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FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says

Haiti has a pretty fucked up history. According to this, France first fucked 'em. Then, they came back and extorted them. Then, We invaded, took over, and subjugated the 'niggers' again. Oh, and we took all of their gold. We continued to fuck with them, organizing coups, continued to invade them twice in this century. And the UN brought them cholera.

Once again, it's all our fault.

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says

the argument is not about whether Haiti is a shit hole. That is subjective and beside the point.

Nothing subjective here. If it looks, stinks and rots like a shithole, it is a shithole.

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

Remember, the argument is not about who's "guilty" of what, but the current state of that country.

the argument is not about whether Haiti is a shit hole.

But it is.

zzyzzx says

I see a lagoon.
I see a beach.
I see a villa on the beach.
I see a yacht.
When will I be able to afford paradise. :(

Reminder: Trump Took More Flak for Accurately Describing Haiti than Hillary Did for Stealing Millions From Them.

anon_1fe2e says

Billions? The foundation raised about $30m for Haiti. Where on earth do you get this nonsense from?

Billions is what went to the Clinton Foundation, $30 million is what Haiti got out of the deal.

Booger says

Well, this one is at least two levels above "Kenyan flying toilet".

San Francisco is literally a shithole:

Booger says

San Francisco is literally a shithole:

Same BART where one janitor pulled $240K in pay last year.

I can confirm that there is regularly human shit on the streets of San Francisco.

There are even maps of where the majority of the shit is:

Booger says

Has anyone confronted him on his foolish remarks? I'm curious to know what he would say about Venezuela now, knowing it's such a failure.
My guess, he will just blame America like everyone else does.

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

But it is.

There's nothing more bigoted and identitarian than saying that no people from haiti should be let in the country, because the country is a shithole. Whether or not Haiti is a shithole is irrelevant, because we are a merit based society. We don't assess people by the quality of their group. Well, Trump does. His supporters don't think it's racist when he does.

Isn't Melania Trump from a shit-hole country too? Trump is clearly racist. It's sad that after so much work on civil rights in this country, we have a racist president again.

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says

We don't assess people by the quality of their group. Well, Trump does.

So do the liberals.

The problem with people from shitholes is that they have cultural and social issues responsible for CREATING the shitholes in which they’ve lived. When we import such people, they often bring these cultural issues along for the ride. If they settle in a group, they’ll have a chance to create new shitholes right here in America. The only way they are useful is if they drop their diseased culture for the more vibrant American culture. Otherwise they just create problems.
Unfortunately we have academics insisting that we all need to value everyone’s native culture, even if it does turn nice places into shitholes.

anon_11ddf says

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says

We don't assess people by the quality of their group. Well, Trump does.

So do the liberals.

Studies on the diversity lottery, wherein only country of origin matters, necessitate judging the effectiveness of said policies solely by the country of origin.

Shocker: countries w high crime rates and low income result in immigrants who create crime and cost taxpayers money.

The irony is that these countries are only part of the diversity lottery because they are shithole in the first place.

Moral outrage has hit peak righteousness. TDS has taken over the brains of the left

alpo says

Isn't Melania Trump from a shit-hole country too?

You mean Slovenia? Oh, sure.Her hometown looks EXACTLY like the pictures of Haiti/Somalia. Same thing.

Quigley says

The problem with people from shitholes is that they have cultural and social issues responsible for CREATING the shitholes in which they’ve lived. When we import such people, they often bring these cultural issues along for the ride. If they settle in a group, they’ll have a chance to create new shitholes right here in America. The only way they are useful is if they drop their diseased culture for the more vibrant American culture. Otherwise they just create problems.

Like the Irish did?

CBOEtrader says

Studies on the diversity lottery, wherein only country of origin matters, necessitate judging the effectiveness of said policies solely by the country of origin.

Shocker: countries w high crime rates and low income result in immigrants who create crime and cost taxpayers money.

The irony is that these countries are only part of the diversity lottery because they are shithole in the first place.

Like african immigrants of which 41% have college degrees vs 36% for white americans?

TwoScoopsPlissken says

You realize that Brazil has over 200M people, and is one of the largest countries by landmass to boot, but has the same exact vote as Little Lithuania or Gambia with just over 2 Million?

How about Malta or Iceland with less than a million, compared to Mexico or Malaysia? One vote each.

Literally a country with half a million people has the same vote share as one with almost a billion. Undemocratic and Unrepresentative.

The UN is a joke, a meeting of corrupt officials. Time for it to go away entirely, it's obsolete.

You realize that montana with 600,000 people has he same vote in the senate as california with 40 million people.The senate is a joke, a meeting of corrupt officials. Time for the senate to go away entirely it's obsolete.

bob2356 says

CBOEtrader says

Studies on the diversity lottery, wherein only country of origin matters, necessitate judging the effectiveness of said policies solely by the country of origin.

Shocker: countries w high crime rates and low income result in immigrants who create crime and cost taxpayers money.

The irony is that these countries are only part of the diversity lottery because they are shithole in the first place.

Like african immigrants of which 41% have college degrees vs 36% for white americans?

Bzzt wrong. We are discussing the DV lottery sepcifically, and the merits thereof.

Thank you for showing us that regular immigration works though. Does this mean you are in favor of eliminating the DV lottery? Or do you agree w the fake news that discussing the DV lottery is itself racist?

bob2356 says

Like the Irish did?

Apparently you’ve never heard of how savagely the Irish were hated when they first came as immigrants. People compared them as worse than negros and gave them the shittiest work. The government drafted half of the men and got them killed on civil war battle fields. They got acculturated in time and everyone forgot that they hated Irish.

bob2356 says

You realize that montana with 600,000 people has he same vote in the senate as california with 40 million people.The senate is a joke, a meeting of corrupt officials. Time for the senate to go away entirely it's obsolete.

That is how our Republic is formed. It’s not a perfect Democracy, but that’s intentional because mob rule is one step away from total anarchy. If you like that sort of government, I hear Somalia is nice this time of year. Perhaps you should visit?

(Above post is mine)

Versus Gay Paris:

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

You mean Slovenia? Oh, sure.Her hometown looks EXACTLY like the pictures of Haiti/Somalia. Same thing.

Everything looks good from one mile up in the air, but what I meant was former Yugoslavia - breakup of the country + ethnic warfare for many years with rival factions attempting to carry out ethnic cleansing genocide. Racists are found all across the globe, not just in this country. This isn't about Haiti vs Slovenia, but the racist thinking that trump and his gang encourage that if not checked will lead this country into another civil war.

Trump, as a president, is clearly racist and he is exercising his white privilege to make and pass comments with the weight of his presidency that no non-white president would have the privilege of doing. People will tolerate this crap only for so long. US is no longer a "whites only" country (if it every was since one can't forget the often overlooked fact that there were non-white native Indians here before whites illegally immigrated to north and south america).

And let's not forget the tent cities here in our own backyard as idot trump conveniently ignores as he passes degrading remarks about poor in other places.

zzyzzx says

I credit Trumps comment with today's stock market action:

The market values honest assessments.

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

You mean Slovenia? Oh, sure.Her hometown looks EXACTLY like the pictures of Haiti/Somalia. Same thing.

Great posts, Nakamoto-san, I gotta finish reading the thread before I respond.

bob2356 says

You realize that montana with 600,000 people has he same vote in the senate as california with 40 million people.The senate is a joke, a meeting of corrupt officials. Time for the senate to go away entirely it's obsolete.

It's problematic, but the conversation was about the UN, not the US Senate.

Quigley says

Apparently you’ve never heard of how savagely the Irish were hated when they first came as immigrants. People compared them as worse than negros and gave them the shittiest work. The government drafted half of the men and got them killed on civil war battle fields. They got acculturated in time and everyone forgot that they hated Irish.

AND, the Irish did not live knee deep in filth back in Ireland, either. Nor did they live on foreign aid, nor were they an independent country at the time, in charge of their own future.

Speaking of the Sassanach, many of these countries would be better off under the British Empire again. For starters, the streets would get cleaned and sewers and gutters built.

alpo says

And let's not forget the tent cities here in our own backyard as idot trump conveniently ignores as he passes degrading remarks about poor in other places.

Two travelogues from backpackers, who don't stay in the Ritz-Carlton or Sheraton downtown, at street level.

http://patrick.net/post/1313045/?c=1474645

Patrick says:

I can confirm that there is regularly human shit on the streets of San Francisco.

I go on business trips to SF every few years (been a couple of years since my last visit, though). On my last trip I had 4 free days and did a lot of walking around town. I was staying in the Financial District and walked through North Beach, Chinatown, Russian Hill, Fisherman's Wharf, etc. I did not see the human feces you mentioned, but I did notice lots of vagrants with mattresses sleeping on the sidewalks right outside storefronts and businesses. No vagrants sleeping in the green parks, though. I presume the attitude of SF is that vagrant rights apply to all public spaces except parks, and supersede any desire to keep bums from loitering and camping.

I went to Denver last summer and noticed quite few homeless camps and mass bum hangouts that I did not see in my earlier trips to Denver. Not sure if the legal weed has drawn in the bum crowd. SF and Denver are beautiful cities that I think would be greatly enhanced by some good vagrancy laws.

alpo says

Isn't Melania Trump from a shit-hole country too? Trump is clearly racist. It's sad that after so much work on civil rights in this country, we have a racist president again.

Looks nice to me, no plastic bags all over the ground, or human excrement, or wandering livestock. Clean Public Tram, pothole free roads.farmers markets, beautiful buildings.
www.youtube.com/embed/eUBEh13MRP4

Outskirts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpC_V5ZnMts
Looks nicer than Paris.

alpo says

Trump, as a president, is clearly racist and he is exercising his white privilege to make and pass comments with the weight of his presidency that no non-white president would have the privilege of doing.

You can't possibly think Trump is given a pass as compared to Obama. Obama killed brown people around the world every day of his presidency, yet somehow could do no wrong in the eyes of the media. Trump, OTOH, is framed as a racist from everyday behavior, like drinking from a water bottle or eating 2 scoops of iced cream.

Just read this on tumbler.

Black Live Matters activists are saying Europe was a shithole for 400 years during the Dark Ages during which no whites were allowed in Africa.

They also brought up the Black Plague in the 14th century Europe claiming whites must have lived in a much bigger shithole to allow a few oriental rats to wipe out 2/3 of the population. During this time no whites were allowed into Asia through the Silkroad.

They said too bad. 1/3 survived.