« First « Previous Comments 94 - 133 of 293 Next » Last » Search these comments
Why do you take it as a certainty that the gunman would win against an armed community officer? First off, the AR15 can't really be concealed. In my scenario it is better than 50/50 that the officer would win, or at least the gunfight outside might have prompted a different response. The whole thing would have played out differently, including not being able to activate the fire alarm.
Because the security guard would likely be flirting with one of the secretaries or talking to a student or playing candy crush when the assault rifle toting murderer came up on him. The element of surprise would be squarely on the side of the kid.
Yes, we can spend a zillion dollars and put armed guards at every entrance and exit 24 hours a day,
This is dumbassery
Because the security guard would likely be flirting with one of the secretaries or talking to a student or playing candy crush when the assault rifle toting murderer came up on him. The element of surprise would be squarely on the side of the kid.
Here's what would have happened if they had one gatehouse at the entrance to the campus.
Kid drives up in an Uber. Guard gets the Kid's name, looks him up, he's on a list because the school already put out a warning he was not to enter and was expelled.
You've just prevented a mass shooting.
I believe comment 99 is against your rules
@Patrick
I believe comment 99 is against your rules
lol--so every parent who comes to pick up their child has to be cleared by a security guard?
CajunSteve saysI agree with you except for the community officer part. He would have been the 1st casualty.
Why do you take it as a certainty that the gunman would win against an armed community officer?
CajunSteve saysI agree with you except for the community officer part. He would have been the 1st casualty.
Why do you take it as a certainty that the gunman would win against an armed community officer?
CajunSteve saysI agree with you except for the community officer part. He would have been the 1st casualty.
Why do you take it as a certainty that the gunman would win against an armed community officer?
or we can simply make it impossible for mentally deranged kids to get assault weapons.
What if an armed and trained security guard was in the hallway and he knew they were there? Any chance the outcome might have changed when the guard heard him shooting his way in?
First, I am not anti gun or liberal, but facts is facts. Australia is averaging 1 out of 100,000 deaths from homicide. The USA, depending on what numbers you can find are between 3 and 5 per hundred thousand.
Snopes classifies the claim that banning guns in Australia led to higher crime rates as false.
https://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp
Sure. Idaho has 1.9 murders per 100k, with the 3rd highest rate of gun ownership. Washington DC has 26 murders per 100k. Ask yourself what the difference is between those places.
Then do the same comparison between the US and Australia. (Hint: it's not guns, it's culture.)
Sandy Hook had the doors locked and Adam Lanza shot his way in.
What if an armed and trained security guard was in the hallway and he knew they were there? Any chance the outcome might have changed when the guard heard him shooting his way in?
Last time I went to a hospital in rural Florida. A few hundred patients, faculty and staff, tops. Obviously, mostly adults.
No getting past reception without having your picture taken, your Driver's License copied, and your name, DL# and photo on a visitor badge.
This school was a facility with a population several times larger.
Whoa Nelly. Let's back up. Is your position that citizens should have the right to any weapon?
Yes, we can spend a zillion dollars and put armed guards at every entrance and exit 24 hours a day, or we can simply make it impossible for mentally deranged kids to get assault weapons.
TwoScoopsPlissken saysDumbassery on so many levels.
This is dumbassery Monday Morning Quarterbacking.
Yes, we can spend a zillion dollars and put armed guards at every entrance and exit 24 hours a day, or we can simply make it impossible for mentally deranged kids to get assault weapons.
I 100% blame all of this on liberals, they've banned moral way of life, and this is consequences.
CajunSteve saysTwoScoopsPlissken saysDumbassery on so many levels.
This is dumbassery Monday Morning Quarterbacking.
Yes, we can spend a zillion dollars and put armed guards at every entrance and exit 24 hours a day, or we can simply make it impossible for mentally deranged kids to get assault weapons.
Mentally ill can't get guns already in many states. The bigger problem is the ban of Christianity in schools, you ban god, you leave it up to the children to figure out their own morality, and they don't all turn into angels like liberal media movies thinks they do.
I 100% blame all of this on liberals, they've banned moral way of life, and this is consequences.
FortWayne saysI 100% blame all of this on liberals, they've banned moral way of life, and this is consequences.
I blame Liberals because they think Nurse Ratched runs every Mental Hospital and nobody should be forcibly hospitalized by the State, until they kill enough people.
Yeah, the state can afford tens of thousands of $50k-250k janitors, nurses, admins and Teachers, but the cost of a 3-4 FTE $30k/year security guards at a 3100+ student campus would cost "ZILLIONS!!!"
Yet almost every hospital requires visitors to show ID and wear a photo ID badge these days, any schmuck can drive right onto a K-12 campus and walk in the door without the least interaction with a security obstacle.
What's your plan to restrict firearms from mentally deranged kids, when 39 encounters with LEOs, plus expulsion from public school, said he heard demons in his head, posted promises of violence online, and notification to the FBI of specific threats days prior to the incident, where the kid expressed a specific desire to shoot up a school did not result in any preventative act, such as forcible hospitalization.
Killing intruders, deer, and target shooting as well.
It's like saying cars should be banned because their only purpose is to run over people.
First off--ban weapons whose sole purpose is mass killing.
Second--Anyone taking any medication for mental illness cannot get a gun.
Third--require a medical exam for a gun permit.
Not to mention tightening up background checks
closing loopholes such as the gun show sales
If someone needs an AR-15 to hunt deer, they should probably get a new hobby.
Let's get real here.
50 years of unrealized labor potentialA similar calculation could be made about abortion. How about the roughly 44 million lost since 1973, not to mention their potential offspring and the intellectual potential thrown down the drain? How do we know we didn't throw away the cure for cancer somewhere along the way? Frankly, I don't think cancer will ever be cured, there are too many kinds but it is worth pondering.
« First « Previous Comments 94 - 133 of 293 Next » Last » Search these comments
High school kids have ~50 years of unrealized labor potential, at a ballpark of 50k per year.
2,500,000 x 17 = $42,500,000 in lost potential wages
17 families will now have to bury a child. Average cost of funeral service 10k = $170,000
Let’s say on average 50 people attend each funeral, so they have to take a day or two of unpaid bereavement leave.
850 people x $500 in lost wages= $425,000 in lost wages
It’s not cheap to travel with no notice for planning, so we’ll use an average $1,000 per person = $850,000
100’s maybe 1,000s of survivors will now suffer from PTSD, which is hard to calculate costs but easily into the millions = $100,000,000- $1,000,000,000
So we’re already potentially north of 1 billion dollars in costs, without even beginning to consider all the ancillary costs to come, so we can pause and move over to the benefit side of the analysis.
Benefits
A gun manufacturer made a sale of ~1,000 which netted them a hundred or two in profits.
So who gets stuck with the tab for another gun nut taking his lame hobby of target practice to the local high school?
Oddly, not the gun maker. Because your halfwit Republican Government says that the gun worked as intended, to turn teenagers into bloody chunks.