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Your blame is misplaced. If you want to complain, direct the blame to where its clearly due: Your beloved GOP. Sorry, but this IS THEIR FAULT, but more specifically, its not just the fault of the general GOP, but their fault for not having the balls to stand up to the 30 or so "Tea Party" members of congress who care less about the health of the country and more about progressing the interests of their corporate backers, who backed the "Tea Party" to start with.

The best part is that I don't have to even say anything. The GOP is taking most of the blame for this and I hope this is a huge wakeup call. They need to stop letting a few select members of their congress push the agenda.

Secondly, WHY should Obama negotiate?! The law was passed by congress, and upheld by the supreme court. That is how our system works. You CAN'T then go back and try to repeal it NOT using proper protocol. The president did in fact say he was willing to compromise. But not by using the debt ceiling as a hostage. Get the government running, THEN we'll talk business.

Sorry, but the GOP lost, and if they continue to act as they are, they are only speeding up the process of making themselves increasingly irrelevant. The "Country-fried" era of the GOP is over. Yes- Over.

HEY YOU says

Excellent Trolling Post

Sounds like you are OK w/ Obama treating our veterans by locking them out of open air memorial without doors, and threatening arrest.... NICE! (hint: you are backing a loser)....

AverageBear says

So this is how our idiot President treats our veterans? Locking them out of OPEN AIR MEMORIALS?

Well, braying wingnuts such as yourself are so eager to make more veterans, particularly of the severely disabled kind, in pointless wars of choice, and then cut their pay and benefits to keep capital gains taxes low.

But keeping them out of a national monument is worse than that, I suppose.

America's soldiers: Is there any part of them that wingnuts will not exploit? Why not make them into lampshades for GOP donors next!

AverageBear says

Sounds like you are OK w/ Obama treating our veterans by locking them out of open air memorial without doors, and threatening arrest.... NICE! (hint: you are backing a loser)..

Sounds like you are OK the GOP treating our veterans by locking them out of open air memorial without doors, .... NICE! (hint: you are backing a loser(S)..

"Sounds like you are OK w/ Obama treating our veterans"

yeah, I got a bit of a heevy feeling with this veterans thing.

Veterans gotta follow the laws like everyone else.

Conservatives should understand this, LOL, though of course their main drive now is to discredit our government entirely now.

This is what this is about.

AverageBear says

Looks like Obama is looking out for the big business 1%ers, and not the working folks. Not very presidential looking. Not a good look at all.

the mandate is the key part of ObamaCare -- that individuals can get good group rates through the health exchanges, even with preexisting conditions.

Prior to Oct 1, Blue Shield wouldn't have touched me with a ten foot pole if I didn't already have insurance from them.

Starting Jan 1, I can shop around and move my policy to other providers, which are actually a little cheaper than what I'm paying now.

The employer mandate thing is a different issue that can wait a year since it doesn't affect the individual market.

HTH, clown.

Bellingham Bill says

Looks like Obama is looking out for the big business 1%ers, and not the working folks. Not very presidential looking. Not a good look at all.

Oh really? I can't help but find a statement like that horribly ironic. The Tea party is all about the 1% and their interests. Its a fake grass roots, astroturf movement and as we speak, those 30 tea partiers in congress are the ones holding up congress. If there is a more direct example of this connection between big business interests interrupting the affairs of government, then I don't know what is. Again. Your blame is misplaced.

edvard2 says

Secondly, WHY should Obama negotiate?! The law was passed by congress, and upheld by the supreme court. That is how our system works. You CAN'T then go back and try to repeal it NOT using proper protocol.

Are you saying that the law must ALWAYS be enforced in its entirety once it has been passed by Congress and even upheld by SCOTUS and there is no way around it except through Congressional vote?

Straw Man says

Are you saying that the law must ALWAYS be enforced in its entirety once it has been passed by Congress and even upheld by SCOTUS and there is no way around it except through Congressional vote?

What I'm saying is that the law was passed. The GOP has tried to repeal it 40 times. They lost. Using the debt ceiling as a means to try something that failed 40 additional times is an utter waste of time and tax dollars.

edvard2 says

Straw Man says

Are you saying that the law must ALWAYS be enforced in its entirety once it has been passed by Congress and even upheld by SCOTUS and there is no way around it except through Congressional vote?

What I'm saying is that the law was passed. The GOP has tried to repeal it 40 times. They lost. Using the debt ceiling as a means to try something that failed 40 additional times is an utter waste of time and tax dollars.

So you don't think that the laws, passed by Congress should be enforced in their entirety? I thought you suggested that, my bad.

Since we established that it's OK to not enforce parts of the law, why is it wrong to negotiate with opposing party on which parts should not be enforced for certain period of time? It's not a repeal, obviously, because the law stays on the books.

sbh says

The Koch brothers are like the Hunt brothers trying to corner the market on government.

and Obama has been very very good to them, too!

http://archives.politicususa.com/2011/09/21/koch-brothers-wealth.html

we're getting into cartoon-levels of evil here, but that doesn't stop averagebear and the other righties here defending the 1% at every turn.

Hope they're at least getting paid for this effort.

Straw Man says

So you don't think that the laws, passed by Congress should be enforced in their entirety? I thought you suggested that, my bad.

No... I didn't say that. You can't pass a law and then only partially enforce it, duh...

AverageBear says

Obama went out of his way to barricade these memorials from the veterans.

I saw him myself dragging barricades off of a pick-up truck and placing them around the memorial.

HydroCabron says

AverageBear says

So this is how our idiot President treats our veterans? Locking them out of OPEN AIR MEMORIALS?

Well, braying wingnuts such as yourself are so eager to make more veterans, particularly of the severely disabled kind, in pointless wars of choice, and then cut their pay and benefits to keep capital gains taxes low.

But keeping them out of a national monument is worse than that, I suppose.

America's soldiers: Is there any part of them that wingnuts will not exploit? Why not make them into lampshades for GOP donors next!

Hydro, you didn't answer the question. I know calling me names is in the liberal handbook when faced w/ a tough question. But don't you feel shame when your president 'locks up' an open air memorial to veterans, tourists, and anyone that wants to check it out? A monument that doesn't cost anything to run or maintain. Maybe Obama is blow this gov't shutodnw out of proportion? Why is Obama going out of his way to lock down something that doesn't need locking down?

AverageBear says

Ummm... How do you 'shut down' an open-air memorial that doesn't have walls or doors? The republicans didn't do anything on this one. Obama went out of his way to barricade these memorials from the veterans. Not very presidential. I guess he doesn't want vets to be able to access a memorial that doesn't require doors, locks, personnel. Not looking good or presidential at all... Obama is a disgrace.

Nope. You need to go back and re-read the answers you received before. Sorry, but Obama didn't shut down the government, your beloved GOP did. I just love it how when it comes to thing like this, conservatives will try and tack on these overly patriotic-drenched accusations as if they and they alone are the ONLY ones who are patriotic and then go on to use it as a lame example to support their incorrect accusations.

Like I said- you are placing the blame in the wrong place. No matter. The GOP is taking the blame big time.

sbh says

AverageBear says

Sounds like you are OK w/ Obama treating our veterans by locking them out of open air memorial without doors, and threatening arrest.... NICE! (hint: you are backing a loser)....

The country is facing another economic meltdown scenario and this what distracts you. You should remove all the shiny objects from your house in the coming weeks. You might trip and hurt yourself.

Nope. Not at all. Just choosing one of the many examples of our inept president. So much to choose from, it would take all day to get to them all.

sbh says

AverageBear says

the many examples of our inept president

Alrighty, then. Just be sure to look away as he tries to save the dollar and the GDP and SSI payments and service member benefit payments and Medicare payments and Treasury solvency and...... Just keep saying Benghazi and Death Panels. Be sure to keep terrorizing gramma. Be a good sycophant.

"AS HE TRIES TO SAVE THE DOLLAR!!"

MOTHERFUCKING LOLZZZx QEInfinity!!!

Forget about Obamacare for a moment--I'm not debating that here.

SBH, that has GOT to be--SIMULTANEOUSLY--the most comical and IDIOTIC statement I've read all month on this forum.

In fact, pm me your address. I'd like to mail you some organic yams. Maybe you're malnourished and your body is so far gone, you're starting to cannibalize your brain.

Yes, they're all relative SHIT.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-03/dollar-remains-lower-losses-as-jobless-data-don-t-sway-fed-view.html

You know why the greeks sell bonds?

Because the ECB prints euros and buy them. So does the FED and the BOJ. So does every speculator in the world, since they're so shitty they pay interest rates of over 9% currently. Then they put credit default swaps and other toxic shit on them and now we're in a bigger derivative bubble than ever before.

I wouldn't call nearly a trillion dollars a year in QE chicken feed.

What do you do for a living? Do you work for a big bank. Either that or you're some technical analyst-cum-Buffet wannabe who can't get his head out of his computer to see the forest for the trees.

Facebooksux says

You know why the greeks sell bonds?

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-greece-public-workers-strike-20130918,0,3566558.story

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2013/10/03/greek-budget-deficit-may-drop-below-3-in-2013/

AverageBear says

OK w/ Obama treating our veterans by locking them out of open air memorial without doors

It's a pretty common practice, that when there aren't personnel to police an area you close it off. It avoids random trespassers hanging out and making drug deals. It avoids the possibility of a geriatric falling down, injuring themselves, and there being no one around to respond to medical emergency.

I really have to wonder how many WWII veterans feel the need to visit this memorial RIGHT NOW. Didn't visit it the previous 50+ years and now suddenly it's a big deal to make your first trip Gramps? Do they make weekly pilgrimages or something? Do we bus them in from their nursing homes to give them field trips? I just don't get the necessity of this. An awful lot of visitors are not veterans, but just random tourists. I wasn't impressed by this memorial anyway. Normandy or Pearl Harbor, way cooler. Military actions fought in DC during WWII? Zero.

Vicente says

Didn't visit it the previous 50+ years

10+

Vicente says

I really have to wonder how many WWII veterans feel the need to visit this memorial RIGHT NOW. Didn't visit it the previous 50+ years and now suddenly it's a big deal to make your first trip Gramps? Do they make weekly pilgrimages or something? Do we bus them in from their nursing homes to give them field trips? I just don't get the necessity of this

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Vic,
Time to go to school... Do you think the average 85-90 year old just decides to head to DC? Newsflash Vic: These trips are planned WAAAY in advance. There are MANY veterans that schedule a trip to DC to get to see many of the memorials. Some have the health and $$ to do this on their own; some do not. There are also MANY tourists that have already planned trips to DC for this very same reason. I find it amusing how you and Bellingham Bill white-wash Obama's really sad decision to shut down these free, open-air memorials.

http://www.honorflight.org/

And for those that still don't believe that Obama set up the "Barry-cades" at the memorials, I give you the following links. it's plain as day that Obama's Office of Management and Budget has ordered Park Services around the country to close down, barricade, or block parking lots (even those on private property). We have such a small man in the white house...

http://twitchy.com/2013/10/02/barry-cades-confirmed-park-service-says-obama-admin-ordered-closure-of-world-war-ii-memorial/

http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/obamas-barrycades-cant-stop-wwii-vets/

Bellingham Bill says

Vicente says

Didn't visit it the previous 50+ years

10+

You really think this? Really? You think an 85-90 year old vet is gonna leave his nursing home and go to DC on a whim??..

Our veterans, much like the rest of the world's tourists, actually PLAN a vacation weeks and months in advance.

With you, i guess common sense isn't so common.....

AverageBear says

So this is how our idiot President treats our veterans? Locking them out of OPEN AIR MEMORIALS?

This perfectly illustrates the idiocy of today's right-wing. Do you seriously believe that with everything going on, the president would place at the top of his priority list "Keep octogenarian and nonagenarian veterans out of WWII Memorial"? But of course some reactionary propaganda outlet spoon-feeds it to you, so it has to be true, right?

finehoe says

AverageBear says

So this is how our idiot President treats our veterans? Locking them out of OPEN AIR MEMORIALS?

This perfectly illustrates the idiocy of today's right-wing. Do you seriously believe that with everything going on, the president would place at the top of his priority list "Keep octogenarian and nonagenarian veterans out of WWII Memorial"? But of course some reactionary propaganda outlet spoon-feeds it to you, so it has to be true, right?

YES. Absolutely. Finehoe, did you realize that of all of the previous shutdowns that DC has encountered through all of the presidencies of the past, that this shutdown is the ONE and ONLY time that the memorials have been shut down during a gov't shutdown, EVER. What does this tell you about Obama?

finehoe says

AverageBear says

So this is how our idiot President treats our veterans? Locking them out of OPEN AIR MEMORIALS?

This perfectly illustrates the idiocy of today's right-wing. Do you seriously believe that with everything going on, the president would place at the top of his priority list "Keep octogenarian and nonagenarian veterans out of WWII Memorial"? But of course some reactionary propaganda outlet spoon-feeds it to you, so it has to be true, right?

Finehoe, It's not just old vets, it's all tourists. obama is the little bitch-kid who takes his ball from his friends and goes home, when he doesn't get his way. No other president has done this during a gov't shutdown. It's clear he (via Office of Management and Budget) ordered the Park Services to close everything it can, legally or not. Get 'yer head out of the sand, boy.

Vicente says

AverageBear says

OK w/ Obama treating our veterans by locking them out of open air memorial without doors

It's a pretty common practice, that when there aren't personnel to police an area you close it off. It avoids random trespassers hanging out and making drug deals. It avoids the possibility of a geriatric falling down, injuring themselves, and there being no one around to respond to medical emergency.

Vic, you do know that Obama is the first and only president to shut down these open-air memorials during a gov't shutdown. You did know this right? I'm guessing no, you didn't. nice try though.

AverageBear says

this shutdown is the ONE and ONLY time that the memorials have been shut down during a gov't shutdown, EVER.

Another lie.

"A sign hangs in the window of an information booth at the Lincoln Memorial in December 1995, announcing the temporary closure of the attraction due to the government shutdown."

AverageBear says

Vic, you do know that Obama is the first and only president to shut down these open-air memorials during a gov't shutdown.

You make out like this is the greatest crime ever. Like some school kids or tourists missing out on seeing a statue is the equivalent of the Killing Fields.

The Lincoln Memorial was closed a little while in July this year, when vandals splattered green paint everywhere. I'm sure there were people BAWLING THEIR EYES OUT they couldn't take their photo next to Giant Abe Lincoln.

Who gives a rats ass? I don't. Especially as I am not planning to visit DC, or any memorials or national parks any time soon. You? You seem awfully worked up about this, did you have some memorial months-long mega-tour planned? Only memorial wrenched my guts was around Christmas 2001 running across a makeshift 9/11 memorial as I was traipsing around Manhattan.

The immortal words of a famous Fox News pundit who cheerleaded the possibility of having a shutdown:

"We should be so lucky! There’s one day we don’t have to pay taxes, anyway."

Sean Hannity got a lot of enthusiastic applause to that. But spoiled brats can't live with their "revenge" having any consequences for themselves, no that cannot be tolerated. Consequences and inconvenience are the just desserts of "those people".