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West Africa's First Ebola and a Link to Global Warming/Environmental Practices?
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2014 Oct 8, 1:51pm 3,810 views 11 comments
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Rew
2014 Oct 8, 3:04pm
Not sure what the point of your complete dissertation? It sounds like you're surprised they claim the Ebola virus was passed from bats.
More fascinated by essentially what appears to be by all accounts an originally 40 million year old virus, living alongside vertebrates in Africa, that we came into contact with in the late 70s, and it has been spreading ever Westward since.
Sorry, to be more specific on the "2 year old comment", a toddler is going to be relatively more localized with their parents, and unlikely to go spelunking to come into contact with Ebola, so it means a colony of bats in West Africa, likely roosting open air in trees, is a good candidate for the source.
That strikes me as a more interesting difference here, than the fact that it is the widest spread outbreak ever.
From your article:
..."But the potential risks of new pathogens adapting to the human body are indisputable. And it only takes one."
Yes, it makes a sexy ending.
The question remains, does this current outbreak adapt or mutate or is it the same as the old Zaire one and can it be contained and eliminated?
So far, same one, and I think we have good odds of stopping it. Again, sad to say, but lethality is actually on our side, and so is the R0.
I'd be far more concerned if a new strain of influenza was sweeping the world killing off people by the thousands.
More fascinated by essentially what appears to be by all accounts an originally 40 million year old virus, living alongside vertebrates in Africa, that we came into contact with in the late 70s, and it has been spreading ever Westward since.
It was first identified in the 1970's. I'm sure people have been in contact with it a very long time without recognizing what it was.
If you look at Ebola as well, it has been "traveling" Westward across Africa by timeline outbreaks. Mt Elgon, Sudan, Congo, and on and on until we reach West Africa.
Zaire strain (ebov) was never in the sudan. It's always been in DRC/Zaire or Gabon, not traveling west (or east to Sudan). The Sudan strain (sbov) is different and was identified at the same time as the Zaire strain so it didn't travel west to DRC. Outbreaks of sbov have only been in sudan and ugunda so it's not a traveller either. There was a unique strain identified in ugunda, but only seen once There was another unique strain in cote d ivory also only seen once. So no ebola hasn't been hopscotching across africa.
From the article:
The type of Ebola causing the outbreak — called Zaire — is the deadliest strain. Until this year, it had been seen only in Central Africa, about 2,500 miles away. That's about the distance between Boston and San Francisco.
Hey CIC, you and that idiot curious george told me I was, (what was your phrase? geographically challenged?) crazy when I said ebola had always been 2500 miles away from west africa. Do you suppose NPR also doesn't know geography? This is the point where a normal person says I'm sorry I fucked up.
Tenpoundbass
2014 Oct 8, 10:54pm
Are you Sure, because this sure has the markings of Benghazi all over it.
Fuck Global Warming, buncha fucking Helsinki creeps!
Rew
2014 Oct 10, 6:35am
So no ebola hasn't been hopscotching across africa.
Incorrect. Ebola, filoviridaes, are moving Westward across Africa, likely with their host animal(s). You are absolutely correct though that Ebola Sudan hasn't done so. Ebola Zaire did. Also, Ebola has hopped over to the Philippines, and Washington DC, by zoological trade in monkeys.
Sorry for the imprecision and confusion caused by my general use of Ebola, but it is absolutely traveling Westward, and elsewhere.
It was first identified in the 1970's. I'm sure people have been in contact with it a very long time without recognizing what it was.
That's correct, and its unique proteins and genetic markers are found embedded in ancient animal DNA, meaning it has been around for a long time, but didn't flare back up into a human disease until we bumped into again (or it became a pathogen and we noticed it again). Yep yep.
So no ebola hasn't been hopscotching across africa.
Incorrect. Ebola, filoviridaes, are moving Westward across Africa, likely with their host animal(s).
Sorry, I thought when you wrote .
Rew says
If you look at Ebola as well, it has been "traveling" Westward across Africa by timeline outbreaks.
I believed ebola outbreaks meant ebola outbreaks, not related families of viruses. I'll try to understand what you meant not what you wrote going forward
crazy when I said ebola had always been 2500 miles away from west africa.
Is it 2500 miles away from West Africa now?
That wasn't the discussion. Dementia is such a terrible thing.
This is the point where a normal person says I'm sorry I fucked up.
Back at ya...
Back at me for what, CIC being his usual idiot self?
Dementia is such a terrible thing.
We're sorry you're suffering from Dementia. Would you like for us to take up a collection so it can help cover your Obamacare deductible and you can go get treatment?
You're sitting in NJ breathing toxic air, drinking toxic, water, and eating toxic food. You just don't recognize the cognitive decline that comes from that. Move to a better state and I'm sure your brain function will recover.
indigenous
2014 Oct 10, 3:00pm
Back at me for what, CIC being his usual idiot self?
Because of your comments on DDT, which were proven to be completely untrue.
http://e360.yale.edu/feature/the_spread_of_new_diseases_the_climate_connection/2199/
I'm really curious how we think we have Zaire strain in Western Africa. Yes, people travel, but a two year old as first link? I thought about how ironic it would be for people like CiC if global warming and bat migration could be how it moved. Good article above on just such an idea.
Here is some basics on patient zero as well as how Lassa masked the infection in West Africa for it to spread (Again, not some "super strain" but simply human behavior is the cause for why this train of Ebola Zaire has been more devastating).
http://www.npr.org/blogs/goatsandsoda/2014/08/25/343186293/could-a-two-year-old-boy-be-patient-zero-for-the-ebola-outbreak
If you look at Ebola as well, it has been "traveling" Westward across Africa by timeline outbreaks. Mt Elgon, Sudan, Congo, and on and on until we reach West Africa.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/goatsandsoda/2014/08/19/341468027/ebola-in-the-skies-how-the-virus-made-it-to-west-africa
http://maimunamajumder.wordpress.com/2014/03/28/how-ebola2014-got-to-guinea/
F* with mother nature, she will f* right back.
#environment