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Thought everyone knew this.
Assholes will vote for her because stupid.

YesYNot says

Proof that Clinton is a corporate and establishment shill

Not sure there was any question about it.

YesYNot says

It's in her proposed tax plan. She's giving corps and rich fucks huge tax cuts. Have you seen them?

I guess your aim was to leave this hanging for a while and then add the punchline.

Rashomon says

I guess your aim was to leave this hanging for a while and then add the punchline.

Think about it. I don't want to give all the answers for free.

YesYNot says

Think about it. I don't want to give all the answers for free.

Well, I presume you were fishing for the type of responses you got, and were then going to point out...

1) For rich people who have benefited greatly from the governement and country:
Candidate A is promising a 4% surtax on income over 5 million.
Candidate B is promising a 6% tax cut on income over 5 million.
2) For the rentier class:
Candidate A is proposing a big increase on capital gains with discounts for holding long term investments (over 6 years)
Candidate B is has proposed to eliminate taxes on capital gains.
3) For the super-rich I inherited it all class:
Candidate A is proposing a 45% tax on estates over 3.5 million
Candidate B is proposing to eliminate any taxes on inherited wealth
4) For corporations, many of which have billions of dollars in off-shore accounts to delay taxes:
Candidate A wants to add taxes to prevent inversions, add an exit tax for companies that leave, etc.
Candidate B wants to lower the upper tax rate from 35% to 15%

We keep hearing that Candidate A is a corporate shill, b/c of x, y, z. What does that make candidate B?

Both Trump and Clinton have it wrong.

Advice for Clinton
Over-taxing a shrinking pie (US private economy) is like asking a hungry snake to eat its own tail for food...it'll eventually eat itself to death, but it provided sustenance for period of time. Don't go after businesses. We must have a powerful private sector in the US, otherwise everything else is moot. Reduce taxes and regulations on businesses.

Advice for Trump
Wealth disparity is just going to get worse with technology, automation and globalization. Continue fighting the trade war and protecting our country's interests as has been your platform all along, but you must tax the ultra rich more. By rich I mean when someone reaches a level where they have significant excess. To me, that's in the range of $1M-$5M in income per year depending on where you live in the country. Under $1M, leave those people alone...those are hard-working doctors, businessmen, etc. People making in the 10s of millions mostly likely had a lot of luck (and hard work in most cases too).

Summary - tax businesses less, but tax the rich more and leave the non-rich alone so that competition and ambition to achieve success stays in tact. Without that ambition, our population's drive will slowly die like what is seen in Europe.

#politics

YesYNot says

We keep hearing that Candidate A is a corporate shill, b/c of x, y, z. What does that make candidate B?

"Special."

"More special than anyone has ever seen in the history of everything."

We keep hearing that Candidate A is a corporate shill, b/c of x, y, z. What does that make candidate B

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One of them is a lifelong politician, with a track record of saying anything to get the votes.

The other is an unknown wrt to politics.

You are comfortable with the perpetually dishonest, lifelong politician, most likely because you have bought the corporate media message that Trump is the same, only worse.

errc says

The other is an unknown wrt to politics.

LOL. "Unknown."

Unknown views of the unknown, obscure candidate:

- John McCain's a loser because he was imprisoned by the VC.
- You can kill the president if you don't like the election results.
- Ted Cruz's wife is ass-ugly.
- Ted Cruz's dad helped the Mafia, Castro, the CIA, the Pentagon et al. kill Kennedy.
- All elections I lose are rigged.
- NATO is shit.
- Mexicans are rapists.
- "... blood coming from her whatever"
- Free speech does not include the right to criticize me.

Just totally unknown. Yep.

That quiet homeless dude who sleeps behind the 7-11 is also "unknown" - you should definitely vote for him.

errc says

unknown wrt to politics.

His tax plan is straight out of the far right wish book.

DieBankOfAmericaPhukkingDie says

TRUMPFUCK! has too much Russian mob cock in his ass to say anything but AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATCHRHRRHHHFHHGGAAAAAAA!

The garbled speech is a consequence of Trump's unique anatomy: born with his vocal chords in his rectum, he talks out his ass.

DieBankOfAmericaPhukkingDie says

Is this, like, a metrosexual thing?

I don't know. I cross the street to avoid those people.

If one offers you his business card, burn it, then soak your hands in bleach and alcohol. Also a good idea to avoid the toilet seats, doorknobs at CPK or Starbucks.

You can kill the president if you don't like the election results

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Is this for real? I can't believe he said that. Link?

errc says

Is this for real? I can't believe he said that. Link?

www.youtube.com/embed/u8ygeVnRxFA

You can argue that he was joking. But there could be whacko crazy people who hear it the way many of us did.

errc says

The other is an unknown wrt to politics.

Oh, for fuck's sake.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-releases-list-of-names-of-potential-united-states-supreme-c

Do your research. If you want to continue smoking weed and fucking with birth control and having an abortion if you choose, if you want minorities not to be hindered unfairly in their right to vote, if you want money in politics to be less fucking rampant, if you want voting districts not to be so rampantly manipulated by conservative obstructionists, if you want LGBT tax payers to have the right to marry.....check out this list of statist troglodytes. Unknown my ass.

DieBankOfAmericaPhukkingDie says

Whazza CPK

California Pizza Kitchen.

A restaurant fronting a bathhouse & sodomy/heroin den.

Basically, you order a salad with the vinaigrette, merlot and a gluten-free muffin for $165. The price is really a cover charge for entree into the shooting gallery and seamy down-low sex pit downstairs. Nobody but naive, desperate families from Nebraska ever actually eats the food.

Dude, you are on fire!

YesYNot says

Proof that Clinton is a corporate and establishment shill

Automatic Green Cards for Foreign Grads of US STEM programs, Silicon Valley salivates at lower wages.
http://www.computerworld.com/article/3089314/it-careers/clinton-wants-to-staple-green-cards-on-stem-grads-diplomas.html

Single Health Care Will Never Happen

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-single-payer-health-care-will-never-ever-happen/

Multiple Examples Pay for Access on Clinton Emails

https://patrick.net/Huma+and+Hillary+give+great+service

Clinton plans to astound with fundraising.
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/230306-clinton-plans-to-astound-intimidate-with-fundraising-like-nothing-youve

Quandary: Her Energy Financiers vs. The Democratic Base
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/08/us/politics/economic-plan-is-a-quandary-for-hillary-clintons-campaign.html?hpw&rref=politics&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well&_r=1

Clinton Foundation accepted millions from foreign entities and governments while Hillary Sec. of State
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/foreign-governments-gave-millions-to-foundation-while-clinton-was-at-state-dept/2015/02/25/31937c1e-bc3f-11e4-8668-4e7ba8439ca6_story.html

Totally Managed Candidate has Health Care lobbyist as one of her guests at a "Coffee Klatch Optic" supposedly of ordinary folks.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3040482/Campaign-staff-DROVE-ordinary-Iowans-Hillary-s-campaign-stop-including-health-care-lobbyist-training-Obama-campaign-intern-Biden-chauffeur.html

45 Times she pushed TPP as Sec. of State, including international visits
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/15/politics/45-times-secretary-clinton-pushed-the-trade-bill-she-now-opposes/index.html

Meets with Billionaire Carlos Slim in Mexico prior to Campaign Season
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-03/hillary-clinton-follows-christie-to-mexico-for-carlos-slim-event.html

"Lobbyists represent real Americans" sez Hillary
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0807/5251.html

And tons of more at:
https://patrick.net/Patrick.net+Anti-Hillary+Coalition+of+the+Unwilling+to+see+her+be+President

Contrasted with Bernie:

Thunderlips,

She's a centrist and believes that we need to be competitive economically. So, many of her stances can be called pragmatic or compromising. One could go through and argue point by point.
On health care. She's said that she would be for a single payer health care system, but that it was not going to happen. From 1948 through 1992, the Democrats argued for single payer health care, and republicans were opposed to it. Since 1992, compromising Ds and Rs came worked for a long time and came up with Obamacare, which is clearly not perfect. Maybe what we will learn from experience with Obamacare is that single payer will work better and we can move to that. Maybe that was the stepping stone that was needed to break the 60 year impasse that was bankrupting and killing lots of people. The reason that I have hope is that people will not want to rip health insurance away from millions of people. They will have to work harder to come up with a solution that doesn't do that. It's easy to see both the implicit corporate welfare within Obamacare as well as the clear benefits that some otherwise screwed people are seeing and the possible stepping stone it provides.

I could go through the list, but the point of the OP was the following. You don't have to go through a long list of policies to figure out the secret hidden ways that she is benefiting corporations when you can look at the most fundamental in your face truth. That the Dems and HRC are standing for a tax system that makes corporations and very wealthy pay a higher percentage of the tax base.
One could argue that it is fair that the well to do (including corps) pay more, because they receive disproportionate benefits from government programs such as the military, federal road system, trade policies, federally funded science programs, etc.
One could also easily argue that it is needed from the observation that all of the money is accumulating in bank accounts of the very wealthy while all of the debt is accumulating in public bonds and the private mortgage/school/credit loans of the bottom 90%.