educate you.

Kakistocracy says

Point #6. Define/name a policy, piece of legislation that shows a direct causal relationship between Trump, his “leadership” and the lower black unemployment rate which by the way still is not worth a shit but may or may not have occurred with or without him.

/post/1314283/2018-03-07-illegals-take-jobs-americans-want-to-do-this-chicago-bakery-proves-it

Patrick says

Please don't exaggerate. No one said there must be no criticism of the president.

@Patrick

You have to me in an email, it was stated from yourself, "all I do is complain or post negative information about Trump" when I inquired about a function not working. I shared that message with several other people.

Quigley says

Ok so your counter argument is (stick fingers in your ears and scream “ I don’t care what the facts are, I am right!”
Roger that!

You mean like this ?



Quigley says

Oh and you don’t know as much as you think you know. And I’m disinclined to educate you.

Please "incline" yourself and do let me know your thoughts as well on the robots at the Post of Los Angeles and Long Beach. The ones that could put a crimp in your life plans.

Patrick says

No one said there must be no criticism of the president.

Based on the awesome commentary I get from the base it sure would seem that way.

Nice counter meme. Points for style, if not content or humor.

Kakistocracy says

Please "incline" yourself and do let me know your thoughts as well on the robots at the Post of Los Angeles and Long Beach. The ones that could put a crimp in your life plans

No, again you don’t know what you think you know. If robots take over operations, they’ll need 100 guys just like me. I’m one of the most educated people you’ve never met.

Quigley says

Nice counter meme. Points for style, if not content or humor.

Please come up with your own material - that is my shtick.

Quigley says

If robots take over operations, they’ll need 100 guys just like me

Read all of the articles - in depth and some I did not even post.

Yes - Quigley is a mechanic but will they need a 100 like you ?

Only if the union gets their way. AI can also be trained to trouble shoot repairs and do simple repairs.

Yes - Quigley graduated from the University and aspires to be a writer.

Might we worthwhile for Quigley to see how many mechanics are needed at the most automated ports overseas. Sooner or later and probably sooner - the days of the High School educated making 130K a year and up as a longshoreman are going to be over.

If the union does not play nice on the West Coast (i.e. L.A. Basin, there are other ports willing and able to replace them)

Quigley says

I’m one of the most educated people you’ve never met.

Not even close - seriously.

Kakistocracy says

You mean like this ?

I can show you 300+ pages of shit that was alleged and turned out to be mostly untrue.

The Mueller report.

MisterLearnToCode says

The Mueller report.

You have a copy ? Please post it or put up a PDF File link

Coming out soon after it's redacted, so the Media and the Dems can't collude with the Russians by providing a complete list of US Counterintelligence figures interviewed and consulted in the report.

I can't wait for the declassified FISA stuff.

MrMagic says

Kakistocracy says

Kakistocracy ignore (6) 2019 Mar 24, 1:19am ↑ like (0) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag

Wow..

Someone is having a tough time sleeping at night, if they are up at 4:19 AM posting on Patnet. They must be totally worried about the Mueller report, that will show how deep the TDS runs.

Patrick says

None of these are even debatable. They are objective facts.

NO offense, but it sounds extremely delusional to me. Off the charts delusional in fact.

I guess I'm getting a better understanding of what is involved in liking Trumps dishonesty.

"Like minded" comes to mind.

By the way, the chart I posted of manufacturing jobs is current. I posted it before in a misleading threadyou posted about manufacturing jobs. And yet you still posted "dramatic increase in manufacturing" as a fact that's not even debatable.

I say we didn't get our moneys worth from a strong economy trillion dollar deficit. Trump will go down in history as one of our very worst Presidents, unless he does something really bold (and smart) like instituting a national health care system. It is something that only a rogue republican could pull off.

marcus says

Trump will go down in history as one of our very worst Presidents, unless he does something really bold (and smart) like instituting a national health care system. It is something that only a rogue republican could pull off.

That national health care system is starting to look better everyday especially since Trump’s Group Health Plan Rules Were Struck Down as an ACA ‘End-Run’

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-28/trump-s-group-health-plan-rules-struck-down-as-aca-end-run

Maybe some "rouge" republicans can actually put together an alternative to the ACA while they are at - might be a good thing to have since they have nothing right now, except that super secret health care plan in one of the desk drawers of the president's desk in the oval office a certain Trump supporter from the greater Miami alluded to, I believe that was late 2018 or early 2019.

Kakistocracy says

AI can also be trained to trouble shoot repairs and do simple repairs.

Who's going to "train" them?
AI is not real intelligence.