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Just sayin that the ridiculous levels of hate for Obama are clearly not connected to his actual performance. The world did not end on his watch. It's something else, probably the continued erosion in the power and status of white people (of which a black president is a clear symbol) and the continuous shaming tactics used by the PC-police to get white people to shut up about their legitimate concerns.

He set in place the stepping stones for Israel to be annihilated.

Obamacare, while flawed because it does not really address the no-we-won't-ever-tell-you-the-price-in-advance nature of health care in the US, is actually a big improvement over what we had, mostly because the pre-existing condition exclusion is gone, and because it ended lifetime limits on coverage. Before Obamacare you could easily be bankrupted by any major illness, and now you have some protection from that -- and the cost of political cooperation from the insurance industry was the mandate that everyone have coverage.

I've posted before that poor people already had open and free access to healthcare using my wife as an example. Single mom making $25-30K per year...and yes in Los Angeles that is poor....enough so that she paid no federal taxes and got the Earned Income Credit each year. She had access to health care at a number of clinics in LA for free or low cost and that included preventive care and treatment for a wide range of items. Many of these clinics could no longer accept her once she had coverage under Obamacare and surprise...she couldnt afford the deductibles. The people you are talking about with the preexiting conditions and the ability to be bankrupted....you are talklng a really narrow group of people who could afford the several thousand a year Obamacare costs in premiums and deductibles, but did not otherwise have health coverage or would get dropped from their coverage.

And how come no one gives Obama credit for finding and whacking Osama when Bush could not?

You watch Zero Dark Thirty? Paneta was the hero, not Obama. Obama did everything he could to stymie the operation and pretty clearly has no fundamental grasp o our military, our intelligence, nor any of our foreign policy objectives. I'm being generous by not accusing him of doing all this intentionally. Paneta is a team player type and Bill O' Reily had a heck of a time getting Panneta to takke credit for the positive things he had done

clearly not connected to his actual performance. The world did not end on his watch. It's something else, probably the continued erosion in the power and status of white people

Also plain-old team loyalty.

After 8 years of peace and prosperity under Clinton, AM radio and all the office "libertarians" were positively livid with rage at his wholesale destruction of America, raping of liberty, and seizure of all our guns. You couldn't go near the water cooler without hearing the same clowns spew venom every day.

Oooo. That is racist. :-/

Before Obamacare you could easily be bankrupted by any major illness, and now you have some protection from that -- and the cost of political cooperation from the insurance industry was the mandate that everyone have coverage.

Well you don't have any protection if you don't have unaffordable healthcare, and you didn't qualify for the freebie job.
Look Millions of Americans even with subsidized insurance, have dropped their coverage because they are having to chose between eating and having a place to live.
You want more? OK I'll give you more, Obama has avoided giving any State of the Union to the US, because those are typical addresses of a concerned President to his concerned constituents informing them of policy he and his administration may either be working on in their best interest or against your best interest. But either way, that weekly SOTU was more reliable news source than Colbert or Stewart.
This guy doesn't give a crank, at first he went around the country glad handing his voter base with more division and mockery of the guy before him and his supporters. When his monologue bullshit sessions got tired, he quit making public appearances asking his minions to pull his finger.
He bull shitted everyone early about Shovel ready jobs and projects, then bussed Mexican immigrant labor in from Mexico to do those projects. Even here in south Florida many new condos are being built with migrant workers. This guy hasn't done one genuine thing since he's been in office every thing he does is a red herring. He promises amnesty, then makes a law that only a select few qualify but everyone else even those in their families do not. All of his causes he champions are for one class of people designed to make another class feel disenfranchised. That is his only genius. Your attacking me on Race is vivid proof of that. You're suggesting that he is so inferior that he can't be a piece of shit politician with his own set of negative attributes to be disliked without race trumping them all? What makes him different that someone like Bush with the level and degree he can be despised without invoking race, unless I was using racial epitaphs toward him, which I don't and I'm not.
I despise him no less than anyone despises Bush, you don't call people racist for disliking Bush.

I'm riling against establishment candidates and always have. Obama has been the biggest one in Centuries. This guy is as nefarious as a Gypsy yard service.

He even chose his AG's accordingly.

Ironman says

....as Jimmy Carter breathes a sigh of relief...

The worst President ever was Jimmy Carter. What is he remembered the most for?
The worst economy since the Great Depression.
Turning a prosperous Iran into a radical Islamic disaster.

Mr Happygoluckofus says

You would have to go back to Caligula to find a worse leader.

You're being unfair to Caligula - after all, he was born that way.

And I didn't just pick Caligula and pull him out of my ass, no pun intended.

A lot of what has been happening under Obama is not much different than what Caligula did to Rome.
Sure most LIberal's had good intentions and perhaps we needed to move the people's rights ball a little closer to the inzone.
But what has happened has been a gross uninteligent over reach and an insult to humanity. The Gender nuteral of our children, criminalizing Christianity while promoting Muslim's or at least having a policy that obviously imply that was the case, and not conerned about the surface looks. It would seem to many on the worng side of Obama and it's more than half of the Nation Pat! It looks like some perverted shit going on,

a perversion of Demcracy,
a perversion of tradition
a perversion of decency
a perversion of family
a perversion of laws
a perversion of rights

It's one huge adultered mess, and this wasn't caused by someone else. It's been caused by a gross neglect of common sense and morals just to score a win in the History books. Regardless what unintended conciquences may lie ahead. And I don't care how Bush did it, he's another entirely topic of equally fault and blame. My passion for Trump is a contract of trust, I am for him until he sells him self out. In the event he does I certainly wont start defending him.

Obama has been a fantastic president. Fantastic HUGE economic growth. No improprieties or scandals. He'll go down in history as one of the great ones.

He is I'm just still mad because Gore stole votes from Nader.

Obama will lose the title in 2016 because Democrats or Republicans will elect the next worst president.

Mr. Happy says: "..Gore stole votes from Nader."
Doesn't matter,the Activist Conservative SCOTUS & Jeb Bush installed G.W.Bush as President without counting & verifying all Florida votes.

Thanks for 9/11! Homeland Security, Unfunded wars,destruction of the Constitution. They are still trying to destroy America.

Ironman says

He was a virtual nobody until his campaign and getting into the debates in 2008

And by nobody, you mean a Harvard Law Grad and US Senator.

Ironman says

Osama was long dead years before the SEALS raided the compound in Pakistan.

lol---OK bgamall. All the dozen or more confirmed Bin Laden audio recordings were forgeries?

Mr Happygoluckofus says

My passion for Trump is a contract of trust, I am for him until he sells him self out. In the event he does I certainly wont start defending him.

Bullshit, you defended bush enough.

Ironman says

Yep, including all the pictures we saw of his dead body in the compound, his dead body on the helicopter, his dead body on the aircraft carrier and the video of his body being wrapped and dumped in the sea....

Oh wait, we didn't see any of those photos or videos...

Yes, and the fact that you didn't see pictures of a dead man means he must have died several years earlier.

Ironman says

Did we see pictures of Saddam, his two sons and Gaddafi when they were killed?

Saddam was captured, not killed by the US. Gaddafi wasn't killed by US forces. Hussein's sons weren't terrorist leaders that the US was trying to avoid making martyrs.

What good could come from releasing pictures of a dead Bin Laden? It could inflame the Middle East and potentially create more terrorists. Just to prove to idiots like you that Bin Laden was killed? I don't think Obama gives a crap what you believe---you would likely continue to deny it even if Obama sent the dead body to your house.

tatupu70 says

What good could come from releasing pictures of a dead Bin Laden? It could inflame the Middle East and potentially create more terrorists.

That is why they did not release any proof of Osama being killed.
Ironman, Osama could always show himself just to prove the US is full of it.

Ironman says

Strategist says

Ironman, Osama could always show himself just to prove the US is full of it.

That would be tough for him to do if he died years before the raid...

I can't disagree with your statement. However, if he died years earlier, they would have jumped to take credit at that time.

maybe you just don't like black people, and there is literally nothing he could have done that would please you.

really? from you? you're better than that...that's a clown move bro..

Obamacare, while flawed because it does not really address the no-we-won't-ever-tell-you-the-price-in-advance nature of health care in the US, is actually a big improvement over what we had, mostly because the pre-existing condition exclusion is gone, and because it ended lifetime limits on coverage. Before Obamacare you could easily be bankrupted by any major illness, and now you have some protection from that -- and the cost of political cooperation from the insurance industry was the mandate that everyone have coverage.

And how come no one gives Obama credit for finding and whacking Osama when Bush could not?

I believe what Obama will be remembered for the most is....
Healthcare, followed by....
Preventing a depression, and then catching Osama.
The slow and pathetic recovery is a major issue, but will soon be forgotten.

Mr Happygoluckofus says

A lot of what has been happening under Obama is not much different than what Caligula did to Rome.

Sure most LIberal's had good intentions and perhaps we needed to move the people's rights ball a little closer to the inzone.

But what has happened has been a gross uninteligent over reach and an insult to humanity. The Gender nuteral of our children, criminalizing Christianity while promoting Muslim's or at least having a policy that obviously imply that was the case, and not conerned about the surface looks. It would seem to many on the worng side of Obama and it's more than half of the Nation Pat! It looks like some perverted shit going on,

a perversion of Demcracy,

a perversion of tradition

a perversion of decency

a perversion of family

a perversion of laws

a perversion of rights

What tradition? Define it.
What decency? Define it.
What "family"? Define it.
What laws? Which laws? Tell us.
What rights? Which rights? Tell us.

WttnlWttnl says

What tradition? Define it.

Traditions are like people. They are born, they change, and they die.

WttnlWttnl says

What decency? Define it.

Just an opinion.

WttnlWttnl says

What "family"? Define it.

Extremely subjective.

WttnlWttnl says

What rights? Which rights? Tell us.

Right to have slaves? Rape and murder? Those ancient Romans were pretty brutal.

HEY YOU says

Doesn't matter,the Activist Conservative SCOTUS & Jeb Bush installed G.W.Bush as President without counting & verifying all Florida votes.

bob2356 says

Bullshit, you defended bush enough.

When have I defended Bush? I have called Bullshit on Obama shifting blame on every single one of his failures onto Bush.
BULLSHIT! I'll say it again just in case my intent is misconstrued.

tatupu70 says

Gaddafi wasn't killed by US forces.

Wasn't he... wasn't he... wasn't he?

Just how do you think a country full of peasants gets weapons to chase those crazy bald heads out of town?

WttnlWttnl says

What tradition? Define it.

What decency? Define it.

What "family"? Define it.

What laws? Which laws? Tell us.

What rights? Which rights? Tell us.

It's an American thing, something that a PAC money plant could never understand.

Say hello to Hussein media for me.

Thanks, righties, for all the susplaining!

It's all just racist though, like Patrick posited. The vitriole reserved for a man clearly more intelligent, gifted and successful as President than his predecessor is so discordant that it makes the detractors sound more stupider than a stupid guy.

Unless you count for racism, and to a lesser degree, hyper partisanship.

Mr Happygoluckofus says

Just how do you think a country full of peasants gets weapons to chase those crazy bald heads out of town?

Damn Russians!

CL says

Unless you count for racism, and to a lesser degree, hyper partisanship.

If disliking Obama for what it is, is racist, then color me red. Though I do have to warn you guys your PC shaming powers are dimenishing by the minute.
And when the political pendulum swings back you fuckers brought everything headed your way on your selves.

It's going to be depressing to be a Liberal 2016 at least through 2030. There will be at least a 15 year Liberal drought, and it's one drought I'm looking forward to.

Mr Happygoluckofus says

If disliking Obama for what it is, is racist, then color me red. Though I do have to warn you guys your PC shaming powers are dimenishing by the minute.

And when the political pendulum swings back you fuckers brought everything headed your way on your selves.

It's going to be depressing to be a Liberal 2016 at least through 2030. There will be at least a 15 year Liberal drought, and it's one drought I'm looking forward to.

Reading your posts gives me deja vu. They sound almost exactly the same as rootvg did before the last Presidential election.

HydroCabron says

After 8 years of peace and prosperity under Clinton, AM radio and all the office "libertarians" were positively livid with rage at his wholesale destruction of America, raping of liberty, and seizure of all our guns. You couldn't go near the water cooler without hearing the same clowns spew venom every day.

And he showed his immorality by accepting a blowjob from a donor's spoiled twenty-something intern.

Whereas other Presidents have shown "Leadership" by hauling away Shepard Boys to secret prisons and torturing them. Making those Tough Decisions.

tatupu70 says

They sound almost exactly the same as rootvg did before the last Presidential election.

'cept I don't have to worry about eating crowe, Obama is gone.
He and Hillary are political poison now. No future politicians will be vetted to make sure they are indoctrinated with the Obama/Clinton/Bush NWO.

That's a major relief. Hillary isn't running for President she's running from Prison. As long as she can stay on the campaign trail ahead of her investigators, then the longer she can go without answering incriminating questions. If She can get elected before the Sheriff catches up with her, she can envelop her self in the circle of trust of her appointed AG. I mean it's all just pulled right from Liberal swineball playbook.

WttnlWttnl says

Obama has been a fantastic president. Fantastic HUGE economic growth. No improprieties or scandals. He'll go down in history as one of the great ones.

April fools was 5 months ago.

Obamacare, while flawed because it does not really address the no-we-won't-ever-tell-you-the-price-in-advance nature of health care in the US, is actually a big improvement over what we had, mostly because the pre-existing condition exclusion is gone, and because it ended lifetime limits on coverage.

We need lifetime limits!!! Just think about that and get back with me on how that somehow makes Obamacare good, OK? Removing the lifetime limits is one of the things that makes Obamacare more expensive, and yes Obama promised that it would cost less. How does it cost less when you remove lifetime limits and you have even more people getting millions spent on them so that they can live another 2 weeks???

In so far as the pre-existing conditions thing, that might be the only good part of it. Now if Obama would have just done that and nothing else, Obamacare wouldn't be nearly as much of the epic failure that he is.

bgamall4 says

zzyzzx says

More Americans consider Barack Obama to be the worst President since World War II than they do any other president, according to a new poll.

He is responsible for the Sandy Hook Hoax, where no one died, but W Bush was responsible for 9/11 where over 3000 people died.

What about the Boston Marathon bombing? Wasn't Obama responsible for that?

We need mandatory published prices.

"A 15 minute/30 minute office visit costs BLANK"
"Drawing blood costs BLANK"
"Treating a broken ankle from X-ray to Cast costs BLANK (or at least between BLANK and BLANK depending on the complexity of the fracture)"

'Course, the insurance industry would HATE that, and probably the AMA also. It would allow doctors, clinics, and hospitals to compete on fees as well as quality, which would reduce costs in the long run, which would mean less justification for raising premiums.

thunderlips11 says

We need mandatory published prices.

"A 15 minute/30 minute office visit costs BLANK"

"Drawing blood costs BLANK"

"Treating a broken ankle from X-ray to Cast costs BLANK (or at least between BLANK and BLANK depending on the complexity of the fracture)"

'Course, the insurance industry would HATE that, and probably the AMA also. It would allow doctors, clinics, and hospitals to compete on fees as well as quality, which would reduce costs in the long run, which would mean less justification for raising premiums.

No it really wouldn't. People won't go calling around to find the cheapest anything. Why should they? Their copay will be the same no matter what the insurance company pays the doctor. Not that many people will meet their deductable in a year without being really sick so that doesn't matter.

People will choose the doctor their friends recommend and is in network or more commonly any doctor (if there are any) that is taking on new patients. They will go to the specialists recommended by their doctor. They certainly won't be sitting in the ambulance with a broken ankle calling er's for prices. Sorry, but human nature dictates against the idea of competitive pricing with third party payers.

Why would the AMA or doctors care? Doctors get paid what the insurance companies pay. They could care less if the patient knows how much that is up front or seeing it later on their statement.

Obamacare you could easily be bankrupted by any major illness, and now you have some protection from that

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That's beyond dishonest. You are at the least, just as likely to be bankrupted from a minor/major health issue now as you were prior to place

About as dishonest as any other Californian white douche, calling someone else racist for disliking Obama

Presidents are blamed because they represent the face of our government for many. Reality is they are puppets dancing for those in power, and if they dance well, they are rewarded(see Obama's vacation schedule).

I'll play the blame game, but in the context of history, Obama's nowhere close to the worst. My top six:

6. LBJ (for killing Kennedy)
5. George W(For killing everyone in towers 1 and 2)
4. Nixon(for the gold standard, and the war on drugs)
3. Franklin D(For Social Security and Medicare which totally killed his prohibition points)
2. Woodrow Wilson(Federal Reserve)
1. Abraham Lincoln(For killing states rights and millions of Americans)

NuttBoxer says

Presidents are blamed because they represent the face of our government for many.

Bingo!
And they bear 100% of the blame if they can't at least come out and challenge the detractors in Washington working against his campaign promises and trying to thwart them on every turn.
Very few Presidents lately have done that. Except for Obama and he only blamed Bush who wasn't an official of anything at that point but his back yard in Texas.

These Presidents have the gall to address the public and never once call out the fact that the version of the shitty fucked up bill that he is championing while blaming Republicans for not passing it, all the while with a straight face. Still selling that crappy piece of shit legislation that no one has read, the public has not been informed what was in it. So that they could inteligently weigh in on it. Every Patnet'er was over here defending the thing like they knew what was in it, what it would do, what it wouldn't do, and to what degree it would be effective. Like they wrote the damn thing them selves. And just jumped right on in, and started blaming GW Bush for every ACA obstacle until Nancy so infamously crammed it up Ameirca's ass unceramoniously without even reading IT!

The Business owners don't own that, they didn't build that... Obama DID!

Nobody involved with the ACA ran a race vowing to create it. Obama DID!

Did we need Time magazine to realize this?

Uber Regressive policies of this administration have not only rolled us back to the precipace of the Cold War and the Berlin Wall, but have restored all the rotten vestiges of the Bolshevik revolution and empowers the same hidden agendas of Hilters and build up to the Nazi cleansings.

Please tell me that I am wrong?

Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, and Obama are all as far free trade Corporate Cronyists that they could get away with. As was Thatcher (who sold British sovereignty to the EU), Major (who caused Black Wednesday in the aftermath of him declaring he saved the Pound forever by joining the ERM), Tony Blair, Brown, and Cameron.

A Bolshevik would have gotten you single payer national health care, not another state subsidy for the insurance industry.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/

1,400 people don't speak for the entire country. Polls are hard to believe, because they are simply opinion. For example, if people on this forum were to be polled about other posters, I suspect that some would wildly support their batshit crazy conspiracy theorist views, while others believe that bacon is the perfect food.

BACON for president!