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Homeboy says

drew_eckhardt says

My main point here is that Obama Care is not just a tax on the wealthy. Young adults who can't afford their own one-bedroom apartments are both too "wealthy" for Obama care subsidies and are required to pay more for their health insurance so that 50 something baby boomers at the peak of their earning potential can pay less.

I call bullshit on not being able to afford a one bedroom apartment on $46,000 a year.

$46K gross is $35K net in California for a single person taking standard deductions. Average rent on San Francisco one bedroom apartments is $2800/month. $35K - (2800 * 12) is $1400 a year or $116/month for food, transportation, and health insurance. That sort of arithmetic just doesn't work in expensive urban areas with lots of jobs.

People can work around that by living in high-crime neighborhoods which have half the average rent because they're not yet gentrified. They can live in their car literally or figuratively because they're spending hours commuting. They can get creative with flatmates with illegal basement bedrooms and pup tents in the living room. None of those things really fit the spirit of "living in a one bedroom apartment" with implied safety, average commute time, and privacy like a normal lower middle class working person.

Given a more realistic budget saving 15% of gross to retire someday without taking a drop in standard of living, health insurance, car insurance or other transportation costs and it still doesn't work too well with substantially lower (but still realistic) rent as in my working class silicon-valley neighborhood (office parks, mobile home communities, houses with the owners' landscaping service trucks parked out front) where a more reasonable $2000 gets you such an apartment.

Lots of kids in their late 20s and early 30s only live middle-class-ish lifestyles because their parents still help pay for rent, health insurance, car insurance, and/or student loans even when they're working in jobs which require college degrees in their major.

drew_eckhardt says

$46K gross is $35K net in California for a single person taking standard deductions. Average rent on San Francisco one bedroom apartments is $2800/month. $35K - (2800 * 12) is $1400 a year or $116/month for food, transportation, and health insurance. That sort of arithmetic just doesn't work in expensive urban areas with lots of jobs.

Then don't live in San Francisco. Duh.

drew_eckhardt says

People can work around that by living in high-crime neighborhoods which have half the average rent because they're not yet gentrified. They can live in their car literally or figuratively because they're spending hours commuting.

Sure, the ONLY choices are: Live IN San Francisco, live in a high-crime neighborhood, or live in your car. There are no other places to live in the Bay Area. Wow, I didn't know it was possible to actually be that out of touch.

CL says

Vaticanus says

Obamacare is just another tax on the working class rather than the elites like you.

Except it's a tax on the wealthy and medical device manufacturers, and a subsidy for the perpetual underclass.

If so why are young and healthy required to buy insurance they don't want? And who is really subsiding who?

Hint the people who want more of other people's money just lobbied to pass a law forcing the defenseless to give it to the powerful or pay a fine for not doing so. The defenseless are the young and healthy and the powerful are big insurance.

sbh says

Vaticanus says

If so why are young and healthy required to buy insurance they don't want?

Ask the conservatives who originally thought up the idea, you ignorant child.

That's an oxymoron you arrogant prick. It weren't conservatives who wrote these plans, unless you call Romney a conservative which is of course proof of how that description has been redefined and turned on its head. If Romney is a conservative so is Ralph Nader.

Heritage foundation is bought and paid for. Not conservative either and why are you such a smug arrogant prick. Didn't to mama teach you any manners? Probably not no wonder Dems have to force people to buy health insurance. Couldn't persuade anyone to do anything without threat of taxation cause their attitude is so arrogant and condescending.

Vaticanus says

If so why are young and healthy required to buy insurance they don't want?

Probably the same reason safe drivers are required to buy liability insurance they don't want.

freak80 says

Vaticanus says

If so why are young and healthy required to buy insurance they don't want?

Probably the same reason safe drivers are required to buy liability insurance they don't want.

So then let us buy liability insurance, rather then force us to pay 300 per month for comprehensive coverage on our 300$ clunkers

The dollars just don't make sense. I've done the math, and its a complete waste. That's what people like me don't like about being forced to buy overpriced PRIVATE health insurance from an evil PRIVATE corporation some of us enjoy the freedom of choice. Some of yous root on the descent into fascism, which is exactly what forcing citizens to buy a product/service from a private corporation, is.

I know its a tough question, so your fascist pro aca ilk won't bother to answer, but it doesn't change the fact that its beyond absurd

errc says

That's what people like me don't like about being forced to buy overpriced PRIVATE health insurance from an evil PRIVATE corporation some of us enjoy the
freedom of choice. Some of yous root on the descent into fascism, which is exactly what forcing citizens to buy a product/service from a private corporation, is.

I don't think health care should involve private insurance companies at all. It should be a national healthcare system like they have in the UK.

Unfortunately, that's evil and socialist, or something like that. So that's not even on the table.