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RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks
2014 Jul 10, 6:13pm
To echo what Crazyman said, you don't know what you don't know.
question: does a straight man need to try gay sex to realize he's not into it?
Having kids, along with traveling the world, has been one of my greatest experiences. It's produces a lot of stress on the marriage/relationship and takes a lot of money, but all in all it is worth it.
You get to relive your childhood through your kids. For those of us with a great parent (my dad) and not a great parent (my mom), it allows you a second chance to make the right choices in raising your kids.
I have no issue with people saying they don't want kids. In fact, I applaud those who don't think they would enjoy it (although you really dont know until you experience it, and no, a niece or nephew is not the same). Some people aren't cut out to be parents, and the world needs more people that know their limitations. There are too many unwanted kids in the world as it is.
If all you want conceptually is to spread your seeds there is a far better solution, which will allow you to have 10 kids with no financial (or other) responsibility and legal immunity - and even get paid for it.
I'm talking of the sperm bank.
That is not at all the idea. The goal is to raise better children in the next generation. What Rin is getting at in the top article is how pathetic today's kids are. Well, get your own hands dirty and raise the kind of kids that you want! and have fun doing it.
When's the next baby coming?
Only god knows. It's not easy for us to conceive unfortunately. Maybe this will be our only child. It gets old screwing every night. ☺ï¸â˜ºï¸â˜ºï¸
E-Man, get your wife to make another one while she is still under 35.
Wife is the same age. She will be 41 in the next 3.5 months. It is what it is. ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜
Time for a new baby maker? I don't mean to sound callous, but it might be a good conversation to have with your wife: a divorce that would enable both of you to pursue separate sexual interest, and give each of you separate asset protection. Give her a generous package and treat her well as ex-wife.
If you are bored of sex with each other at 41, it's not going to get better for the next 40 years. Old couples who cease to have sexual passion with each other bicker all the time. I'm afraid, my friend, you are a very consciencious guy, who really loves your wife on an intellectual level, but the sexual passion is gone, so you are projecting the love onto your daughter. That is fine for a time, but in a decade or less, you will be resentful, and your actions towards your "ball and chain" will show. That's when the bickering starts. Been there, done that. Think it through and talk about it with your wife.
New Renter
2014 Jul 10, 11:09pm
To echo what Crazyman said, you don't know what you don't know.
question: does a straight man need to try gay sex to realize he's not into it?
I dunno, how did you like it?
New Renter
2014 Jul 10, 11:25pm
No, not every kid will follow his/her parents' vision. So you need to make more kids as backups!
Ok, now you're sniffing glue.
Reality's commend here has got to be the most ridiculous and irresponsible thing I've read here in a LONG time - and that's saying something!
Do you seriously advocate having multiple children in the hopes that ONE will "follow in daddy's footsteps?" That is exactly the same kind of stone age knee jerk emo-thinking that leads to overpopulation in the first place.
Having a pack of children makes sense only when statistically most cannot be expected to survive childhood - those days are long gone. Now kids survive - and have needs too. So you advocate further exponential population growth just on the remote possibility that one of your kids won't be an asshole.
If Rin ever does get the bug to raise a kid he can adopt or foster one that is already here. No marriage needed and he can have his pick of the litter.
There are too many unwanted kids in the world as it is.
That is not at all the idea. The goal is to raise better children in the next generation. What Rin is getting at in the top article is how pathetic today's kids are. Well, get your own hands dirty and raise the kind of kids that you want! and have fun doing it.
Again both fostering and adoption addresses both these issues with the population that's already here
Rin
2014 Jul 10, 11:46pm
No, not every kid will follow his/her parents' vision. So you need to make more kids as backups!
Ok, now you're sniffing glue.
Reality's commend here has got to be the most ridiculous and irresponsible thing I've read here in a LONG time - and that's saying something!
Do you seriously advocate having multiple children in the hopes that ONE will "follow in daddy's footsteps?" That is exactly the same kind of stone age knee jerk emo-thinking that leads to overpopulation in the first place.
As time as gone by, more and more pro-kid responses have become like Reality's, full of ungrounded ideas and so forth. My favorite is that having kids is like trying out one of mom's recommendations of a particular dish. Seriously, WTF. I'm at least glad that my mother never recommended anything of value, aside from eating one's fruits & vegetables. Now, I can at least testify that that metaphor completely blows.
New Renter
2014 Jul 10, 11:52pm
If you don't have kids, who will get our future tax cuts?
robots
My favorite is that having kids is like trying out one of mom's recommendations of a particular dish. Seriously, WTF.
Every single argument presented by the pro-kid lobby can be satisfied by fostering and/or adoption.
Do you seriously advocate having multiple children in the hopes that ONE will "follow in daddy's footsteps?"
No. I want all the children to pursue what they would like to pursue according to their own talents. However, early and repeated exposure to the family business (whatever the business is) is likely to condition some of them well pre-disposed and well informed about that line of craft (whatever it is).
The limiting factor on how many children in the next generation is not the guys, but the girls! Statistically speaking, the modern woman in a western society has 2 children on average, just to keep the population steady or slightly declining with immigration providing the population growth. That is her biological and spiritual destiny; if you don't believe me guys, ask Turtlelove what are the two most important items in her life, not herself, not her husband, but her two children!
Now you, the successful upstanding male citizen of the society, go forth and fill these two quota slots for her (the modern woman, not Turtlelove per se you perverts! ;-), so as to fulfill her biological and spiritual destiny, before she gets accidentally knocked up by some bad boy or pot-smoking, xbox-playing losers who do not want and can not afford to have kids anyway. So that both her and her children will be well provided for. If you shirk that responsibility, you are essentially relegating some "her" down the mating preference line to the losers who just want to have sex but are too careless or drug-addled to take care of contraception.
RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks
2014 Jul 11, 12:07am
below is the summary of the discussion thus far
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Every single argument presented by the pro-kid lobby can be satisfied by fostering and/or adoption.
How about try this one on for size:
Pre-natal care and education during the first 2 years are extremely important to the child's brain development. Now, would you prefer the child to be conceived and brought into this world under your own meticulous care with a woman that you are sharing your life and resources with . . . or would you prefer her to get pregnant after a night out at the bar or even when high as a kite with her "friends," none of whom ever prepared for fatherhood but all of whom just wanted to bang her? then you get to adopt their "mistake"? A mistake that you could have prevented to begin with by dating her and giving her the baby that she wants and will fight tooth and nail to keep!
Rin
2014 Jul 11, 12:32am
or would you prefer her to get pregnant after a night out at the bar or even when high as a kite with her "friends," none of whom ever prepared for fatherhood but all of whom just wanted to bang her? then you get to adopt their "mistake"? A mistake that you could have prevented to begin with by dating her and giving her the baby that she wants and will fight tooth and nail to keep!
Now we're talking about some White Knight Syndrome.
And here I was, thinking I was jacked up on caffeine pills.
WKS or not, Rin, you obviously feel some degree of obligation to the society as a result of your personal success. You have the capacity making "her" happy and fulfilled via these babies, or you can condemn her to a life of welfare motherhood misery, paid for by your tax money anyway. You are paying for her babies either way, just because of your own success. Would you not prefer to have some influence and supervision on how the kids are raised via your paternal rights? Let me tell you, the picture of welfare mothers on taxpayer subsidy, with even worse loser boyfriends mooching off her, is not a pretty or good for the kids. That's how the flash mobs and gangsters are raised.
Rin
2014 Jul 11, 12:48am
You have the capacity making "her" happy and fulfilled
Well, I told Alanis Morrisette, to take those *Jagged Little Pills*, and down a bottle of 'em with Vodka... sayonara.
I've got other things to do in life, than fix some dysfunctional ppl.
The women are not dysfunctional. Evolution made them that way! They want babies; they want babies with men whose gene carry the instincts for babies. So grow a pair. Baby making is hard work for her (it's actually a huge sacrifice on her part, much bigger than yours); she doesn't want to work for a dead end. If you refuse to make babies, the irresponsible badboys and losers taking advantage of the government dysgenic social policies actually would provide "better" (i.e. more viable) genes than yours, at your expense!
Importing bride, well, it may work for some men, but is no solution to the women who are already here and will statistically have her two children. Besides, how long do you think it will be before some enterprising lawyer seek out imported housewives to go after their husbands? Let's start with spousal rape vs. sex rationing ;-)
Can't be in divorce court if you never marry them. Without marrying them, you can't import the foreign wives. IMHO, not having a marriage but having kids with her and support her generously seem to be quite effective a set of incentive on the American woman for best behavior.
What you pass down is not the asset of a business per se, but the proper early education, work ethics, and early brain development (including prenatal care) free from drugs. Both myself and my father are renaissance men, so is his brother. His brother never had any child, which became a perpetual regret now that he is in his late 60's.
Rin
2014 Jul 11, 1:19am
What you pass down is not the asset of a business per se, but the proper early education, work ethics, and early brain development (including prenatal care) free from drugs.
Like I said, my work will be discovered, some 50 years after my passing.
As for the kids, when I'm writing my Magnum Opus, in my den in 20 years, I don't want that call from my local PD's office...
'Rin, we picked up your son for stealing Oxycontin. He's in lockdown. Please come down and post bail'
And yes, this has occurred, even in children from good families. I know a few. The use of opiate derivatives is now in the white communities.
New Renter
2014 Jul 11, 1:37am
Every single argument presented by the pro-kid lobby can be satisfied by fostering and/or adoption.
How about try this one on for size:
Pre-natal care and education during the first 2 years are extremely important to the child's brain development. Now, would you prefer the child to be conceived and brought into this world under your own meticulous care with a woman that you are sharing your life and resources with . . . or would you prefer her to get pregnant after a night out at the bar or even when high as a kite with her "friends," none of whom ever prepared for fatherhood but all of whom just wanted to bang her? then you get to adopt their "mistake"? A mistake that you could have prevented to begin with by dating her and giving her the baby that she wants and will fight tooth and nail to keep!
Every single argument presented by the pro-kid lobby can be satisfied by fostering and/or adoption.
Except the silly ones.
I stand corrected.
New Renter
2014 Jul 11, 1:42am
The women are not dysfunctional. Evolution made them that way! They want babies; they want babies with men whose gene carry the instincts for babies. So grow a pair. Baby making is hard work for her (it's actually a huge sacrifice on her part, much bigger than yours); she doesn't want to work for a dead end. If you refuse to make babies, the irresponsible badboys and losers taking advantage of the government dysgenic social policies actually would provide "better" (i.e. more viable) genes than yours, at your expense!
The silliness just keeps piling up!
If women were so fixated on finding a good father for their children the "bad boy" types would never have a chance!
That is NOT how it works and you know it. The ideal situation for such women is to spend their wild years getting banged by bad boys, and once the seeds have been planted to find a "nice guy" to both raise the kids and clean up the emotional wreckage.
Like I said, my work will be discovered, some 50 years after my passing.
As for the kids, when I'm writing my Magnum Opus, in my den in 20 years, I don't want that call from my local PD's office...
'Rin, we picked up your son for stealing Oxycontin. He's in lockdown. Please come down and post bail'
And yes, this has occurred, even in children from good families. I know a few. The use of opiate derivatives is now in the white communities.
So what. Life is a game of chances. If you give her the two children, there is a non-zero but near-zero chance of that happening . . . if she gets her two babies from some loser, the chances of that happening is much greater!
Keep your woman busy and kids helping you around the lab, and you will have much lower chance of that happening to you. Don't think of them as burdens, but think of ways that can turn them into assets to you!
The silliness just keeps piling up!
If women were so fixated on finding a good father for their children the "bad boy" types would never have a chance!
That is NOT how it works and you know it. The ideal situation for such women is to spend their wild years getting banged by bad boys, and once the seeds have been planted to find a "nice guy" to both raise the kids and clean up the emotional wreckage.
The answer to that is simple:
1. Absolutely refuse to adopt or take over someone else' baggage under any circumstances; so the hard life of her sister raising a child from a loser would be a deterrent for any not-yet pregnant woman in times of mate selection.
2. Give her a package sweet enough that she is willing to end her "wild years" before pregnancy with any of the losers.
BTW, stop complaining about the women. Baby making is hard work, and demands a lot of sacrifice from her. If none of us good guys can provide her with a package sweet enough, she would have to numb her brain to get on with the business of baby making with some loser who can numb her brain just long enough to get her impregnated. A woman's life is a life-long Stockholm Syndrome. Be grateful you are not born a woman.
Rin
2014 Jul 11, 2:01am
and kids helping you around the lab, and you will have much lower chance of that happening to you
LOL! A bunch of kids, running around in a chemistry lab.
I wouldn't even want certain 18 years olds in that env. One almost got a bunch of us, sent to the hospital, back in those days.
And what's a better way for kids to high these days ... something you should know ... sniffing organic solvents, found all over a chemistry lab.
Seriously, you need to stop with whatever you're on, they've made you both, delusional & hyperactive.
Of course wait until age-approriate. Find a science-minded woman to help you design separate next door lab to promote interest when the kids are younger.
New Renter
2014 Jul 11, 2:15am
And what's a better way for kids to high these days ... something you should know ... sniffing organic solvents, found all over a chemistry lab.
Not to mention all the fun things one can make in such a lab.
I'm surprised you guys are liberal. You guys see the cost of everything but none of the value. Sheesh, talk about a bunch of pessimists committing genetic suicide.
New Renter
2014 Jul 11, 2:21am
I'm surprised you guys are liberal. You guys see the cost of everything but none of the value. Sheesh, talk about a bunch of pessimists committing genetic suicide.
And the silliness continues!
It's not silliness. You should take a look at what downloading the reproductive responsibility to tax-eating welfare mothers produces.
In today's world, it is already hard enough for a woman to choose a smart, productive and responsible yet somewhat nerdy man. She is likely to be jeered by her friends as "uncool" perhaps even wrongly accused of "gold-digging." Then you want to reward her with genetic dead end. Good work, boys!
Rin
2014 Jul 11, 2:45am
In today's world, it is already hard enough for a woman to choose a smart, productive and responsible yet somewhat nerdy man. She is likely to be jeered by her friends as "uncool" perhaps even wrongly accused of "gold-digging." Then you want to reward her with genetic dead end. Good work, boys!
The only sad person here is you.
Some random guy on the net, a former engineer, turned into a sleazy hedge fund salesman, says that he doesn't want kids and then you, develop a brain aneurysm.
Sorry, but you're a White Knighter, thinking that you're solving all of society's ills, by impregnating a woman. That's a delusion of grandeur. Pleaz, "reward her", are you owned by these ppl? And "wrongfully accused", are you now her legal counsel?
Here are the drugs I'm on today ... one 200mg caffeine pill & one 16 oz bottle of Sprite. I'd hate to think of what you're on.
New Renter
2014 Jul 11, 2:46am
Now the problem is identified, what's the solution? You need to help increase in the next generation genetic representation of preference for engineers (and other intellectual and/or productive types) over pants dragging losers. It's a matter of survival for our civilization as we know it.
What you are proposing is eugenics. We've been down that road before.
Not a government-run eugenics program. The government is actually running a dysgenics program by taxing men like you and Rin to enable the reproduction of losers.
As for personal genetic selection, that women do all the time all over the world. Each has 2+ tickets on average (population maintenance level of reproduction); it's a matter of to whom she shares those tickets with.
Rin, not solving all of society's ills, but one problem at a time.
I'm just someone trying to put what I advocate into practice.
As a father of a daughter, I want her and her offsprings to have an environment where choosing a smart, productive and responsible man is not a genetic dead end.
Rin
2014 Jul 11, 2:55am
The government is actually running a dysgenics program by taxing men like you and Rin to enable the reproduction of losers.
Hello, we've all been paying taxes now, for about a century. And despite that, our tax rate is lower than Canada's or Australia's, our nearest cousin nations.
That's only because of the reserve currency status enable the US government spend far more than tax revenue. The chickens will come back to the roost someday as that exported cash claim come back around . . . and that's all the more reason why you want the next generation to have more middle-class kids raised with opportunities and supervision instead of the perverse-selection feeding the flash mobs.
Rin
2014 Jul 11, 2:58am
As a father of a daughter, I want her and her offsprings to have an environment where choosing a smart, productive and responsible man is not a genetic dead end.
Very simple, raise her in South America or Asia.
As that's happening, she'll notice that not every guy is running after her, and may develop a normal self-perception of herself.
Then, as she's approaching college age, split the time between the US and there. During college, she'll find a regular engineer and settle down with him, not thinking about some douchebag, who runs opiates for a living.
I do not wish to expatriate at this point; nor do I want her to be raised thousands of miles away from myself.
America is where she was born; it is her home country.
Rin
2014 Jul 11, 3:08am
America is where she was born; it is her home country.
Then you better move to Amish country because unless you actively homeschool and prevent her from meeting other gals and guys, she will develop this notion that all men should want to pursue her at all times.
Then, after she takes the first few nice guys for granted, the *taking for granted* M.O. will become a habit, until the first douchebag with the Oxycontin stash arrives at the scene.
Then, from there on, you'll see the rise of Alanis Morrisette, Ally McBeal, and so forth. The constant female victim, who's never conscious of the fact that it was her poor prior decisions, which led to those situations.
Then make more babies to enable economy of scale for your own home school. By cashing out the pair of tickets from more than one woman if necessary, being honest and supportive of each, of course, if you can afford it.
BTW, not all girls take guys for granted.
Rin
2014 Jul 11, 3:17am
Then make more babies to enable economy of scale for your own home school. By cashing out the pair of tickets from more than one women if necessary, being honest and supportive of each, of course, if you can afford it.
^^
New Renter, this one is for you. Execute pick 'n roll.
BTW, not all girls take guys for granted.
As they make friends and try to climb the social hierarchies, they'll learn how to do this. Sure, some of intrinsically strong character won't be changed but many more will.
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Ok, it's been said before but I'll say it again.
I see myself as a creative and intelligent person who, if born rich, would be a Renaissance man doing my own research, engaging in numerous activities.
Thus, my goal in life is to become independently wealthy and do the above.
Now, since many of my pals have had children and so forth, I'm absolutely astonished at how lame and boring these kids are. At best, they parrot TV shows and break toys, to the best of their abilities. In contrast, when I was a kid, I was dreaming of writing screenplays, inventing a lightsaber, and so forth.
Yes, my parents squashed my dreams and made me think of engineering, accounting, and so on but at least when I got started, I had bigger dreams.
But now, I've come to accept these facts. Yes, for the most part, children are lame and at best, one can hope that they don't get in trouble with the law or sleep in your basement for life. Those parents, whose kids are the next Alexander Hamilton or Buckminster Fuller, are the fortunate ones.
With that said, I have no incentive nor motivation to have my own. When I'm an old man, I'll be like Frank Lloyd Wright, constantly writing down ideas and working on things of interest without having a lifelong kid/adult sleeping near my study spaces.