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fdhfoiehfeoi
2017 Feb 23, 12:59pm
Criminals would still come. They are the ones we need to stop first.
I assume you mean criminals on the run from Mexican authorities? If you eliminate 98% of the illegals crossing now, the criminal illegals who still cross to run away, will be pretty easy to spot and deport.
Dan8267
2017 Feb 23, 2:16pm
@ddshutlz You should not be calling any other user anything on this forum.
Shit, I've been calling people conservatives. That's the worse ad hominem attack.
I guess I can't call anyone racist, but I can make comments that are racist.
Patrick
2017 Feb 23, 3:01pm
Yes, please attack the argument and not the person!
It's easy to attack people and call them names without actually making any counter-argument at all.
No one benefits from that. All discussion stops there. Name-calling is exactly what got Trump elected. So many people are sick of its utter pointlessness.
Let's actively try to understand each other's ideas instead.
Strategist
2017 Feb 23, 5:41pm
Criminals would still come. They are the ones we need to stop first.
I assume you mean criminals on the run from Mexican authorities? If you eliminate 98% of the illegals crossing now, the criminal illegals who still cross to run away, will be pretty easy to spot and deport.
No, i mean real criminals who come across the border for the sole purpose of committing crimes. The US is a rich country, lots of ways to make money illegally. Drugs, auto theft, burglaries, welfare fraud etc.
HeadSet
2025 Mar 9, 8:38pm
"There are no people to come and pick this." Gee, where have we heard that before? I know. its "Now that the Yankees have freed the slaves, who will pick the cotton?"
MolotovCocktail
2025 Mar 9, 8:46pm
It's reasonably correct, since just over half of illegal immigrants are from Mexico:
In 2012, 52% were from Mexico, 15% from Central America, 12% from Asia, 6% from South America, 5% from the Caribbean, and another 5% from Europe and Canada.[4]
That has changed radically since 2012. Mexican birthrates dropped substantially in the late 90s and onward.
So since about the late 2010s the number of Mexicans crossing the border illegally has dropped substantially. Now the majority are from Central America.
Patrick
2025 Apr 19, 10:12pm
Let me tell you the dark secret of hiring illegals. It's not about saving money.
In fact, I hire them through a temp agency - meaning that I pay 2x per hour more than a regular full-time employee. That's right, every hour I pay the employee AND the temp agency. I'm paying the cost of two laborers for one illegal. FT employees get benefits, holiday pay, matched 401k, and the illegal STILL costs me more. Why? Because the temp agency is doing the work of falsifying e-verify and giving me plausible deniability. Okay, so why go through this at all? Let me give you an example:
I'm in charge of the widget machine. My boss wants me to increase throughput for this quarter. My biggest issue with the widget machine is that it's loaded to the hilt with safety features. Light curtains, estops, safety procs, deadman's switches and so on. Now, if I disable one of these safety features the widget machine will increase productivity, because it doesn't shut off when an operator pulls out parts. So let's say I tell Bubba or Tyrone, "hey I just disabled a safety feature, go stick your fucking hands in there please" they're going to Google the ACLU and sue me. Jesus is going to ask me, "is good?" And I'm going to reply "is good." And he's going to stick his fucking hands in there. Things will go great for about six months, and then one day Jesus will be a millisecond too slow on the draw and lose three fingers. Is this bad for me? No not really. Jesus doesn't really understand what happened to him. I can blame the whole thing on him actually. I tell OSHA that he disabled the safety features himself. Shit, I even have a paper he signed saying that he was trained to never ever, ever disable safety features! Jesus is going to get fired. No compensation. Sent back to Honduras. Do not collect 200 pesos.
This is what illegal immigration is for. Paying absurd amounts of money to sideskirt regulation and labor rights.
HeadSet
2025 Apr 20, 2:05pm
I tell OSHA that he disabled the safety features himself. Shit, I even have a paper he signed saying that he was trained to never ever, ever disable safety features! Jesus is going to get fired. No compensation. Sent back to Honduras. Do not collect 200 pesos.
I call baloney on this one. It will not matter who disabled the safety device. The employer can fire someone who did noy follow procedures, but once an accident occurs the injured party can sue and will likely win. I know a guy in Texas who lost his arm exactly because a safety device was removed. In Texas at that time, it was illegal to sue one's employer. However, he was able to sue and win against the manufacture of the machine. Ironically, the employer later used his attorney after he won to sue the manufacturer as well. The manufacturer was in no way to blame for the safety device being removed, but a jury will want to award damages anyway to someone who lost an arm. The lawyer took 45% right off the top of the award, before any deductions like paying back worker's comp.
Patrick
2025 Apr 20, 3:57pm
HeadSet
2025 Apr 20, 5:22pm
Maybe the key is that a criminal alien is not going to go to the authorities or sue even if he gets injured.
Not a chance. Too much money involved and too many lawyers. California even has special laws to make it easier for illegals to sue.
https://lawshun.com/article/can-an-undocumented-person-file-a-law-suit
TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter
2025 Apr 20, 5:29pm
HeadSet
2025 Apr 20, 5:49pm
We should allow illegals who turn in their employers to remain on a work visa.
Then the illegal would just steal another job somewhere else.
Patrick
2025 Apr 21, 11:21am
HeadSet
2025 Apr 21, 1:59pm
True, but maybe it's a worthwhile deal because prosecuting the employer would presumably result the elimination of in many illegal jobs in exchange for that tolerating that one illegal guy.
In that case, the illegal would have no incentive to turn in his employer because he would lose his job and have nowhere to go. Who would hire a guy who turned in his last employer, even if the employers were not already afraid of hiring illegals in general?
Patrick
2025 Apr 22, 9:06am
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114378317437182332
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Megafarms and other institutions are driving down US wages illegally. The criminal aliens themselves impose a large cost in tax money.
Both Democrat and Republican politicians profit at the expense of the public:
Democrats get more Hispanics who reliably vote Democrat.
Republicans get cheap labor for their rich patrons.
What you lose:
US wages, public safety, respect for the law
The more poor people there are in a society, the more you have to pay in taxes for social services and law enforcement, and the less healthy economic activity per capita there is, resulting in a decrease in material standard of living for all but the richest 0.1%.
Poverty does not just affect the poor.
How they rationalize their abuse:
"No human being is illegal."
How you should respond to their rationalizations:
True, no person is illegal, but everyone who entered the US illegally is a criminal so we should correctly call them "criminal aliens".
Criminal aliens have broken the law by sneaking over the border. They don't belong here.
Even if the criminals were actually brought here by farm owners, they are still criminals and should be deported.
Their illegal immigration results in no bargaining power for labor and thus effective slave labor.