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YesYNot says

Quigley says

despite zero concrete evidence produced so far

Why do you assume this? Was that the assumption for Hillary up until Comey made a public announcement?

Hillary was totally different. There was concrete evidence of wrong doing everywhere w hillary.

What we supposedly lacked was proof of intent.

W trump we have no evidence of wrong doing in the first place.

"Regardless Flynn hasn't broken any laws and was fired before he was ever part of trumps administration."

Flynn was fired by Obama. Then he was hired by Trump to be National Security Advisor and Assistant to the President. What's your point?

We don't know if he broke laws, but we do know that he requested immunity before testifying.

joeyjojojunior says

"No, it was because he failed to DISCLOSE those ties and was therefore incompletely vetted before taking office. To put it simply (so even a Leftist might understand), Trump hired a guy to do a job. Turned out that guy lied on his application. He was allowed to resign instead of being fired, not that it makes a huge difference.

So how does Flynn's lie make Trump or the rest of his administration corrupt? I fail to see the connection, and I haven't seen anything from the Left that makes a connection. Hand waving doesn't count, nor does this "smell test." Waters is probably just smelling her nasty upper lip."

lol--more hair splitting. Why did he lie? Could it be because of the ties?

Facts are important. When you get your facts wrong it's not splitting hairs.

Conflating the fbi investigating Russia's influence over the election is an ambiguous distinction in this era of mass surveillance. Its equivalent to shaking a firm fist at putin.

There remains zero evidence against trump, who is not under investigation.

"You take liberties w your words then expect others to agree w you. Its intellectually weak. Your conclusions are based on nothing You are worse than Alex jones"

I have posted links and quotes from Comey. You have posted nothing. My arguments are not the weak ones...

"Facts are important. When you get your facts wrong it's not splitting hairs. Conflating the fbi investigating Russia's influence over the election is an ambiguous distinction in this era of mass surveillance. Its equivalent to shaking a firm fist at putin. There remains zero evidence against trump, who is not under investigation"

The only ones getting the facts wrong here is you. I have posted quotes from Comey that show conclusively that you are lying. Yet you continue with the nonsense.

Facts do matter. It's time you started practicing what you preach.

joeyjojojunior says

"You take liberties w your words then expect others to agree w you. Its intellectually weak. Your conclusions are based on nothing You are worse than Alex jones"

I have posted links and quotes from Comey. You have posted nothing. My arguments are not the weak ones...

Coney quotes directly contradict your arguments. I wouldn't expect that to stop Alex jones though

joeyjojojunior says

The only ones getting the facts wrong here is you. I have posted quotes from Comey that show conclusively that you are lying. Yet you continue with the nonsense.

Hey Alex jones, learn to read.

Trump is not under investigation. Fact.

No-one in trumps administration resigned for their illegal activity w russia. Fact.

You are making up the entirety of the support for your narrative. Fact.

joeyjojojunior says

What's your point?

The point, Alex Jones, is that after 10 months of surveilling everyone under the sun, there is still zero evidence of Trump/Russia collusion.

The MSM is lying to you, and you eat it up.

You are Alex Jones w less evidence.

"Coney quotes directly contradict your arguments"

Typically one would actually post the quote that contradicts me. You know, like I did with you. It makes a much more effective argument. You just look like you're grasping at straws now.

"Trump is not under investigation. Fact."

Nope--here's the thing. No matter how many times you repeat this--it's still a lie.

"No-one in trumps administration resigned for their illegal activity w russia. Fact."

Again--not a fact. We don't know. Flynn resigned because he didn't disclose all his ties to Russia. Whether they were illegal or not is still unknown.

"there is still zero evidence of Trump/Russia collusion"

I already showed you the evidence. So, that's another lie.

joeyjojojunior says

I already showed you the evidence. So, that's another lie.

Now he's just trying to win by wearing the truth down to a stub with the sandpaper of hyperbole. What a rube.

joeyjojojunior says

"there is still zero evidence of Trump/Russia collusion"

I already showed you the evidence. So, that's another lie.

The entire world, including our own intelligence agencies all disagree with you.

It doesnt matter how many times you stamp your feet, Trump still isnt under investigation. There are still zero facts of Trump/Russia collusion.

The Democrats loss at the polls in November was so shocking to them in their elite class echo chambers that the only thing which made sense was this conspiracy theory that the Russians must have somehow hacked the election! Since then it's been a non stop parade of conjecture and speculation mixed with flat out lies and wishful thinking. You'd think that with the full attention and investigative abilities of the entire mainstream press, the CIA, and the FBI, we'd have seen some actual evidence by now, were there any to find.

But no, the establishment will keep on beating this tired drum to ward off the nagging thoughts that keep trying to intrude. Thoughts like they lost because they weren't good enough. They didn't represent the people well. They lost sight of reality. They committed blatant voter fraud and got caught. They tried to brow beat America into voting their way with Brownshirt tactics and mobs of violent criminals.
Nooooooo..... MUST...BE...RUSSIA!

"Now he's just trying to win by wearing the truth down to a stub with the sandpaper of hyperbole. What a rube."

Seriously, are you blind man? I've posted the quote from the former FBI director when he was asked exactly "Is Trump under investigation?" His response was basically that he couldn't comment. CBOE believes that to mean that Trump for certain isn't under investigation?? Really? And you think he's telling the truth?

Open your eyes for God's sake!

"I pointed it out in the moment. You can go get them again as you are making the claim that Comey quotes prove your statements, when they obviously dont."

Wow--you really are Ironman reincarnated. Yes, Comey does prove my statement. As I've posted.

You can't provide anything because nothing exists. You are lying, plain and simple, and got called on it.

"The entire world, including our own intelligence agencies all disagree with you."

Well, besides the obvious mistake that you have absolutely NO idea what the entire world thinks, there are clearly some who believe that evidence of collusion exists. Namely Chris Steele for one. And you have no idea what evidence the FBI has found or is investigating right now.

joeyjojojunior says

If you don't know the answer to this, you have no business posting on here. Similarly if you don't understand who is considered part of the Trump Administration.

Are the Associates of Trump's Associates considered part of his Camp/Admin now?

If not, then the investigation of Trump Associate Flynn's Associates have nothing to do with Trump or his Administration.

Also, there must be a similar investigation into Podesta as there was for Manafort, since the former did not disclose for 5 years he had the same exact client as Manafort and received $750k to $1M in fees while he was lobbying Hillary, then Secretary of State. He also has Russia investments he put in an LLC in his daughter's name, but the Email leak revealed Podesta personally sent emails weighing in on decisions as if he still was the lead investor.

This is far stronger grounds for starting an investigation than Trump's associates had.

Finally, and Russia Conspiracy theorists dodge this one like the plague, when oh when will the DNC turn over it's server for Cyberwarfare and Counterintel analysis to Government Agencies? Don't the Democrats want a Russian Hack link conclusively established? Or maybe they know damn well there were too many hackers in their system from all over the world, pulling data from their own servers, making them look incompetent?

Let's not forget the unmasking by Rice and one of Obama's final EO's was to distribute surveillance information as widely as possible to maximize leak potential. The various Oligarch Legacy Media outlets then began trumpeting "Deep State" leaks within hours, including using the words "wiretap" and "transcript" proving surveillance. You don't get a transcript in a summary, but only when you record conversations, chat logs, or phone calls.

joeyjojojunior says

there are clearly some who believe that evidence of collusion exists. Namely Chris Steele for one.

And whakaloon MP Louise Mensch and John "Let me show you my penis" Schindler for another, LOL

"If not, then the investigation of Trump Associate Flynn's Associates have nothing to do with Trump or his Administration."

The investigation is of the Trump Administration. Those are the exact words of the former FBI director. Period.

All your other stuff is nonsense. There is no equivalency because nobody is accusing Podesta or colluding with Russia to interfere in the election.

"And whakaloon MP Louise Mensch and John "Let me show you my penis" Schindler for another, LOL"

Yes, by all means, try to impugn the author. Because we all know that a good deal of the report has been independently verified by intelligence services.

joeyjojojunior says

All your other stuff is nonsense. There is no equivalency because nobody is accusing Podesta or colluding with Russia to interfere in the election.

Manifort was investigated for his connections to the former, legitimate Government of the Ukraine.

Podesta needs to be investigated for ditto, as he was paid to lobby for the exact same client, there were 5 year late disclosures AND that he was lobbying Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State, at the time.

Cognitive Dissonance is a bitch!

"Cognitive Dissonance is a bitch!"

It sure is...

joeyjojojunior says

"Cognitive Dissonance is a bitch!"

Before May 9th: "Comey should resign! Rigged Election for Trump, who will never fire him!! Even Chuck Schumer has no confidence in him anymore!!"
After May 9th: "How DARE FASCIST ORANGEDOUCHE fire Noted Selfless, Diligent Civil Servant Comey!!! Independent Prosecutor! Impeach now!"

This is SO delicious.

joeyjojojunior says

Wow--you really are Ironman reincarnated. Yes, Comey does prove my statement. As I've posted.

total. idiot.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/08/politics/white-house-donald-trump-russia-james-clapper/

or another: http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/05/10/rand-paul-comey-firing-dems-pushing-huge-myth-about-trump-russia Zero evidence. Fact. Not under investigation. Fact.

CBOEtrader says

total. idiot.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/08/politics/white-house-donald-trump-russia-james-clapper/

You're quoting a guy who didn't even know the FBI was investigating the Trump Administration? That's your inside source?

"Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said before a Senate Judiciary subcommittee that he was not aware of any evidence demonstrating collusion, but also said he had been unaware of an FBI investigation into the matter until FBI Director James Comey announced it to the public at a House hearing in March.

Talk about a total idiot.

CBOEtrader says

or another: http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/05/10/rand-paul-comey-firing-dems-pushing-huge-myth-about-trump-russia Zero evidence. Fact. Not under investigation. Fact.

Here's a tip for you. One senator saying he isn't aware of any evidence doesn't mean evidence doesn't exist. I'm sure there is almost an immeasurable amount of information that Sen. Paul is not aware of. Does that mean all of that information is wrong?

You're wrong. Give it up.

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

After May 9th: "How DARE FASCIST ORANGEDOUCHE fire Noted Selfless, Diligent Civil Servant Comey!!! Independent Prosecutor! Impeach now!"

This is SO delicious.

Still waiting for you to quote ANY Democrats praising Comey and protesting the firing based on Comey's competence.

More BS from the Trump brigade.

joeyjojojunior says

You're wrong. Give it up.

you, nor anyone else has shown any evidence to the contrary. You are having a fever dream sold to you by CNN and NYT. Believe a fantasy if you want.

joeyjojojunior says

Talk about a total idiot.

So...you know more than James Clapper how?

CBOEtrader says

you, nor anyone else has shown any evidence to the contrary. You are having a fever dream sold to you by CNN and NYT. Believe a fantasy if you want.

I have provided links and quotes from Comey. And, for the record, I'm not saying the investigation will ever find a smoking gun of collusion between Trump and Russia. Only that some evidence of it exists and there absolutely IS an investigation currently underway of the Trump Administration ties to Russia. I have provided links showing the evidence and a quote from the former FBI director stating unequivocally that the FBI is investigating the Trump Administration.

CBOEtrader says

So...you know more than James Clapper how?

Once again you can't follow the logic. I am not saying there is proved collusion. Only that we don't know. Clapper has been out of the loop for long enough that he wasn't even aware of the FBI investigation so him saying he knew of no collusion is not surprising. He wouldn't know.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/05/11/senate-judiciary-chairman-confirms-trump-is-not-under-fbi-investigation/

That debate is now settled. Trump is not under investigation. Read it and weep jojo!

Quigley says

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/05/11/senate-judiciary-chairman-confirms-trump-is-not-under-fbi-investigation/

That debate is now settled. Trump is not under investigation. Read it and weep jojo!

yeah... this isnt even a controversial point.

joeyjojojunior says

I have provided links and quotes from Comey

that did not in any way support your claim.

"That debate is now settled. Trump is not under investigation. Read it and weep jojo!"

I did read it and the actual transcript doesn't say what Breitbart claims. Did you follow the link? Nowhere does anyone say Trump is not under investigation. At best, it implies it.

"that did not in any way support your claim."

Of course they did. My claim is that the FBI is investigating Trump Administration ties to Russia. And Comey said exactly that.

joeyjojojunior says

My claim is that the FBI is investigating Trump Administration ties to Russia.

Comey didnt say that. You are lying.

It's just getting sad

"It's just getting sad"

Just getting? It's been sad for a long time and this thread shows it plainly for anyone who has any last remnant of critical thinking ability left.

The Trumpbots are forced to split the most ridiculous hairs to try to have any defensible position on the Comey firing. And argue against things that are well accepted facts.

Spill the beans...

joeyjojojunior says

And argue against things that are well accepted facts.