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INTEL starting to take over the Tablet market for app processors


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2013 May 19, 3:46am   4,037 views  8 comments

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I have discussed/argued about Intel's prospects and whether it was a smart investment, in the last Intel thread here on Pat.net. Now that we have 3-4 months of hindsight, there are two upcoming developments that I find VERY interesting within the Tablet and mobile DRAM industries...

Please remember that I submit the fine work of others: in this case, from two authors who wrote the following articles found in Seeking Alpha. These are VERY interesting reads,that are concise, and help the average investor wrap their brains around these industries...

1) Alpida/Micron being saved by Intel/Apple - Why? Read on...

2) A rumor-to-be-confirmed that Intel got a HUGE win w/ the upcoming Galaxy TAB 3.

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1) ALPIDA/MICRON SAVED BY INTEL/APPLE - QUID PRO QUO FOR APPLE/INTEL TO HELP APPLE MOVE AWAY FROM SAMSUNG

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1440381-micron-the-electronics-industry-just-dodged-a-bullet

....."May 16, 2012 Industry sources reveal that Apple (AAPL) has contracted with Elpida (still officially in bankruptcy) for mobile DRAM that represents half of the output of the Hiroshima fab. We need to pause and think about that for a minute. Apple essentially bet the company on a supplier of an essential product that was in bankruptcy proceedings."......

...."So, another month of paperwork and Elpida is saved from extinction and will be combined with Micron. Can there be any doubt that Micron, Apple and Intel cooperated in the operation to save Elpida?

Micron, overnight, becomes the world's second largest memory company. Actually Micron becomes the world's second largest processor of silicon wafers behind only Samsung. Since a great deal of Samsung's memory capacity is used to support their own internal requirements, Micron becomes the largest merchant market supplier of DRAM and, therefore, the swing player in the memory business."......

....."If fear of Samsung mobile DRAM blackmail has kept Apple from moving its "A" chip business to a less competitive supplier, as I think, it will be able to make that move now without fear of memory retribution by Samsung. The Apple business will move from Samsung. The debate over whether the business goes to Intel or TSMC (TSM) will soon be over. My bet, since Intel played a big role in saving Elpida, to Apple's distinct benefit, they will get the "A" chip business with or without the ARM (ARMH) cores.

This is a huge and important event and the fact that MU, INTC, and Apple cooperated to pull it off will never be found in a business article. Far less important subjects are analyzed to death by the business media. Not this one.".......

2) INTEL TO WIN GALAXY TAB 3 APPLICATION CHIP BUSINESS

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1445391-intel-wins-samsung-s-galaxy-tab

...."Thanks to a timely post from fellow InvestorsHub forum member, ideal_inv, I was pointed to some very juicy information regarding Samsung's (SSNLF.PK) upcoming Galaxy Tab 3, the Korean consumer electronics giant's premier 10" class tablet. Android Authority, a well-known source for Android device news, found some benchmarks in the GLBenchmark database that unequivocally pointed to Intel's (INTC) Atom Z2560 (the second-fastest version of Intel's "Clover Trail+" Atom) as the apps processor of choice for the device. This is a big deal as it busts even more myths regarding Intel's potential in this space.".....

...."With "Clover Trail+", Intel's dual core implementation is more than capable in CPU performance within a comparable power envelope to the ARM competition. Further, the implementation of Imagination Tech's SGX 544MP2 puts it in the same league as other modern high end SoCs in terms of GPU performance. Finally, it seems that compatibility issues are likely a thing of the past sans a few obscure applications, but I am confident that Intel is working closely with developers to make sure that the native applications get recompiled to work nicely with the X86 parts. Thankfully, the majority of Android applications are not native applications, and therefore run on X86 just dandy."...

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So is x86 dead? Time will tell. But know this. Intel is covering its bases in the Tablet application chip industry. Windows, Android and potentially Apple will all be working w/ Intel for its tablet chips. To Apple's benefit, Samsung is being marginalized (as Apple's DRAM supplier) by resurrecting a mobile DRAM competitor with the help of INTC. And once 2014 starts rolling along, it wouldn't surprise me that INTC will have a chunk of the mobile SoC market, w/ its LTE modem coming out late 2013/early 2014, to compete head on w/ Qualcomm...... I can't predict where INTC's stock price will go. I do think we've seen a bottom of $19.50 - $20.50. If INTC is to be believed that their once idle foundries are now at 90% capacity (the highest 'comfort' capacity level INTC wants), I believe some good news is on the way for Intel....

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1   AverageBear   2013 Jun 3, 4:04am  

The Inflection point for Intel: The release of Haswell...

... And you thought Intel missed the boat in mobile....

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1477091-intel-tsmc-this-is-where-the-real-battle-is-taking-place

And talking about 'sustainable margins'; When you make chips that are 1 to 2 nodes ahead of the competition, you can make 2-4x more chips on the same-sized slab of silicon. So yeah, ASPs per chip weren't the same as the predecessor Intel chip, but then again, they are on a 22nm process, and as a result, are cheaper to make. Any chip vendor that users ARMH in the mobile arena.

2   david1   2013 Jun 3, 4:34am  

Woah, woah, woah. C'mon ITers..speak english.

So I should hold my INTC?

If so, as I expected. I figured the best chipmaker in the world would find a way into the mobile and tablet market....

3   AverageBear   2013 Jun 4, 1:13am  

David1, yes I would hold onto your Intel stock, and DRIP the dividends.

My reply was addressing the argument that those that think INTC couldn't thrive in the mobile chip market, saying that the profit margins that INTC is used to (55-65%), would be MUCH lower if/when they started 'trying' to make chips for cellphones/smartphones/tablets (ie, mobile market). However, many anti-Intel folks may not realize that the manufacturing process lead that Intel has over the foundries that makes it competitors chips don't have the latest technology that Intel has. See, Intel figured out a way to cram more transistors onto the same area of silcon wafer. That means they can cram more CPU 'chips' onto each silicon wafer, to get chopped up, tested and shipped to the vendors. THis means a lower cost per CPU chip produced. Intel also doesn't have to pay a foundry to make their chips, and they don't have to pay ARM for the licensing of the RISC 'blue print', like the competition does. And with the Samsung design win for the Galaxy Tab3, they are well on their way for more design wins. Is the Tab3 the 'low-end' device? Sure, but the 'seal has been broken' so to speak, and more design wins are surely coming down the pike.... I'd suggest reading up on INTC on Seeking Alpha's website. They have some great contributors that explain tech waaay better than me....

Here's another good article to get an idea of the 'fab-less' chip designers, and the mobile market in general..

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1479311-how-intel-could-rip-apart-me-too-arm-competitors

4   EBGuy   2015 Jan 16, 3:18pm  

Sorry I couldn't resist. From Bloomberg:
Intel Corp. (INTC)’s mobile division reported an operating loss of $4.21 billion for 2014, an amount that would erase profits at all but two of the 30 companies on the Philadelphia Stock Exchange Semiconductor Index.
The world’s largest chipmaker racked up those losses in a business that reported negative sales in the fourth quarter of 2014. Rather than generate revenue, Intel has been paying customers to use its chips in tablets, trying to build a market presence while it brings out new models that they’ll want to buy. In 2014 it got processors into 46 million handhelds.

That said, I wish I had bought some Intel in the low twenties.

5   Heraclitusstudent   2015 Jan 16, 4:12pm  

http://www.techproresearch.com/article/the-future-of-processors-part-2-processes/
"Limitations of current fabrication techniques and basic physics will soon put an end to processor performance/price growth as we have known it in the silicon/Moore's Law era. What comes next is still taking shape."

If so, Intel better run VERY fast....

And I bought them in the low twenties.

6   Tenpoundbass   2015 Jan 16, 4:56pm  

There's not much I can't do on my Android Samsung Tab pro 12 tablet that I can't do on an intel computer. Well there still isn't any native developer tools and DBMS.

7   Dan8267   2015 Jan 16, 11:05pm  

AverageBear says

So is x86 dead? Time will tell.

Every tablet and smart phone talks to millions of servers running x86 processors. There's a greater demand for x86 processors today than at any time in history. If that's dead, it must be nice.

8   zzyzzx   2015 Jan 17, 1:34pm  

Seriously, at these prices do you really want to buy INTC stock?

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