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CaptainShuddup says

That's because they aren't taking it with Spongebob square pants, and fudgestripe cookies.

Yeah, that should be required.

I would agree that people that are depressed should not smoke pot, if they have never smoked it or not used to smoking it. As for pot heads that self medicate, what difference does it make if it gets the job done for them?

I went through a bout of Dissociation, and at the time, pot only agitated me after smoking. Either that or I was smoking mean green.
That lasted about three months, before I started feeling normal again.

But seriously I'd take depression over Dissociation any day. Nothing gives you pleasure and you want to be left alone, but even that was unbearable as I couldn't stand being my own skin. I never felt suicidal, but it was a bad state to be in. I'd take ten "young love" heart breaks all at once over that.

There are different ways to deal with PTSD, but pills make it worse and talk therapy with a paid licensed person isn't better than spending the same amount of time talking with someone who isn't paid or licensed. Physical exercise is probably the single best thing, but that isn't always apparent in a world where the media and government are always trying to sell you something on behalf of their commercial sponsors.

A common pattern is, young guys running hard in a stressful environment get accustomed to eating and burning two or three times more calories than a normal person would, then come home and keep consuming the same number of calories due to habit. Their metabolisms slow down because they aren't using as much energy and because they're getting older. They aren't getting as much exercise anymore, so muscle turns to fat, so they start getting other medical problems and they don't always get the same - ahem - personal attention that they did at their peak. Often they start drinking, which makes them more depressed. Anxiety and depression are closely linked, so instead of recovering from their stress they add a new layer of anxiety to it.

If you look at the guys who do well, they tend to have solid pre-existing networks of families and friends, they continue to push themselves mentally and physically, and they don't get fat. If you look at the guys who do badly, they tend to come from addictive families, they spend too much time sitting and drinking, and they slide down a spiral.

Despite the claims from various lobbies that try to make you buy what they're selling, they don't really have solutions for sale. Their business model requires turning problems into revenue centers, and that tends to mean finding credible (usually also credulous) salesmen to push products and services that continue the problem instead of solving it.

CaptainShuddup says

what difference does it make if it gets the job done for them?

I don't think it gets the job done. There isn't any good evidence that marijuana use cures depression. There are other treatments that are more effective.

Homeboy says

There isn't any good evidence that marijuana use cures depression. There are other treatments that are more effective.

There isn't good evidence for SSRIs either, but that doesn't stop you from insisting everybody pay for them. Physical exercise is proven to be effective, and it costs nothing.

Homeboy says

There isn't any good evidence that marijuana use cures depression.

Nothing cures depression but time, if it's just a case of the blues, if it's more a chronic brain damage. Then not even Pills "Cure" depression.
I work with a guy that is in his 50's, he says he's been depressed since he was 21. He sits at his desk with blue LED lights shining on his face. He says that actually helps. It looks like a bunch of hooey to me, but he swears by it.

CaptainShuddup says

Nothing cures depression but time, if it's just a case of the blues, if it's more a chronic brain damage. Then not even Pills "Cure" depression.

I work with a guy that is in his 50's, he says he's been depressed since he was 21. He sits at his desk with blue LED lights shining on his face. He says that actually helps. It looks like a bunch of hooey to me, but he swears by it.

If it works, that's great. It's just that the evidence shows marijuana doesn't work that well as a treatment for depression. It's supposedly really good for nausea and glaucoma, but for depression, not so much.

Why are you so hell bent on depressed people smoking weed when there are other treatments that actually show results? Seems like a narrow view to me. Insisting that marijuana is the only good treatment isn't being any more open minded than others insisting pills are the only good treatment. I think that's the main problem with the "alternative" crowd. You just assume anything that you perceive as "alternative" is automatically good, and anything that's "mainstream" is automatically bad. That's actually a much more rigid outlook than the medical profession which you decry.

Smoking weed doesn't cure anything.
How ever Vaporizing it at controlled temperatures, is therapeutic for multiple ailments. Depending on the ailment. At different temps it produces different compounds. at 356 it starts producing antidepressant properties.
Smoking a joint or bong hits, you never get past THC.

Cannabis is made of more than 65 different psychoactive chemical compound.

Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) : boiling point -> 157C (315F) flash point -> not sure
Properties: Euphoriant, Analgesic, Antiinflammatory, Antioxidant, Antiemetic

Cannabidiol (CBD) : boiling point -> 180C(356F) flash point -> 207C(405F)
Properties: Anxiolytic, Analgesic, Antipsychotic, Antiinflammatory, Antioxidant, Antispasmodic

Cannabinol (CBN) : boiling point -> 185C(365F) flash point -> 212C(414F)
Properties: Oxidation, breakdown, product, Sedative, Antibiotic

Cannabichromene (CBC) : boiling point -> 220C(428F) flash point -> not sure
Properties: Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antifungal

Cannabigerol (CBG) : boiling point ->not sure flash point -> not sure
Properties: Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antifungal

Tetrahydrocannabivarin (THCV) : boiling point -> 220C(428F) flashpoint -> not sure
Properties: Analgesic. Anti-inflammatory, Antibiotic, Antimutagenic

Pulegone : boiling point -> 224C(436) flash point -> not sure
Properties: Memory booster, AChE inhibitor, Sedative, Antipyretic

Here is a good pdf about other stuff that is not here, a good read.

http://www.cannabis-med.org/data/pdf/2001-03-04-7.pdf

CaptainShuddup says

Nothing cures depression but time, if it's just a case of the blues, if it's more a chronic brain damage. Then not even Pills "Cure" depression.

Except maybe pot?

CaptainShuddup says

at 356 it starts producing antidepressant properties.

CaptainShuddup says

Smoking weed doesn't cure anything.

How ever Vaporizing it at controlled temperatures, is therapeutic for multiple ailments. Depending on the ailment. At different temps it produces different compounds. at 356 it starts producing antidepressant properties.

Smoking a joint or bong hits, you never get past THC.

What's your point?