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rando says

anon_2919c says

The delusion that there are more than two genders does not harm anyone.

I disagree.

When blindingly obvious reality can be denied, and the denial made into law so that others are forced to deny reality as well, then rationality and basic science are under threat by a kind of religious fundamentalism. Yes, far leftist beliefs are religion, however well-intentioned their advocates may believe themselves to be.

I think you posted this in the wrong thread @Patrick.

It belongs in the thread about Christian Republicans destroying freedoms and harming the citizenry for ~ a century now, with their Hemp/Cannabis Prohibition.

All Cost No Benefits is the mantra for Christian Republicans that hate freedom and seem to take joy in harming others. Sad

mell says

TwoScoopsMcGee says

There are two genders, and then there are genetic mistakes, like people born deaf or with some inheritable genetic disease.

Don't pick on the handicapped, but don't design society around the idea that a fraction of people have no legs.

"We demand legless bathrooms in ALL facilities!" "We demand all countertops and tables in restuarants and hotels be at legless level!"

This. Pretty much everyone on here likely agrees that we should embrace and facilitate people that are different or disabled (as long as they are not hostile towards us). But we cannot give everybody on the other scale their own personally selected gender. Seems pretty obvious.

Are you one of those who agree? Should The State be involved?

errc says

mell says

TwoScoopsMcGee says

There are two genders, and then there are genetic mistakes, like people born deaf or with some inheritable genetic disease.

Don't pick on the handicapped, but don't design society around the idea that a fraction of people have no legs.

"We demand legless bathrooms in ALL facilities!" "We demand all countertops and tables in restuarants and hotels be at legless level!"

This. Pretty much everyone on here likely agrees that we should embrace and facilitate people that are different or disabled (as long as they are not hostile towards us). But we cannot give everybody on the other scale their own personally selected gender. Seems pretty obvious.

Are you one of those who agree? Should The State be involved?

No, for non-governmental business they can do whatever they want, however wrt official IDs and such there would be simply no change, so nobody gets involved really. Depends on how far you want to go with the states rights, maybe states could define their own genders, but it can't interfere with federal official business or the constitution.

Ok so we ALL agree that the binary is false and that that ALL humans can fit into one of three categories

A. Male
B. Female
C. Mutations

And with that we can now say "case closed" to this thread and move on - thanks Patnet!!!

Patrick says

I said every human, mammal, bird ever has exactly two parents. That remains true.

I'm not backpedalling in the least.

Some of the intersex/nonbinary persons can become biological parents. So, even if you were referring only to the parents being of exactly two genders (sexes, technically), then that statement was incorrect from the start.

Also, with current technology, some people have three biological parents. Turtledove worked in assisted reproduction, and three biological parents are a common result in that field. I wish that she were around to explain further, but the relevant possibilities include nuclear and mitochondrial DNA in surrogacy, for example, where the surrogate mother provides mitochondrial DNA in addition to the two primary parents' nuclear DNA. In theory, nothing precludes increasing the number of biological parents that a person can have, and it is likely that the number may increase in future.

As for nuclear DNA, around 10% of current human DNA consists of retroviruses that infected our ancestors. Viral mutations may have accelerated evolution.

Respectfully, your "theory" seems to start with a dogmatic assumption and then to impose that upon a much more complex and nuanced world. People are complicated. Nature is a mad scientist, constantly reshuffling the deck, and does not care at all about anyone's theories. If a particular genetic combination (geneplex) survives and reproduces, then it carries forward to the next generation. Caitlin Jenner has 6 children. If you want to call Jenner female, intersex/nonbinary, or male with OCD, nature does not care. That geneplex survived and reproduced, so it worked and can recur.