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Gary Shilling is at it again: $10 oil


               
2015 Feb 16, 10:18pm   4,692 views  13 comments

by RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   follow (1)  

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-02-16/oil-prices-likely-to-fall-as-supplies-rise-demand-falls

At about $50 a barrel, crude oil prices are down by more than half from their June 2014 peak of $107. They may fall more, perhaps even as low as $10 to $20. Heres why.  U.S. economic growth has averaged 2.3 percent a year since the recovery started in mid-2009. That's about half the rate you might expect in a rebound from the deepest recession since the 1930s.

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1   RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   2015 Feb 16, 10:22pm  

my prediction: oil will go above $85 by the end of the year

2   mmmarvel   2015 Feb 17, 8:28am  

Well, there is a furniture dealer down here in Houston who is betting the first 500 customers who buy $7000 worth of furniture between now and the end of the year, they get it free if oil is trading above $85 a barrel on 12/31/15. He has done similar things twice before, he bet that the Broncos would win against Seattle in the superbowl two years ago and lost. Then he bet that the Astros would not win more than 63 games last year, he lost that bet too.

3   MisdemeanorRebel   2015 Feb 17, 9:43am  

Yeah, I agree with the OP - this $40 some odd dollar oil isn't going to last. I think it was political, related to keeping things calm during the succession of the next Saudi Absolutist Monarch first and foremost (Ukraine second). Back to $60-70 oil by the summer.

4   zzyzzx   2015 Feb 17, 10:23am  

Anyone who actually believes that oil could hit $10-$20 per barrel anytime this year is a moron!

I'm inclined to think that oil has already hit bottom.

5   mell   2015 Feb 17, 10:27am  

It depends on what the global economy will do. $10 seems too low but on a global slowdown I don't see oil going up much (it could go down further) unless they cut the current rate of production. But so far markets have been resilient.

6   darlag   2015 Feb 17, 11:38am  

$10 doesn't sounds too far off...

7   Strategist   2015 Feb 17, 1:17pm  

Mark D says

Gary Shilling is at it again: $10 oil

Where was he one year ago when oil was trading above $100? Most of these people are trend followers.

8   Heraclitusstudent   2015 Feb 17, 3:03pm  

Mark D says

my prediction: oil will go above $85 by the end of the year

$85 seems too high: there is extra production capacity in the world and it's not going away just because someone stops pumping. One can start pumping again if the price climbs a little.

Prices near $100 are the result of artificial scarcity imposed by OPEC. The change is that no one is in a position to impose such scarcity now.

$10 may be too low, but $30 wouldn't surprise me in the short term. And I think prices below $50 could stay for a while until low investment creates new scarcity.

9   Heraclitusstudent   2015 Feb 17, 3:05pm  

Strategist says

Most of these people are trend followers.

They are but sometime the trend is your friend.
People tend to suffer from recency bias and think everything will soon go back to "normal" - as defined by "last year".

10   MisdemeanorRebel   2015 Feb 17, 3:06pm  

The trend is your friend... until it ends...

11   curious2   2015 Feb 17, 4:20pm  

Three questions drive the price of oil:
1) Supply: how much production capacity exists at any given price point?
2) Demand: how many morons will keep buying SUVs that use twice as much fuel to go the same distance as a safer car?
3) market distortions: oil futures trade on a dark market where hedge funds have been buying long to hedge against inflation, thus creating inflation; will they stop?

12   Strategist   2015 Feb 17, 4:28pm  

Anyone notice how fast gasoline prices went up?
.50 cents in So Cal in no time at all. Strange, how slowly prices go down. Yet how quickly the can zoom up.

13   RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   2015 Feb 17, 9:29pm  

i hear most of the shale rigs will only break even if the price is $70. so i speculate $85 is high enough for them to profit but low enough to prevent the second shale boom.

does supply have to double to justify 50% drop in price?

i bought NOV and CVX in Jan when oil was at the bottom. i will sell if it gets to $85.

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