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I mean this is hilarious, folks:

Ball and a team of researchers from institutions around the world wanted to more accurately measure trends in the ozone layer. For their study, they synthesized and then analyzed multiple satellite data sets of atmospheric ozone. The data cover the tropics and mid-latitudes, from 1985 through 2016. The team found ozone in the upper stratosphere has indeed rebounded since 1998. “It’s clear it's going back up,” Ball says. “This is exactly where we’d expect to see the Montreal Protocol working its best.”

If anybody thinks there isn't significantly more industrial output today...

(Chinese GDP per Capita)


Total Bullshit.

Let's see the Ozone Data from 1850 - oh, wait a minute.

MisterLearnToCode says

Hugolas_Madurez says

"Disappearing Water"? Sounds interesting. Can you also recomment a book on "Peak Oil", while we are at it?

Peak Oil, Manhattan/Miami Underwater, and needing SPF 5000 to go out in the sun of 2010... the Leftist versions of Illuminati Black Helicopters.

Which reminds me, what happened to the Ozone layer that was going to be completely destroyed unless we went back to 1700s standard of living1

And don't tell me about that stupid Ozone protocol. Chinese industry and emmissions went up an order of magnitude since then.

The Montreal Protocol Strategic Ozone Protection. worldwide agreement to phase out ozone depleting refrigerants (R11, R12 and others) that were in widespread use and shift to (R22, R410A and R134A for cars) was perhaps the most successful environmental protection achievement ever. The Antarctic ozone hole has been basically healed. Sad, that something that is a more serious threat is politically unachievable today.
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'Scientific observations of the rapid thinning of the ozone layer over Antarctica from the late 1970s onward—often referred to as the “ozone hole”—catalyzed international action to discontinue the use of CFCs. In 1987, the United States joined 23 other countries and the European Union to sign the Montreal Protocol on Substances that Deplete the Ozone Layer (Montreal Protocol). This international treaty protects and restores the ozone layer by phasing out CFCs...
https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2017-12/documents/mp30_report_final_508v3.pdf

Elgatouno says

That picture is crazy, and is/was a major obstacle for high speed rail in Cali.

Exactly..

Just remember, Miami is underwater because of sea water rise from Global Warming, while California is sinking because of pumping water out of the ground.

Any chance that same thing is happening in Miami with the aquifers being emptied and subsidence?

Nah... impossible, right?

Sea water, fresh water - all the same, right?
Don't quit your day job. lol
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'Scientists from government and academia say rising sea levels caused by climate change will bring more salt water into the Delta, the hub of California’s water-delivery network. As a result, millions of gallons of fresh water will have to be flushed through the Delta, and out into the ocean, to keep salinity from inundating the massive pumping stations near Tracy. That will leave less water available for San Joaquin Valley farmers and the 19 million Southern Californians and Bay Area residents who depend on Delta water – eventually as much as 475,000 acre-feet of water each year, enough to fill Folsom Lake halfway, according to one study by the Public Policy Institute of California.'

Read more here: https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article158679214.html#storylink=cpy

Herdingcats says

Wow 8 dislikes!

Does that include at least 6 from all your sockpuppet accounts?

kt1652 says

Scientists from government and academia

You means the ones being PAID by the government to spew that hoax?

ha, ha, the 97% of independent climate change scientist, concensus of NASA scientist, the US military strategic planners, AAAS, ACS, AGU, AMA, AMS, U.S. National Academy of Sciences , The Geological Society of America, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change ... I'm tired of typing.
Let me don my tinfoil hat.
I heard last night on AM talk show, it is the Aliens living under Antarctic ice caves that helped the Nazis, are now behind the climate change hoax.
I think I married one of them.

Elgatouno says

Also not sure where Miami gets it's water maybe it does pump from under it's feet or one is just pulling shit out of their ass.

Any links?

Where do you think Miami gets water for their increased population? Walmart?

Links, do a search of Miami and subsidence, they're all there.

I posted a bunch in a different GW hoax thread recently.

kt1652 says

ha, ha, the 97% of independent climate change scientist, concensus of NASA scientist, the US military strategic planners, AAAS, ACS, AGU, AMA, AMS, U.S. National Academy of Sciences , The Geological Society of America, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change ... I'm tired of typing.

Dan, is that you..

Wasn't Cook the guy that claimed Manhattan would be underwater now?

oops....

You paid me a great compliment. Besides, I have a full time job, can never do what Dan-the-man did and have a life.

MrMagic says

Just remember, Miami is underwater because of sea water rise from Global Warming, while California is sinking because of pumping water out of the ground.

Any chance that same thing is happening in Miami with the aquifers being emptied and subsidence?

Nah... impossible, right?

Same thing is not happening in Miami - any soil subsidence would be more the result of the same type of phenomenon occurring in and around New Orleans and not from the Aquifers being emptied since they recharge so quickly.

The Biscayne Aquifer is an entirely different animal that what is in the Central Valley of California - it recharges very quickly from rain, not so in the Central Valley.

The aquifer is a composed up of mostly limestone and sandstone with some sands. The Biscayne Aquifer is a wedge shape of highly permeable limestone and less permeable sandstone in southeast Florida.

The Biscayne Aquifer is high susceptibility to contamination due to its exposure at the land surface and high permeable rates. The most common contaminate in the aquifer is saline water and chemicals carried by runoff into canals. During the wet season pesticides and fertilizers are use heavily and become susceptible to runoff. Other contaminates include landfills, septic tanks, sewage water treatment ponds and storm water disposal wells.

Where the aquifer is exposed at the surface or thin layers of soil allow the aquifer to response to rain rapidly. Rain, wetlands, canals are major part of recharge to the aquifer. During the wet season sheets of water move south towards the Everglades to recharge the aquifer.

http://academic.emporia.edu/schulmem/hydro/TERM%20PROJECTS/2009/Jenkins/Harry.htm

https://www.sfwmd.gov/science-data/gw-modeling

The next link talks specially about soil subsidence and the increase in flooding (400%) since 2006 - easy to understand graphics and only one page. Soil subsidence due to the city being built on swamps - aka - New Orleans.

http://www.ces.fau.edu/arctic-florida/pdfs/fiaschi-wdowinski.pdf

Older article on the Miami flooding situation from back in 2015

Part 1 - https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article41141856.html

Part 2 - https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/environment/article41416653.html

Last August -- Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First.
https://www.bloombergquint.com/businessweek/miami-s-other-water-problem#gs.QEpwSGQr

Kakistocracy says

Soil subsidence due to the city being built on swamps - aka - New Orleans.

http://www.ces.fau.edu/arctic-florida/pdfs/fiaschi-wdowinski.pdf

Don't read your own links, do you:



Is the city flooding from the ocean because the land is sinking or not?

Also, try this:

...."Geological changes along the East Coast are causing land to sink along the seaboard. That’s exacerbating the flood-inducing effects of sea level rise, which has been occurring faster in the western Atlantic Ocean than elsewhere in recent years.

The study, published this month in Geophysical Research Letters, outlines a hot spot from Delaware and Maryland into northern North Carolina where the effects of groundwater pumping are compounding the sinking effects of natural processes.

Their study revealed that Hyde County — a sprawling but sparsely populated farming and wilderness municipality north of the Pamlico River — is among the region’s fastest-sinking areas, subsiding at a little more than an inch per decade.

The study shows that subsidence is occurring twice as fast now than in centuries past in a hot spot from Fredericksburg, Va. south to Charleston, which the scientists mostly blame on groundwater pumping."
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sinking-atlantic-coastline-meets-rapidly-rising-seas/

MrMagic says

Just remember, Miami is underwater because of sea water rise from Global Warming, while California is sinking because of pumping water out of the ground.

Any chance that same thing is happening in Miami with the aquifers being emptied and subsidence?

Nah... impossible, right?

Concerning the link cited in comment 59 the key word in that piece is "might" - not probable - "might" in the upper left hand corner box.

As for the conclusions comments box -3mm comes out to 0.11811024 inches and is limited to a particular area of Miami Beach.

No, overall - the city is not flooding because of soil subsidence - I read the article from the Daily Caller, try something different and yes, I read the King Tide thread. Wasn't worth commenting on.

Once again the land subsidence is not being caused by the Biscayne Aquifer being drained of groundwater since the aquifer restocks so rapidly which is not the case in the Central Valley of California.

Concerning the rest of the verbiage on comment 59 this is the tried and true PatNet formula for playing "gotcha" by changing the parameters and moving the goalposts of the discussion.

Homey didn't play that shit with MisterLearnToCode the other day and not playing it with anyone else.

Another arctic blast coming. And we're already in March. Manbearpig! Manbearpig!

Kakistocracy says

What does that mean precisely ? "in the industry" ?

Sounds like it comes with an inherent bias towards a particular solution that may or may not be in the public's best interests but certainly is in the best interests of whatever solution is being promoted by a particular "industry".

I work for an environmental engineering consulting firm that specializes in water and sewer rehabilitation - primarily the pipe and transport infrastructure. So I suppose I have some "special interests" in seeing money public spent on basic civilization necessities like clean water so cities can hire specialized firms like mine to help them fix their problems.

One of the many projects we are working on is trying to locate big soil voids to prevent massive sinkholes from deep 50 year old sewer lines swallowing up whole city blocks in Los Angeles. All the old concrete pipe is getting chewed to bits by the high H2S gas and recent rain storms and is at the end of it's life. Deep sewer lines are very difficult and expensive to repair or replace. We are also working on a project in San Diego to recycle over 50% of our sewage and use it for drinking water requiring new water treatment plants, pipes and pump-stations.

All I am saying is that there are so many more just run of the mill, yet massive engineering challenges facing water public works agencies every day. Building desalination plants to generate additional water is not that hard. Just dumb politics gets in the way.

Some of that is slated to start a full 10 YEARS after the 2014 vote and if you read the article there is a lot of 'if else if' in it alongside 'environmental studies' and 'environmental group lawsuits'.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Once they blow some cash to shore up Lake Oroville so it's not about to fall over and flood Sacramento the Sacramento Socialists will balk faster than they do after spending 5.4 on a bullet train in the desert.

Downtown Miami has flooded since the 1930s. South Florida crony pols constantly delay and underfund comprehensive water management solutions and have done so for almost the past century. They are always a generation behind the development.

Nothing to do with Global Warming.

Newsflash: South Florida is mostly swamp and the rest Dry/Wet Savannah that alternately is marshy then dry as a bone. Much of the coast is reclaimed Mangrove Swamp. It rests on Limestone and is mere feet about sea level.

Here is a real drought for you

In Cape Town, 'If It's Yellow, Let It Mellow' Is Practically Law
The South African capital’s crippling water crisis has spawned a host of new taboos and industries.
It’s 11 am on a Saturday, and both my Cape Town local mall and my bladder are pumping. After one B-grade Americano too many, I slip into the gents. Look at the state of it! Whoever went before me hasn’t just left the seat down (and wiped it too); they’ve even gone and flushed. Whatever happened to “if it’s yellow, let it mellow”?
The heady aroma of stewed urine is just one of the taboos Capetonians have turned up their noses at in response to the city’s crippling water crisis. At the height of the crisis, the city published the ultimate name-and-shame: a map of the city that showed which addresses were using the most water. Social media shaming added to the fervor, and neighbors would comment passive-aggressively about one another’s suspiciously green lawns.
City dwellers also have started to get excited about flushing No. 2s with a quarter bucket of three-day-old shower water (there’s a certain Pythagorean fun to it); embraced dirty cars and learned to live with parched lawns and half-full swimming pools. We save rinse water from washing machine loads and dish-filled sinks; even hotels have urged guests to save their shower water in buckets. It’s a whole new world … and it’s produced real change.

https://www.ozy.com/acumen/in-cape-town-if-its-yellow-let-it-mellow-is-practically-law/92468?utm_source=dd&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=03042019&variable=a92f0de2a7e55f6797cd1f845edfa5ad

Now imagine how much water is saved in San Francisco when the homeless crap on the sidewalk rather than in a toilet.....

Similar to the original post:

https://www.sacbee.com/news/weather-news/article227181909.html

Who keeps buying California's scarce water? - Saudi Arabia !

Saudi-based Almarai owns 15,000 acres of an irrigated valley – but what business does a foreign food production company have drawing resources from a US desert?

Four hours east of Los Angeles, in a drought-stricken area of a drought-afflicted state, is a small town called Blythe where alfalfa is king. More than half of the town’s 94,000 acres are bushy blue-green fields growing the crop.

Massive industrial storehouses line the southern end of town, packed with thousands upon thousands of stacks of alfalfa bales ready to be fed to dairy cows – but not cows in California’s Central Valley or Montana’s rangelands.

Instead, the alfalfa will be fed to cows in Saudi Arabia.

The storehouses belong to Fondomonte Farms, a subsidiary of the Saudi Arabia-based company Almarai – one of the largest food production companies in the world. The company sells milk, powdered milk and packaged items such as croissants, strudels and cupcakes in supermarkets and corner stores throughout the Middle East and North Africa, and in specialty grocers throughout the US.

Each month, Fondomonte Farms loads the alfalfa on to hulking metal shipping containers destined to arrive 24 days later at a massive port stationed on the Red Sea, just outside King Abdullah City in Saudi Arabia.

With the Saudi Arabian landscape there being mostly desert and alfalfa being a water-intensive crop, growing it there has always been expensive and draining on scarce water resources, to the point that the Saudi government finally outlawed the practice in 2016. In the wake of the ban, Almarai decided to purchase land wherever it is cheap and has favorable water conditions to produce enough feed for its 93,000 cows.

In 2012, they acquired 30,000 acres of land in Argentina, and in 2014, they bought their first swath of land in Arizona. Then, in 2015, they bought 1,700 acres in Blythe – a vast, loamy, agricultural metropolis abutting the Colorado river, where everything but the alfalfa seems cast in the hue of sand. Four years later, the company owns 15,000 acres – 16% of the entire irrigated valley.

But what business does a foreign company have drawing precious resources from a US desert to offset a lack of resources halfway around the globe?

What Fondomonte Farms is doing is merely a chapter in the long story of water management in the west, one that pierces the veil on the inanities of the global supply chain – how easy it is to move a commodity like alfalfa, or for that matter lettuce or clementines or iPhones, across more than 13,000 miles of land and sea, how much we rely on these crisscrossing supply lines, and at what cost to our own natural resources.

More: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/25/california-water-drought-scarce-saudi-arabia

Governor Appoints San Joaquin Valley Grower William Lyons to New ‘Agriculture Liaison’ Position....

On February 12, California Governor Gavin Newson announced the appointment of William Lyons, 68, of Modesto, to serve in a new position — the Agriculture Liaison in the Office of the Governor.

Lyons, a San Joaquin Valley grower who has opposed increased San Joaquin River flows, has been chief executive officer of Lyons Investments Management, LLC since 1976. He previously served as Secretary of the California Department of Food and Agriculture from 1999 to 2004.

According to the Governor’s Office, “Lyons was selected as the western regional finalist for the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation 2010 Conservationist of the Year Award and received the United States Department of Agriculture National Environmentalist Award. He has an extensive background in agriculture and water policy.”

This position does not require Senate confirmation and the compensation is $175,008. Lyons is a Democrat.

The Governor’s Office’s press release didn’t mention that Bill Lyons owns Mapes Ranch, a3,500 acre “diversified farming and cattle operation” producing almonds, wheat, tomatoes, alfalfa, corn, grapes, oats, barley, beans, forage mix, and melons, adjacent to 3,000 acres of rangeland.

Nor did the Governor’s Office mention that Mapes Ranch gets water through the Modesto Irrigation District (MID), a water district that sued the State Water Resources Control Board over the Phase 1 Update to the Bay-Delta Water Quality Control Plan on January 10.

Eye on Modesto, a blog by Emerson Blake about his “thoughts and observations about Modesto and Stanislaus County” noted that Bill Lyons has been CEO of Lyons investments (read Mapes ranch) since 1976, “and that is around the time Bill began treating the Modesto Irrigation District (MID) as his personal fiefdom.”

“Bill and or his family and business associates controlled three of the five votes on MID’s Board as long as most can remember (until Jim Mortensen bungled it),” claimed Blake. “For years they funded any challenge to his votes/puppets by cutting a campaign donation check for $5,000 anytime they were opposed during an election (in most elections they ran unopposed due to lack of interest). For perspective a $5,000 check in past MID terms was more like a $50,000, check today.”

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/03/08/governor-appoints-san-joaquin-valley-grower-william-lyons-to-new-agriculture-liaison-position/

@Patrick - I wouldn't stop worrying long term or celebrating too hard or long....but to each his own.